Michael Giacchino's Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - 2022 Expanded Edition now available

[Bilbo 3,709]

Bullshit. 

[Incanus 5,714]

Just now, Bilbo Skywalker said:

Bullshit. 

Perhaps it is a Christmas miracle!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Cowcrap!

[Bilbo 3,709]

Codswollop 

[Arpy 4,145]

But where's Duel of the Fates, guys? Where's Duel of the Fates?

[leeallen01 2,136]

People calling bullshit about any praise heaped on the score, yet they haven't heard it themselves yet...

 

 

It could be a shit tip, but hear it first before shooting down any positive feedback.

Force Awakens score isn't perfect at all. Personally, I think what Williams did for the Falcon chase on Jakku, and the Rathtar stuff was not musically interesting at all. I skip all those tracks regularly when I listen to the score.

[Bilbo 3,709]

TFA is my least favourite SW score but I'd be surprised if Gia managed to surpas itbin any way shape or form.

[Incanus 5,714]

I am interested in hearing what Giacchino has done and am very very very cautiously optimistic.

 

Who knows, perhaps he has found some untapped musical vein of inspiration, that will unleash musical magic in him.

29 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

People calling bullshit about any praise heaped on the score, yet they haven't heard it themselves yet...

 

 

It could be a shit tip, but hear it first before shooting down any positive feedback.

Force Awakens score isn't perfect at all. Personally, I think what Williams did for the Falcon chase on Jakku, and the Rathtar stuff was not musically interesting at all. I skip all those tracks regularly when I listen to the score.

Oh Lee Allen, you broke my heart!

 

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

It's so dense, every single note has so many things going on....

[Quintus 5,399]

1 hour ago, leeallen01 said:

It could be a shit tip, but hear it first before shooting down any positive feedback.

Force Awakens score isn't perfect at all. Personally, I think what Williams did for the Falcon chase on Jakku, and the Rathtar stuff was not musically interesting at all. I skip all those tracks regularly when I listen to the score.

 

I agree with this. 

[Incanus 5,714]

11 minutes ago, Quintus said:

 

I agree with this. 

Lee, you broke my heart!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

1 hour ago, leeallen01 said:

People calling bullshit about any praise heaped on the score, yet they haven't heard it themselves yet...

 

 

It could be a shit tip, but hear it first before shooting down any positive feedback.

Force Awakens score isn't perfect at all. Personally, I think what Williams did for the Falcon chase on Jakku, and the Rathtar stuff was not musically interesting at all. I skip all those tracks regularly when I listen to the score.

 

Amen.

[Quintus 5,399]

I enjoy about thirty five percent of the Force Awakens music a great deal, but the rest of the ost album leaves me unmoved. As I've said before, I've convinced myself there's a really great score full of unused cues and alternates in existence. The pickups and late changes to the film harmed the score presentation as we know it. 

[Incanus 5,714]

Guys you're breaking my heart!

 

[Arpy 4,145]

But what about all the energetic variations of Finn's theme throughout 'The Falcon'? 

[Quintus 5,399]

It's a motif at best though. An action composition, with really nothing to do with Finn. I don't feel it communicates anything like an identity for the character at all. 

[Arpy 4,145]

The last minute or two of Rathars has my favorite appearance of that theme.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Quintus 5,399]

8 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Djiatchino can only dream of composing something half as expertly written as the music in that sequence, and even if he did, the other half would still be less than half as good

 

That's the problem. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I love what JW did for the Jakku and Falcon action scenes. I'm not that for of the Rathgars stuff, though even that has points of interest throughout.

 

Notice with TFA that the music is less interesting when the film is less interesting.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

Notice with TFA that the music is less interesting when the film is less interesting.

 

Yep.

[publicist 4,643]

It's not a very inspiring movie, more a suitably dutiful one. 

[Quintus 5,399]

The Rathtars cue is a bit crap really, like the scene it accompanies. Completely forgettable and a wasted opportunity for a funny and even movie stealing monsters sequence. The music should have been a set-piece cue with a theme and everything that comes with that in a Star Wars score. I said at the time it should have been The Basket Game 2, in space. 

 

The Jakku music works okay during the movie itself, but I never feel like listening to it on its own. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I listen to "Follow Me"/"The Falcon" a lot. It has quickly joined the ranks of amazing single-sequence Star Wars action cues.

[crumbs 14,314]

Williams wasn't joking when he said Rey is the main reason he wants to come back. After all, her music is leaps and bounds beyond most of the other writing in the score. The Jedi Steps is easily the most focused cue in the film, too. But it's almost jarring how the depth of orchestral texture and refinement in Rey's concert suite stands out against the restraint of the score proper.

 

Overall TFA fits the film like a glove but there's definitely sections of uninteresting underscore. And weirdly, much of the unreleased music sounds more "showy" than the final score.

 

Gotta wonder if JJ's total inability to figure out the film's tone until the dying months of post-production contributed to this? Quantity over quality sort of thing, where JW was constantly rewriting cues and had less inclination to refine or add more musical layers. Tracks like The Rathtars! are an instant skip for me; not musically interesting in the slightest (but neither is the Grievous material in ROTS).

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Y'all are weird.  I listen to all tracks of TFA OST at least weekly still.  I'm in love with it.

[publicist 4,643]

10 minutes ago, Quintus said:

I said at the time it should have been The Basket Game 2, in space. 

 

And i'm still not convinced that it can't be done due to rapid today's editing.

[crumbs 14,314]

Don't get me wrong, I still listen to a lot of TFA daily, but I find myself skipping the tracks with mostly underscore.

 

There's always been some cues with thin underscore in recent Star Wars films but I think JJ's direction forced JW to be more restrained (not a criticism) than under Lucas. Different philosophies entirely.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I'd rather listen to TFA than any of the prequel OSTs, which have some brilliant music to be sure (especially Phantom Menace), but I think TFA is much more listenable and much more subtle and interesting.  The prequels definitely have more technically challenging action music to be sure, but I find TFA much better done in terms of consistency and use of themes.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I'm finding more compelling flavour and suspense in Tommy N's 007 scores than anything from Johnny Dubya's SW scores lately.

[Bilbo 3,709]

There's some great highlights on TFA but there's definitely a chunk of the middle that all blends into one for me. 

 

Is Finn's theme really Finn's theme? Does it actually appear after the Rathtar chace or a season that doesn't involve running tovthe Falcon or the Falcon itself?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

Is Finn's theme really Finn's theme? Does it actually appear after the Rathtar chace or a season that doesn't involve running tovthe Falcon or the Falcon itself?

 

I have never called it Finn's Theme and JW certainly never did.  I liked David Collins' (of Star Wars Oxygen) take on it; he thinks of it as an action theme specifically for the Falcon.  The last time its used is when they're running up to the Falcon from the Rathtars.

[Bilbo 3,709]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

I have never called it Finn's Theme and JW certainly never did.  I liked David Collins' (of Star Wars Oxygen) take on it; he thinks of it as an action theme specifically for the Falcon.  The last time its used is when they're running up to the Falcon from the Rathtars.

 

Yeah, David's theory is what I was getting at alright. 

 

I dunno, Boyega mentioned a Finn's theme and it seems people were rushing to find something that fit that description even though there's nothing to really suggest a Finn's theme. 

 

I wonder would it have scored the speeser chance? If we knew it'd answer a few questions. 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

9 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

the Rathtar chace

 

1 minute ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

the speeser chance?

 

Are you drunk? Or is your keyboard drunk?

[Bilbo 3,709]

A little but from column A a little but from column B. 

 

 

I dunno, autocorrect on this forum is funny in my iPhone. It makes my actual typos far worse. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Drunk!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

There's an Irish joke I'm going to back away slowly from making.

[Bilbo 3,709]

I'll fight ye! 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

 

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

There's an Irish joke I'm going to back away slowly from making.

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

 

 

 

Paddy and Mick are walking down the road and Paddy's got a bag of doughnuts in his hand. 
Paddy says to Mick, "If you can guess how many doughnuts are in my bag, you can have them both"

[ymenard 54]

Give Gia a full year to write (and rewrite) the score like Johnny was able to do last year without any other assignment and it would be quite something.

[Jay 37,359]

I think so too.  In an alternate reality where Giacchino was hired in 2014 instead of Desplat, and Doctor Strange went to someone else so he could begin working on this in earnest right after Star Trek Beyond, and we'd have ended up with quite a different score than the 4week rush job we're getting, methinks.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The schedule is no excuse! AOTC was done on the quick too!

[leeallen01 2,136]

I agree and disagree. Time may not increase the quality at all. JNH said himself during production of Kong, that given more time, he doesn't think it would have been any better.

I think Giacchino thrived under time constraints on LOST. I've been rewatching it all again recently, and noticing so many great thematic connections. Almost every scene from character to character involves an appropriate use and alteration of their theme with interesting outcomes. And some characters have many themes that he switches back and forth with depending on the scenes' emotional state and location. Quite impressive thematic awareness, considering he had perhaps 30 regularly used themes going at one point.

[Jay 37,359]

I said different. I did not say better or worse. 

[leeallen01 2,136]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

I said different. I did not say better or worse. 

 

Yeah I noticed that, I wasn't referring to your comment.

 

I agree that it would have been different. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Well duh!

[leeallen01 2,136]

It would have been note for note identical damn you!

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

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The score of Giacchino sounds much better than that of Episode VII - it looks denser, fuller, better.

 

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

8 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

Force Awakens score isn't perfect at all. Personally, I think what Williams did for the Falcon chase on Jakku, and the Rathtar stuff was not musically interesting at all. I skip all those tracks regularly when I listen to the score.

I'm not a fan of "The Rathtars" either but "Follow Me" and "The Falcon" are gold.