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Michael Giacchino's Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - 2022 Expanded Edition now available


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Just now, Stefancos said:

 

It's better than any version Williams ever did, right? Just say it!

 

Williams is an old man, he can't wave a baton as fast as a Star Wars score demands!

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Just listened to this album for the first (and second) time last night while I was baking cookies, and then I listened to the run of the last 5 tracks a few more times in the car this morning.  I really like the new themes - especially the Krennic theme, the "Hope" theme (I'm assuming that's what it's for - the theme that underscores the "Rogue One" title card), and the Whills theme - especially the choral performance in the last track.  Some of the underscore in the middle portion doesn't do an awful lot for me, TBH. 

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2 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

 

So basically, listening to TFA is like being a sailor, while listening to Rogue One is like being a.. paedo?

Being a sailor is AWESOME! Most of the time. :D

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Well played.

Could've been worse though. Could have said "ALL the time"! :D

 

16 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

And the other one?

As per Stefan's post, I suppose the correct answer is to say that being a sailor can be pretty darn cool too. ;)

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I saw this yesterday. I was positively surprised of the music, it was mostly ok. But I cannot understand, when there was The Rogue One title there, this must be the composer's moment to shine but it was blandest ever! Even if I liked that theme later when there was a more gently version of it. What is wrong with this guy?

 

In the end's sad moments it was all LOST, somehow strong but doesn't suite for SW.

 

And I'm not biggest fan of the movie, fabulous looking and very complex battles but haven't we seen all of this?

 

 

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On 12/21/2016 at 9:05 PM, Jay said:

Are the bits you're thinking of on the FYC? 

 

One or two of them are, but aside from them I'm mainly wishing I had the music that plays when they bust Jyn out of the tank on Wobani, when they first arrive at the Rebel base on Yavin 4, the several instances of the Hope theme that aren't on the album (one that comes to mind is the statement when Cassian and the crew of Rogue One approach Jyn after the Rebel meeting), and the elephant-like motif for the AT-ACTs in the battle. AFAIK these aren't on the FYC.

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54 minutes ago, curlytoot said:

 

When they first arrive at the Rebel base on Yavin 4.

 

Yeah, that was definitely a stand-out unreleased cue! Used Force theme and rebel fanfare IIRC. 

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4 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

Giacchino has said on twitter that he'd like to be a guest on Star Wars Oxygen to talk about Rogue One. I hope it happens so we can have a first hand account of the score. It's basically unheard of; that we get composers of these massive films on these specialised podcasts to talk in huge detail about things.

 

I did interview Silvestri and McCreary a while back for my podcast, but it was mostly an overall interview and not about a specific score. Though we did get into some details about certain things like instrumentation and themes etc, especially with McCreary.

Wow, that would be great to hear Gia say more about his score.

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5 minutes ago, RPurton said:

Maybe we can prod him for an expanded release. Spam the podcast chatroom!

 

I think he actually hinted at that too on his twitter. That one day there may be an expanded Rogue One release.

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FYI if you hold your finger over the date a tweet is posted (so 22 Dec in the example above) and copy the link address and paste that here it in a post, the tweet will embed so you don't have to take a screenshot. 

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Having finally gotten around to listening to the score on its own, I have to say: I love it.  I didn't spark to it the first time I saw the movie, but a rewatch and a listen to the CD have made it work for me.

 

It's still not Williams, but how could it have been?  It's vintage Giacchino, though, and that's plenty good enough for me.  Here's hoping he comes back for the Han and Lando movie.

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Film studios believe that people want shorter things or they'll get bored, despite the fact that 90% of the highest grossing films in history are more than 2 and a half hours long, and most are over 3 hours!

 

It's the same with CD's releases. They think that people want around an hour score release, despite the fact that LOTR Complete Recordings keep selling out. Shorter films means more showings in a day at the cinema, so it is understandable, but shorter albums mean nothing to sale amounts. It's very frustrating. 

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The LOTR Complete Recordings was the second wave of soundtrack releases for the films. They were able to make a ton of money off the first abbreviated albums, then release the bigger sets, which are still very incomplete and thus flawed if you believe all the anal people here. So they may still be able to milk the public with an enhanced completer set later. 

 

But if you release all the music in the first set, there's really nowhere to go later.

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5 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

Film studios believe that people want shorter things or they'll get bored, despite the fact that 90% of the highest grossing films in history are more than 2 and a half hours long, and most are over 3 hours!

 

It's the same with CD's releases. They think that people want around an hour score release, despite the fact that LOTR Complete Recordings keep selling out. Shorter films means more showings in a day at the cinema, so it is understandable, but shorter albums mean nothing to sale amounts.

 

Yes, it does, actually. Between an OST with just one CD for about $15-$20, and a set with 2-3 CDs for $40+, I'm pretty sure the sale amounts of the former are likely to be higher than that of the latter.

 

Plus, most people don't care if the album doesn't have all the music that was in the film. In fact, most of them don't even know that the regular OST doesn't include all the music that was in the film.

 

And finally, even if they do: what Wojo said. You can make people double dip by releasing the complete score later instead of right after the film's release.

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1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Yes, it does, actually. Between an OST with just one CD for about $15-$20, and a set with 2-3 CDs for $40+, I'm pretty sure the sale amounts of the former are likely to be higher than that of the latter.

 

Yeah that's true, my bad, I guess I was mostly referring to exactly the situation of what Giacchino said with Rogue One; that there wasn't room and he had to choose. They could have easily put on another 10 minutes of music with still one disc and the price would be no different, so they can make it longer (within reason) and the sale amount wouldn't change.

 

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Certainly, some other genre album producers do release sampler albums in conjunction with more comprehensive releases. There is a four disc comprehensive Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young) rock set that was emphasized for North American markets, and a two disc sampler marketed in Europe. I did not realize that when I bought the two disc set, which is more than enough for me. Pink Floyd released a massively expensive multidisc anthology for 1969-1972 music, but also a two disc sampler. That's the version I'll at least buy. 

 

But the mainstream soundtrack market is still enough of a limited niche market, for the most part, that releasing complete and abridged albums simultaneously is very very rare. It's more economical to spread them out years apart. The timing of the two versions of each Hobbit set was very unique, and getting Varese' ST Beyond Deluxe this calendar year was just nuts. 

 

Look for the complete Rogue One by next Christmas, or in time at least for Rogue Two. 

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There's all sorts of little intricacies that I'm just picking up on now. In "Rebellions Are Built On Hope", at approximately 0:40, there's an English Horn playing what sounds suspiciously like the music that underscores Anakin's confession to Padme that he "killed them all" in AOTC. I'm also fairly sure I can hear hints of "It Can't Be" in "Krennic's Aspirations".

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6 hours ago, Gistech said:

There's all sorts of little intricacies that I'm just picking up on now. In "Rebellions Are Built On Hope", at approximately 0:40, there's an English Horn playing what sounds suspiciously like the music that underscores Anakin's confession to Padme that he "killed them all" in AOTC. 

 

Isn't that just Dies Irae? (which seems to be all over the score due to its influence on Jyn's theme)

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I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle. Gia has written much better bad guy fanfare-ish in the past that is far more focused and clear. Thankfully the underscore to Vader's 1st scene is solid throughout with nice uses of 2 Vader themes and of course Hope knocks it out of the park with great horror-like music for Vader's rampage.

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5 hours ago, artguy360 said:

I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle.

Um...Williams would have done the same. Different notes yes, but a huge fanfare.

 

It's mean to remembrance the Mustafar scenes in ROTS.

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9 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

Um...Williams would have done the same. Different notes yes, but a huge fanfare.

 

It's mean to remembrance the Mustafar scenes in ROTS.

Yes but JW would have written something far more coherent with an actual throughline the listener could follow. The fanfare Gia wrote is a jumbled mess. Comparing JW's music for approaching Mustafar to Gia's and the difference is clear. 

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Having listened to this a few times, I can now say that aside from Rey's theme, I thoroughly enjoy Rogue One more than TFA.

 

Not having watched the film, what track is this supposed "jumled mess" fanfare on?

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47 minutes ago, gkgyver said:

Not having watched the film, what track is this supposed "jumled mess" fanfare on?

 

Heard most notably in "A Long Ride Ahead," at the end.

On 12/27/2016 at 0:53 AM, artguy360 said:

I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle. Gia has written much better bad guy fanfare-ish in the past that is far more focused and clear. Thankfully the underscore to Vader's 1st scene is solid throughout with nice uses of 2 Vader themes and of course Hope knocks it out of the park with great horror-like music for Vader's rampage.

 

I actually rather like that Mustafar fanfare. It's grown on me. I like the rhythms. It has a sort of lovely almost "swaying" quality.

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