Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Nope. It just sounded like Giacchino praise from stefan. That's where i got lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Nah he doesn't exactly hate Giacchino you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ha! I knew you'd be back in the Rogue One threads, Lee! Contrary to what seems to be a commonly held belief, I don't hate Gia. I'm just not very impressed by his music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's dying down again now, so it's slim pickins and we gotta take what we can get. General Discussion that is; not Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 You'll be back in the Tolkien subforum before you know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 On 12/01/2017 at 5:25 AM, DominicCobb said: reminiscent of "Into the Trap"? Shark Cage Fugue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 March Of The Resistance times TEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Quintus said: Shark Cage Fugue? Yeah, it's very similar, close to rip off territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Presumably someone here already made the comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Quintus said: Shark Cage Fugue? Oh cool, I hadn't even thought of that. I had mainly been thinking of the track as a bargain bin March of the Resistance (with that specific melody reminding me of Into the Trap). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Our BS Detective has cracked the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Woah! DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,901 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Will said: Woah! Uh, no! Gia is doing a mediant major 3rd harmonic interval (sci-fi staple). G minor -> B minor. In G minor, the 3rd is B flat so with Gia it is a major 3rd interval. I say it is effective and it works, but it is all over sci fi and fantasy. Frequently used in Lord of the Rings and Star Treks regardless of the composer. This can be considered a cliche. In Imperial March, the harmony is G minor to a flat six (e flat minor) with an A. In E flat minor, the A should be A flat, but JW uses a raised fourth(A natural) to give it a very dissonant color against the B flat. There are similarities between what Gia and JW did but quite a few differences to say he "hid" the march in "hope". I think a more accurate description would be to say that Gia lived in the Star Wars soundverse and incorporated sonic elements in to his score. Will and curlytoot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hey, cool -- somebody quoted Bobby Roberts! I was a big fan of his radio show and podcast. I noticed that hint of the Imperial March the first time I listened to the score on its own; hadn't noticed it at all seeing the movie. Good stuff. I've listened to the CD a half a dozen time or so now, and I have gotten to the point where I'd say I genuinely love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I wouldn't exactly call it hidden as much as an outright and very obvious statement of Vader's theme (granted, not the full melody line) in orchestra and choir lol The music is obvious enough but as soon as you look at what it accompanies in the film there really is no way it can be anything else. artguy360 and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I didn't notice until I saw that video above. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 hours ago, karelm said: Uh, no! Gia is doing a mediant major 3rd harmonic interval (sci-fi staple). G minor -> B minor. In G minor, the 3rd is B flat so with Gia it is a major 3rd interval. I say it is effective and it works, but it is all over sci fi and fantasy. Frequently used in Lord of the Rings and Star Treks regardless of the composer. This can be considered a cliche. In Imperial March, the harmony is G minor to a flat six (e flat minor) with an A. In E flat minor, the A should be A flat, but JW uses a raised fourth(A natural) to give it a very dissonant color against the B flat. There are similarities between what Gia and JW did but quite a few differences to say he "hid" the march in "hope". I think a more accurate description would be to say that Gia lived in the Star Wars soundverse and incorporated sonic elements in to his score. Why can't music theorists just shut up and enjoy music? Fuck major 3rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 You don't fuck major 3rds, they fuck you. Anyway, never mind that; where would Superman, and the Klingons be without major 5ths? I've always had a penchant for 4ths. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I like it when the 1st pretends to be Buffy or Drusilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: Why can't music theorists just shut up and enjoy music? Fuck major 3rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,901 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Richard said: You don't fuck major 3rds, they fuck you. Anyway, never mind that; where would Superman, and the Klingons be without major 5ths? I've always had a penchant for 4ths. It's a perfect 5th not a major 5th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thank you for correcting me. I...am a worm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,901 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: Why can't music theorists just shut up and enjoy music? Fuck major 3rds. Show some respect for the major 3rd before you get your ass kicked by them...they like to be understood and respected. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Richard said: You don't fuck major 3rds, they fuck you. Anyway, never mind that; where would Superman, and the Klingons be without major 5ths? I've always had a penchant for 4ths. I prefer 9s or 10s myself, but you have fun with 4s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,973 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, gkgyver said: I prefer 9s or 10s myself, but you have fun with 4s. I try not to go under 16's. And even that feel incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. Karol Alex Shore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 hours ago, gkgyver said: Why can't music theorists just shut up and enjoy music? Fuck major 3rds. Because they also write it? So to improve their writing they discuss theory and method. If you don't want to hear about it, just shut up and enjoy music! I would like to know what major 3rds are, please. Preferably shown on a keyboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Apologies if this has been discussed before in this or another thread, but I'm loving the blaster beam sounding synth effect (assuming that's what it is) at about 1 minute into Jedha arrival. Yes, it's not really associated with this "Star" franchise, but still enjoying it. Did Gia use this at all in his Trek scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 By the way, @Stefancos, you and @Fennel Ka seem to have the same (hilarious!) avatar. Who stole it from whom? 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: Apologies if this has been discussed before in this or another thread, but I'm loving the blaster beam sounding synth effect (assuming that's what it is) at about 1 minute into Jedha arrival. Yes, it's not really associated with this "Star" franchise, but still enjoying it. Did Gia use this at all in his Trek scores? No idea, but I kind of liked it too. Definitely wasn't bothered by it like a lot of people! DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Will said: By the way, @Stefancos, you and @Fennel Ka seem to have the same (hilarious!) avatar. Who stole it from whom? No idea, but I kind of liked it too. Definitely wasn't bothered by it like a lot of people! They both stole it from @BloodBoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Ah, @Disco Stu, interesting ... well then, hat tip to @BloodBoal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,833 Posted January 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2017 I was indifferent towards this score at first but it really has started to grow on me. Will, curlytoot, leeallen01 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've gotten to the point where I actually love it. It's still a mile beneath the Williams scores, but you can take an awfully big step down from those and still have a very good score; and that's what I'd say is the case with this one. Bring him back for the Han and Lando movie! Pieter Boelen and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 22 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Apologies if this has been discussed before in this or another thread, but I'm loving the blaster beam sounding synth effect (assuming that's what it is) at about 1 minute into Jedha arrival. Yes, it's not really associated with this "Star" franchise, but still enjoying it. Did Gia use this at all in his Trek scores? I just tried listening to that track around that timestamp and don't hear anything that sounds like a blaster beam. Are you sure you have the right track and timestamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I just tried listening to that track around that timestamp and don't hear anything that sounds like a blaster beam. Are you sure you have the right track and timestamp? hes talking about that ethnic instrument that sounds like a weird duduk or something. I dont have a problem with it really. It's part of Jedha musical palette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: Bring him back for the Han and Lando movie! I really love this score too. I absolutely don't think Gia has done anything to lose himself the Han film job, and I'd be very happy if he scored that. At the same time, however, I am a little curious about how a SW score by some other composers might sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 17/01/2017 at 1:16 AM, Will said: Woah! I'd love to give Gia some credit for this, but I'm afraid I can't. Because any similarity between the two pieces is invented, it's straw clutching. I mean, come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You are wrong! In just a few weeks Gia managed to give Rogue One a score of the kind of thematic complexity that Howard Shore needed years for. It's clearly the best Star Wars score, nay, the best score period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 what is everyone's favourite moments in the score? I personally adore this part in Scrambling the Rebel Fleet: I love this heroic treatment of Jyn's theme as it perfectly captures them marching off to war with a new-found inspiration (Jyn), and the overall tone is just so classic Star Wars, even with it being a new theme I could easily hear it being played during the lead-up to the Battle of Yavin or Battle of Endor. Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Haven't listened to the score on its own, and don't really plan too, but I just saw Rogue One finally. My impressions were that it was completely serviceable (not a unique comment to make, it appears), which is what I find most of Gia's score to be, but his theme for Jyn was so simplistic as to be someone distracting. There was one moment in his use of the rebel theme (I believe it was its first usage) that sounded weird. I didn't mind the rest of the material, like the baddy theme, and the end credits were more or less successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/17/2017 at 1:43 AM, alan1984 said: I wouldn't exactly call it hidden as much as an outright and very obvious statement of Vader's theme (granted, not the full melody line) in orchestra and choir lol The music is obvious enough but as soon as you look at what it accompanies in the film there really is no way it can be anything else. Yeah. I am a bit perplexed. I noticed the first time I heard the cue. Its not "hidden". Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/18/2017 at 1:28 PM, JTWfan77 said: Apologies if this has been discussed before in this or another thread, but I'm loving the blaster beam sounding synth effect (assuming that's what it is) at about 1 minute into Jedha arrival. Yes, it's not really associated with this "Star" franchise, but still enjoying it. Did Gia use this at all in his Trek scores? That is one of my favorite moments in the whole score. I sounds like the Moog that John Barry used to use. (He used it on the Black Hole and I think The Persuaders.) The whole track has a bit of a Barry feel, to me. 13 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Yeah. I am a bit perplexed. I noticed the first time I heard the cue. Its not "hidden". OK, I’ve read this “The Hope Theme is The Imperial March in disguise” BS several times. It’s pissing me off. The track title is “Hope”. It is not the Hope Theme, right?. The track “Jyn Erso & Hope Suite” has the Hope Theme. That’s what plays over the titles of the movie, isn't it? It’s only used twice (three times?) in the whole film. The title, and when Jyn is giving her Rousing Speech. Oh, and somewhere in The Big Battle at the end. Yes, Hope starts out with a variation of The Imperial March. It’s what’s playing over Vader taking apart the Rebels. What did they expect to play? It's the last four notes of the End Titles of The Empire Strikes Back which is The Imperial March. Then when the Blockade Runner takes off and leaves Vader standing in fury and (momentary) defeat there is a much more straightforward statement of the March. Then they play the beginning of Imperial Attack from Star Wars and we all go nuts. I mean... WE all knew this right? DarthDementous, Alan and Tiburon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Tallguy said: That is one of my favorite moments in the whole score. I sounds like the Moog that John Barry used to use. (He used it on the Black Hole and I think The Persuaders.) The whole track has a bit of a Barry feel, to me. I didn't know that JB used a Moog for Black Hole, I always thought it was the Blaster Beam. Interesting, guess I need to read my Intrada Black Hole liner notes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 8 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: I didn't know that JB used a Moog for Black Hole, I always thought it was the Blaster Beam. Interesting, guess I need to read my Intrada Black Hole liner notes... He used both. But if you listen to In, Through... And Beyond! you can hear the moog. I'm guessing MG used something more modern that sounded the same. But who knows? (Well, someone does, but I don't.) 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 20/01/2017 at 7:22 AM, TheUlyssesian said: Yeah. I am a bit perplexed. I noticed the first time I heard the cue. Its not "hidden". I saw the film before I heard the soundtrack and while I couldn't make it all out, I definitely noticed those familiar Vader "intervals" even through the sound effects. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Giacchino using the imperial March in Hope is extremely obvious. He didn't hide anything. It was the best choice and worked great. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,842 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 13 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Giacchino using the imperial March in Hope is extremely obvious. He didn't hide anything. It was the best choice and worked great. Seriously, and I'm pretty sure it was mentioned here day 1 of the OST and movie release. Its weird that people are stumbling upon it now and thinking they actually discovered something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It may have been obvious to experienced listeners/theorists, but not to me! Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Now, Darth Vader's original theme from Star Wars in Krennic's Aspirations (damn it, Giacchino, I just got that pun!) THAT was cool. artguy360 and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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