Popular Post Edmilson 7,259 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 At this point, I'd take"Ultimate Editions" like the one from Phantom Menace for all prequels and sequels. Chewy, TSMefford, Tiburon and 3 others 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 No way. I’d rather wait 10 more years and get them done right than to get inferior productions now Manakin Skywalker, TSMefford, DrTenma and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: No way. I’d rather wait 10 more years and get them done right than to get inferior productions now But... but... It better dan nuffin! Giftheck and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 But is it better than muffins? Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I just hope I'll be alive to see the day. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alan 689 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 It's crazy to me that we now have the complete scores for Solo and Rogue One, masses of music for the various TV shows and a three hour(!) soundtrack for a video game yet we're still waiting for definitive releases of the John Williams scores. I'm more sure than ever that they are coming - I just hope they do them right! Arpy, crumbs, DrTenma and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Disco Stu said: wait 70 more years and get them done right Fixed Disco Stu and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Cant stop listening to this score...definately one of my favorites from giacchino. RuBen_Kenobi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Ok I'm going to say it I've always loved this score! I think someone mentioned before the Varese Star Trek DE's and how they opened the score up and I have to agree this does he same. Although yeah what is up with the random silence that others have already brought up. Now let's see them let Mr Matessino tackle the Williams scores! I'll wait right here. Tallguy and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 639 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 15/02/2022 at 10:52 AM, Luke Skywalker said: Thanks! Yeah that's the music i meant. Do you think it is intentional or accidental? You're welcome. Definitely! Giacchino used a lot of ANH material, especially for the Death Star and the Empire, so there's no doubt it was a callback, what do you think? Wish the digital release hadn't dropped before the Mondo, if I'd known it was coming could of kept some money aside to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 The vinyl release is a soap in the face to score collectors the world over. This could've been a great CD release last year for the fifth anniversary of Rogue One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Yes, i also think it is intentional. The is more cleverness in his williams quotations than people give credit to,.imho. They just center around that force theme rendition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Any clue what this digital error sound could be and is there any way to rectify it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 What are you referring to? And that youtube embed is a fan edit posted to youtube 5 years ago, not the new album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I timecoded it a bit early so you could listen for it. It exactly is heard at 1:48 and is heard in any blu-ray rip that I've come across. I know it's not featured on any album as it's unreleased but still doesn't explain why there is such a strange digital error in the blu-ray audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Ah, I understand you now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,271 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Shame they didn't release a proper version with the expansion... it sounds pretty bad in the BD rip. Maybe the UHD version is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 17/02/2022 at 8:44 AM, Luke Skywalker said: Yes, i also think it is intentional. The is more cleverness in his williams quotations than people give credit to,.imho. They just center around that force theme rendition. I love the use of the Death Star motif and the Imperial March in this score. I think he did a great job using Williams's material from the OT. I also really like Jyn's Theme and don't really have a problem with his Imperial Theme although it can sound a bit overwrought at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I just noticed that his imperial theme just fits in with the imperial themes from TIE Fighter and Dark Forces games. Imperial like music for other characters different from Vader-Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Lockdown said: I timecoded it a bit early so you could listen for it. It exactly is heard at 1:48 and is heard in any blu-ray rip that I've come across. I know it's not featured on any album as it's unreleased but still doesn't explain why there is such a strange digital error in the blu-ray audio If I recall correctly I believe it was a xylophone hit that was prominent on one of the channels, not a digital error. Could be a performance error though. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: If I recall correctly I believe it was a xylophone hit that was prominent on one of the channels, not a digital error. Could be a performance error though. yeah sounds like a mallet instrument doubling one of the woodwind runs. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I know I will be crucified for saying this but Krennic's theme is more fun than Kylo Ren's theme. It might not be better music necessarily but the melodic line is more engaging. In a somewhat goofy way, sure, but still. I was never a big fan of Ren's theme. And no, I don't mean the overblown Imperial March-like theme that opens and closes The Imperial Suite. I mean the B-theme as heard in the middle of that track (around 1:07). Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, crocodile said: I know I will be crucified for saying this but Krennic's theme is more fun than Kylo Ren's theme. I'll agree. It's a great theme. Very Nazi. I have to say that my estimation of Kylo's theme went up when my kids were in the Jedi Academy at Disneyland about six months after TFA. Those six notes played and all the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It might not be as much fun to hum as The Imperial March (or G's Empire music) but something about it manages to get wired directly to your brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Isn't his theme 5 notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted February 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jay said: Isn't his theme 5 notes? Nah man, it's 6... kylo's theme.mp3 Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Brando, j39m and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jay said: Isn't his theme 5 notes? I knew I was going to mess that up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Tallguy said: I'll agree. It's a great theme. Very Nazi. I have to say that my estimation of Kylo's theme went up when my kids were in the Jedi Academy at Disneyland about six months after TFA. Those six notes played and all the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It might not be as much fun to hum as The Imperial March (or G's Empire music) but something about it manages to get wired directly to your brain! When I heard Kylo's theme for the first time as his ship appeared, I was instantly like, "That's gotta be Kylo's theme." Immediate communication of his identity as the primary antagonist. In my head, it has lyrics: "I'm Kylo Ren, bitch...I'm Kylo Ren." Krennic's theme is indeed more of a cartoon Nazi sort of thing, but plenty effective. I'd also say it's one of Giacchino's least derivative R1 themes. His Imperial theme is good fun, too, until that second part that's only heard in the suite. It somehow manages to be both insipid and overwrought. Anyway, I've bought and listened to the expanded edition. Glad to have it. It doesn't change the character of the score; the OST captures that just fine. It still can't hold a candle to Williams's SW scores. Fun if I'm in the right mood, though. And I'm really glad to have "There Are Spies Everywhere"; that cue stands out in the film and I was surprised it didn't make it into the OST or FYC. Brando and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 To me the opening of the film sounds very williams, could work very well after the classic main title crawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Nah man, it's 6... kylo's theme.mp3 393.96 kB · 123 downloads What a nice performance. Should we expect you to play in march with the VPO? Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Datameister said: In my head, it has lyrics: "I'm Kylo Ren, bitch...I'm Kylo Ren." it will be hard to top this post today Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,397 Posted February 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2022 Listened to it with @Chewyand @crypto. Well, it's a real mixed bag. There are cues where he tries to go big and fails, cues where he tries and succeeds. Cues where he tries to sound SWey and fails, cues like He's Here For Us where he succeeds in creating something with a mood and tension. Cues where he tries to directly copy JW and fails miserably, cues like AT-ACT Assault's middle where he really succeeds. Cues where he goes small and ends up being dull, cues where he goes small and succeeds. Cues where he attempts to do action and it ends up sounding like he told an AI to fill it in between these story beats with no regards to emotional or musical shape like Confrontation on Eadu, there are cues where he attempts to do action and really succeeds in creating something with shape and form, like AT-ACT again, even if it's Hothy. Some of the brass sounds godawful, some of it sounds all right. The final battle starts off really strong, then completely falls apart and just gives up by the end, not helped by quiet breaks and being split up into smaller cues. And on that and the 20 second breaks and the lack of credits: sure I guess we could edit it ourselves and join cues if we bought it digitally or pirated it, and rip the bluray and shit, and the vast majority will still consume it on streaming or the ones who got it on vinyl and get a definitely inferior experience and somewhat of a misrepresentation of a score due to this complete thoughtlessness, this straight session folder dump instead of a produced expansion, can just get fucked, right? So, overall, a puzzlingly mixed experience... but I like puzzles enough and the highs like Your Father, Good Luck Little Sister, Rebellions Are Built on Hope etc. are high enough that one weekend when I'm real bored I'll definitely assemble some great listenable playlist from it. Chewy, Smeltington, bollemanneke and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Its sad that we will never hear either the Desplat soundtrack, or the probably less rushed if he'd been a composer from the start Giacchino soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,220 Posted February 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2022 37 minutes ago, Holko said: Listened to it with @Chewyand @crypto. Well, it's a real mixed bag. There are cues where he tries to go big and fails, cues where he tries and succeeds. Cues where he tries to sound SWey and fails, cues like He's Here For Us where he succeeds in creating something with a mood and tension. Cues where he tries to directly copy JW and fails miserably, cues like AT-ACT Assault's middle where he really succeeds. Cues where he goes small and ends up being dull, cues where he goes small and succeeds. Cues where he attempts to do action and it ends up sounding like he told an AI to fill it in between these story beats with no regards to emotional or musical shape like Confrontation on Eadu, there are cues where he attempts to do action and really succeeds in creating something with shape and form, like AT-ACT again, even if it's Hothy. Some of the brass sounds godawful, some of it sounds all right. The final battle starts off really strong, then completely falls apart and just gives up by the end, not helped by quiet breaks and being split up into smaller cues. And on that and the 20 second breaks and the lack of credits: sure I guess we could edit it ourselves and join cues if we bought it digitally or pirated it, and rip the bluray and shit, and the vast majority will still consume it on streaming or the ones who got it on vinyl and get a definitely inferior experience and somewhat of a misrepresentation of a score due to this complete thoughtlessness, this straight session folder dump instead of a produced expansion, can just get fucked, right? So, overall, a puzzlingly mixed experience... but I like puzzles enough and the highs like Your Father, Good Luck Little Sister, Rebellions Are Built on Hope etc. are high enough that one weekend when I'm real bored I'll definitely assemble some great listenable playlist from it. Good review! I think it sums up some of my feelings about this score. It has a fair number of decent parts but a lot of it is a bit clunky, thematically, as well as orchestration wise. However, the key thing it lacks (for me) are the strong narrative arcs of the JW scores, both across the score itself but also within cues. Too often it's just scoring the film moment by moment and lacks that fluidity JW manages to make sound so effortless. This is also why I still find Solo's score significantly better than Rogue One; JP manages to write with much greater fluency and with the kind of strong musical architecture that we've come to expect from the main Star Wars feature scores. I've only seen each film once so I don't know one better or the other, but I can see each scene/action sequence for Solo in my head (or at least get a strong impression thereof) as the music plays in a way that I really don't from the Rogue One score. And it's not even because I think Solo is a better film or am more familiar with it. Solo is both more recent and (for my money) weaker as a movie compared to Rogue One. It maybe that Solo lent itself better to music that could convey the story through music than Rogue One, but I'm not really sure that's the case - Rogue One is perhaps more compelling in many ways. Of course, JP having a lot longer to write the music undoubtedly helped, but plenty of other composers have written under a time squeeze and come up with narratively strong music (Broughton's Lost in Space or Waterworld by JNH spring to mind). JP managed the careful balancing act of moving forward the golden age Star Wars sound established by JW with some more contemporary touches but without going too far with it (even though I know not everyone likes the occasionally manic percussion loops). Rogue One is more like someone doing a clunky impression of a Star Wars score. I get what he was trying to do writing proto versions of some of the main themes but they come across more like awkward paraphrases than a theme that stands on its own but slowly and cleverly develops into the Imperial motif or the main theme or whatever. That all probably sounds too negative... I still enjoy Rogue One and am enjoying this expanded version, despite the crappy production from Disney (isn't it lucky we all have free music editing software to fix this shit?!) but I think Giacchino did a much better JW impression with his Medal of Honour scores and JP did a much better job of moving forward the Star Wars sound without losing sight of what made it great in the first place; complex music with great themes that tells the story. Holko, A. A. Ron, Tydirium and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Finished it this afternoon. I will continue to say it till my dying day, the sound quality SUCKS. I have no idea why anyone would want an orchestra to sound this shitty. Anyway, it's been six years since I've edited cues to improve the listening experience and I certainly have no interest in re-starting because of this score. Some bits are nice, but otherwise it's just mediocre. And yes, the missing credits really ruined the end, maybe especially because they then included bits of them in those alternates. Either include them or not. Happy enough this got released though. crumbs and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 100 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I wonder how these discussions were going to look like if Powell had been brought on to score Rouge One at the 11th hour, and Giacchino had worked on Solo afterwards, obviously with more time, and "lessons from others' mistakes" available to him there. Before you jump to conclusions, I am absolutely not intending any negativity here. It's just interesting to picture the alternate. Like: How was MG going to adapt and weave JW's theme onto his version of Solo? (If the Jurassic World scores are anything to go by, MG is good at that.) What were Powell's themes for Rogue One - that JW didn't write a theme for - going to be like? Could Powell have been more successful at crafting a score for that troubled production? With Solo, could MG have delivered the SW score that he could genuinely be proud of? (He sure is acting like he is proud of Rogue One, but I think that's more because of the achievement - the fact that he got the gig and survived the gig despite all the challenges - rather than the quality of the work he delivered) and most importantly, were we going to get these deluxe sets at all? Arpy and j39m 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Speed racer specially and maybe the mission impossibles could be sn example of MG using a previous theme and interveawing it in a full score. I really think he makes speed racer theme his own with that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I'm not a fan of the way Gia uses the force theme in this score. That said, I do think he's capable of using other composers themes well. The Mission Impossible theme at the end of "Mood India" for example is pure magic. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I liked how he used the Jurassic Park fanfare at the end of "As the Jurassic World Turns". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,838 Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 I think Gia has a far better SW score in him that what he wrote for Rogue One. He was under tremendous pressure and time constraint. It's hard to believe that he didn't have a team of ghost writers working to finish Rogue One on time. I hope one day Gia gets another opportunity to score a SW film under better circumstances and more time. Tiburon, Richard Penna, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 John Powell - the artist who did the artwork for the Mondo vinyl, not the composer - tweeted out high res pics of it https://twitter.com/JohnPowellDraws/status/1496218963486941188 TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 972 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I think to add on to slapped together nature of this release: isn't it strange that this doesn't have a 24bit copy available? In every site that offers Hi-Res versions, the expanded edition isn't present. It mainly stands out to me because the deluxe for Solo has one, so that just begs to question as to what exact source they worked off of for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I agree the lack of a high res version on the sites that sell them is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Thank God they at least released this in lossless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Thank God they at least released this in lossless! Is the 20 seconds of silence in lossless too? KittBash and Trnsfrmr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Jack 9 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Is track 7 the only track on the new expanded edition with random large gaps of silence in the middle, or are there others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, Panama Jack said: Is track 7 the only track on the new expanded edition with random large gaps of silence in the middle, or are there others? There are only 2 tracks with lengthy silences in the middle: 07. Mission to Jedha 27. No Trust Among Rebels Panama Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,277 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Any information if there is ever going to be a CD release of this exansion? Or of Powel's Solo Expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,709 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Don’t hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Extremely unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Has anyone asked Intrada about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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