BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 John Williams is by far the most divisive and criticised composer here on JWFan.com Naïve Old Fart and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,650 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I've heard of all of them except the third one. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 You left out Conrad Pope Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,512 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, mstrox said: I've heard of all of them except the third one. Who the flying fuck is Bimbo Joe?! 100% for JW shows just how important he is. The others are "also-ran"s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Richard said: Who the flying fuck is Bimbo Joe? I hear he ghost-writes for Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 And he writes for ghost films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Pilgrim is our most controversial composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 He's not really a composer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Cowabunga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,710 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 What's the consensus here on Rosenman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 There is no consensus on Rosenman. And he certainly isnt discussed here enough to qualify as "most controversial". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,650 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 52 minutes ago, Nick66 said: What's the consensus here on Rosenman? He's no Bimbo Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Chas and Dave Sharkissimo and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Skelly said: I hear he ghost-writes for Zimmer. Who doesn't though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,512 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Chas and Dave Oh, Lee, there ain't no pleasing you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 This is my favorite! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Who doesn't though? Actually, no one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jilal 569 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 Right. They're all credited and brought into public attention through the "Music by Hans Zimmer" credit. Bilbo, Arpy and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Either Giacchino or Zimmer. My criteria may be different than others' so I'll explain them. Technically, Williams generates by far the most controversy here, but I don't think there's anyone here who really just doesn't like Williams in general. They may not like everything he does but they'd probably still identify themselves as Williams fans. Whereas with Zimmer and Giacchino, there are actually people who say they don't like them overall. A lot more "complete shunning." Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, Jilal said: Right. They're all credited and brought into public attention through the "Music by Hans Zimmer" credit. On his commercial, collaborative scores he always credits his accomplices, even if it's in the small print on the back. From experience, the most controversial seem to be the following. - Giacchino - Zimmer - Arnold - Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, TheWhiteRider said: Actually, no one does. People have been ghostwriting for Zimmer for decades. Even as far back as 1990 Shirley Walker wrote a score credited to Zimmer. That was due to a legal dilemma, but even today figuring out who wrote what in almost any given RCP score, Zimmer or not, is a Herculean task. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, Sharkus Malarkus said: On his commercial, collaborative scores he always credits his accomplices, even if it's in the small print on the back. (Which is exactly what I wrote, but I think "Right." has a bit of a sarcastic connotation in English?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Jilal said: (Which is exactly what I wrote, but I think "Right." has a bit of a sarcastic connotation in English?) That and the "scare quotes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: That and the "scare quotes." Quotes are now scary? I must live in the Middle Ages? Second attempt, then. 1 hour ago, TheWhiteRider said: Actually, no one does. Indeed. All of his collaborators are credited and even brought into public attention (often leading to breakthroughs and the like) through the Music by Hans Zimmer credit. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Skelly said: People have been ghostwriting for Zimmer for decades. Even as far back as 1990 Shirley Walker wrote a score credited to Zimmer. That was due to a legal dilemma, but even today figuring out who wrote what in almost any given RCP score, Zimmer or not, is a Herculean task. No, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jilal said: No, it isn't. It can be sometimes. I remember a couple years ago Tom Holkenberg was reportedly brought on to Batman v. Superman to primarily help out with the Batman theme, since Zimmer was worried about repeating himself. Yet recently I've heard (rumors) that it was Zimmer himself who worked on the Batman theme for that film. So it can be hard to pin down just who did what without going to the composer himself and asking. Zimmer's buddies at RCP may not be ghost-writers in the traditional sense but the group isn't always 100% transparent about who did what. In the end it doesn't really matter though - it's a very detailed thing to care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Are bands or jazz groups usually that transparent? Have you ever made music with a group of people? It can be difficult to even account for what comes from where. I don't care what Paul wrote vs. what John or Ringo or George wrote, I don't care what David wrote vs. what Roger or Rick or Nick wrote, and I don't care what Hans wrote vs. what Lorne or Klaus or Harry or whoever wrote. That said, a good set of ears will usually lead your judgement of such things well. Anyway, there's an obvious answer to this poll, and it isn't included as an option. Not many people can tread water on the dreaded "emotional" chords like that without being shit, but he can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I guess I'm the only one interested in that sort of trivia then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Jilal said: Quotes are now scary? I must live in the Middle Ages? They're also called sneer quotes, which I like better. They're used to show scepticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Skelly said: It can be sometimes. I remember a couple years ago Tom Holkenberg was reportedly brought on to Batman v. Superman to primarily help out with the Batman theme, since Zimmer was worried about repeating himself. Yet recently I've heard (rumors) that it was Zimmer himself who worked on the Batman theme for that film. So it can be hard to pin down just who did what without going to the composer himself and asking. Zimmer's buddies at RCP may not be ghost-writers in the traditional sense but the group isn't always 100% transparent about who did what. In the end it doesn't really matter though - it's a very detailed thing to care about. Since when are rumors facts? I could say John Williams wrote some material for Superman in that score and that wouldn't make the credits confusing, because they're credits. They don't change based on what people say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I used the term "rumor" because it hasn't been officially confirmed. But someone close to RCP has said that Zimmer wrote the entirety of Batman's theme. But I suppose it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The point is, Holkenborg was never credited as the sole composer of any material in that score. Stop listening to rumors and listen to more music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Skelly said: I used the term "rumor" because it hasn't been officially confirmed. But someone close to RCP has said that Zimmer wrote the entirety of Batman's theme. But I suppose it's a moot point. Of course it is. Because it sucks either way. Skelly and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 Joni Wiljami and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Don't make me link to the thread. I'll do it, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Eno! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Dare not spake the works of Doom, Alexandre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Controversial is perhaps the wrong word here, but the most divisive seems to be Zimmer, and the most disappointing is Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 He's the next John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 3:51 AM, BloodBoal said: Not really. Apart from Sharkus Malarkus, Thor, Koko, a misguided KK and you, nobody cares about Eno. Since when do I care about Eno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,338 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I am certainly not misguided! Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 If you are misguided, you don't know you are misguided though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 But if you are Miss Guided, then you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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