The Joe Kraemer Thread

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

He's not any worse than HanZ, then.

[Drew 594]

On 4/30/2021 at 4:15 PM, WampaRat said:

I couldn’t find the official “Joe Kraemer” thread. Was this shared already?

 

He’s a talented guy for sure. But this entire album is an odd mutation of John Williams work. First track is a hodgepodge of “attack on Jakku” and “Jungle Chase”  for example. It’s kind of a “name that tune I listened to before writing this” game. Very odd. Even a few mangled snippets from “The Cowboys Oveture” pops up in one of these. 
 

This already get discussed?

 

What is this? A concept album? Reminds me of Doyle's Impressions of America. A composer let loose away from the picture, but ultimately does not result in one of their best works.

[Jay 43,901]

13 minutes ago, Drew said:

 

What is this? A concept album? Reminds me of Doyle's Impressions of America. A composer let loose away from the picture, but ultimately does not result in one of their best works.

 

On 10/29/2020 at 5:10 PM, Dr. Know said:

Joe has a new production library album on Audio Network UK, "Come to the Rescue."  Unfortunately, the individual tracks cost $10 to purchase.

 

https://www.audionetwork.com/browse/m/album/come-to-the-rescue_3425

 

 

[Drew 594]

Ah, library music. The temp track influence makes sense then. Haha.

[Anthony 861]

Is that all synth? If so, that sounds pretty impressive.

[Richard P 4,948]

Not necessarily - a lot of library music is fully orchestral.

[MrJosh 1,007]

On 11/6/2020 at 8:32 AM, Jay said:

 

Battle At Sea - super fun, sounds like an unused prequel trilogy pan down from the stars and opening action cue.  Even has kinds of The Arena from AOTC

 

Army of Villains - Cool take on the bridge section of the Imperial March, and hints of March of the Resistance too

 

Into The Sunset - Ha!  A fun take on The Cowboys

 

In Love With The Damsel - Lovely love theme

 

Museum Chase - Fun action cue, sort of a blend of his MI5 action sound and Desert Chase from Raiders

 

Arrival At The Homestead - Very lovely!

 

A Colorado Rhapsody - Fun, starts out like the Raiders March then reminded me more of City Slickers

 

Come To The Rescue - A fun wrap-up track!

I just listened to these today, they are all super fun!

 

Even though he's obviously emulating certain existing music at times, I can hear how strong a composer he is. Each time I hear some new Joe Kraemer, it makes me want to hear some more Joe Kraemer. 

[Anthony 861]

I'm still bitter that he wasn't approached for any more M:I films. I'm arguably even more gutted about this than the fact we haven't had a David Arnold Bond score for 13 years. And with their current equivalents being Balfe and Zimmer...filmmakers really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. 

[Edmilson 10,995]

*Joe Kraemer writes a brilliant score for M:I*

 

Hollywood:

 

*Lorne Balfe writes a forgettable and painfully generic score for M: I*

 

Hollywood:

[HunterTech 1,547]

*plus the masses who only live and breathe HZ esque scores now

[MrJosh 1,007]

13 hours ago, Anthony said:

I'm still bitter that he wasn't approached for any more M:I films. I'm arguably even more gutted about this than the fact we haven't had a David Arnold Bond score for 13 years. And with their current equivalents being Balfe and Zimmer...filmmakers really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. 

Having Kraemer not return for the following M:I, not having Arnold doing more Bond scores, not having Arnold score that ID4 sequel....rank among my biggest disappointments in the last number of years. 

 

 

On a more positive note, half-way through listening to Emily and the Magical Journey and it's really quite fun. In some of the quirky bits of the score, I can hear influences from Williams' similarly quirky music in TPM for some of the Jar-Jar scenes/ kid Anakin, and/or some of the burglar's-falling-into-traps bits from Home Alone. 

[Jay 43,901]

On 6/25/2021 at 5:02 PM, MrJosh said:

Having Kraemer not return for the following M:I, not having Arnold doing more Bond scores, not having Arnold score that ID4 sequel....rank among my biggest disappointments in the last number of years. 

 

Same.

 

Also up there is Giacchino getting Rogue One over Desplat, Balfe getting Black Widow over Desplat, Williams not scoring Bridge of Spies / Ready Player One / West Side Story, and Don Davis not scoring Matrix 4

[MrJosh 1,007]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Same.

 

Also up there is Giacchino getting Rogue One over Desplat, Balfe getting Black Widow over Desplat, Williams not scoring Bridge of Spies / Ready Player One / West Side Story, and Don Davis not scoring Matrix 4

 

Yes, forgot about these....and I haven't been following the news at all on The Matrix 4 and was assuming that of course they'd ask Don Davis to return....uhg, that is disappointing!

[Jay 43,901]

It's baffling that they wouldn't bring Davis back.

[Anthony 861]

8 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Same.

 

Also up there is Giacchino getting Rogue One over Desplat, Balfe getting Black Widow over Desplat, Williams not scoring Bridge of Spies / Ready Player One / West Side Story, and Don Davis not scoring Matrix 4

 

Arguably, Ready Player One yielded one of Silvestri's best scores, so I'm not too disappointed about that one. Newman's isn't bad either. Black Widow and Rogue One howwever...yes, I'd definitely have prefered the original composers.

 

I knew Davis wasn't doing Matrix 4, but I've forgotten who IS doing it.

[MrJosh 1,007]

2 minutes ago, Anthony said:

 

Arguably, Ready Player One yielded one of Silvestri's best scores, so I'm not too disappointed about that one. Newman's isn't bad either. Black Widow and Rogue One howwever...yes, I'd definitely have prefered the original composers.

 

I knew Davis wasn't doing Matrix 4, but I've forgotten who IS doing it.

I agree that Silvestri's score was enjoyable for sure, but it would have been pretty great to get another adventure score by Williams. I wonder if he'd have wanted to quote the BTTF theme or if he'd have been not a fan of that kind of thing. 

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

22 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's baffling that they wouldn't bring Davis back.

 

Didn't Davis die in the original trilogy?

[toothless 1,023]

Wait. Has anyone been announced for Matrix 4 ? Davis hasn’t been asked but could still be, right? 

[Anthony 861]

Johnny Klimek & Tom Tykwer

 

Okay, who? I think I've heard of Tykwer before but have I ever heard music by him...I don't think so.

[Jay 43,901]

22 minutes ago, toothless said:

Wait. Has anyone been announced for Matrix 4 ? Davis hasn’t been asked but could still be, right? 

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27202-the-matrix-resurrection-fourth-matrix-film/&do=findComment&comment=1775091

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

What's happening to the world?

[Edmilson 10,995]

38 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What's happening to the world?

It got shittier than it already was. 

[MrJosh 1,007]

39 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What's happening to the world?

it's all a simulation. 

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

The Matrix 4?

[Stark 762]

I am retaining a fool’s hope for the Matrix 4 score because Tykwer’s crew did write Cloud Atlas, which was excellent... but only a fool’s hope.

[Koray Savas 2,255]

I have no doubts. Whoever the Wachowskis work with, the music in their films always turn out great.

[Jay 43,901]

Always?  Bound's score is really noteworthy?

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

Always is a decent score.

[DangerMotif 1,293]

Feels like the time to bump this thread, it’s absurd that one of the top composers working today has gotten no work after one of the greatest scores of the past decade.

https://youtu.be/XRacpUtGQHE

[Jay 43,901]

 

Disc-On-Demand (CDR)
CD includes Digital Download/Digital Booklet

 

Dragon’s Domain Records presents THE JOE KRAEMER COLLECTION: VOLUME 1, featuring music composed by Joe Kraemer (THE WAY OF THE GUN, JACK REACHER, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: ROGUE NATION) for two films from his extensive filmography, THE HITCHER II: I’VE BEEN WAITING and JOY RIDE 2: DEAD AHEAD.

Released in 2003, THE HITCHER II: I’VE BEEN WAITING was directed by Louis Morneau (BATS), written by Eric Red, Molly Meeker and Charles R. Meeker, starring C.Thomas Howell, Kari Wuhrer and Jake Busey. The film catches up with Jim Halsey (Howell) fifteen years after his horror filled trip through Texas at the hands of a psychotic drifter as chronicled in the events of the first film. After being discharged from the police force after using excessive force on a suspect, Jim decides to take a trip back to Texas with his girlfriend, Maggie (Wuhrer) to face the demons of his past and visit his old friend, Captain Estridge. On the way, the couple make the mistake of picking up another hitchhiker, Jim (Busey), who remarkably also happens to have most of his screws loose and Jim and Maggie find themselves taking part in a new cat-and-mouse tour of Texas with Jim in relentless pursuit.

 

Heavily affected by Kraemer’s score for THE WAY OF THE GUN, director Louis Morneau knew exactly what he wanted musically for THE HITCHER II and sought out Joe to score the film.

 

Released in 2008 after the surprise success of the first film, JOY RIDE 2: DEAD AHEAD was also directed by Louis Morneau, written by James Robert Johnston, Bennett Yellin and Clay Tarver, starring Nicki Aycox, Nick Zano, Laura Jordan, Kyle Schmid and Mark Gibbon as Rusty Nail. While driving to Las Vegas for the bachelor party of her sister Melissa (Aycox) and her fiancé Bobby (Zano), Kayla (Jordan) stops the car at a gas station to meet her date, Nik (Schmid). Nik convinces her to take the car down a back road and the car breaks down. They find a house in the middle of nowhere and decide to take the car parked in the garage to the nearest city and return the car later. Melissa leaves her cell phone number. Along the way, the car is damaged because of Nik’s stupidity and they plan to rent a car and return to the house to pay for the damages to the car. Unknown to them, the owner of the house is the psychotic Rusty Nail and the friends realize they are going to have to pay a much higher price than expected for what they did...

 

Joe Kraemer has been scoring films since the age of 15, when he composed the soundtrack for his high school classmate’s feature-length indie shot on Super 8 in 1986. Joe attended the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston to study film composition. In the following years, Kraemer carved out an eclectic career scoring various genres. He has written music for over 100 films, with about 40 of those just for the Hallmark Channel/Larry Levinson Productions. Furthermore, he has scored for episodic television, television movies, documentaries, and short films, including his scores for John Putch's THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE and A TIME TO REMEMBER, as well as the MYSTERY WOMAN series, and westerns such as HARD GROUND, LONE RIDER and THE TRAIL TO HOPE ROSE. His filmography includes THE WAY OF THE GUN, JACK REACHER, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE – ROGUE NATION, THE MAN WHO KILLED HITLER AND THEN THE BIGFOOT, the documentary KING COHEN and television series COMRADE DETECTIVE, CREEPED OUT and PANDORA. Joe frequently does Masterclasses in composition for media for various colleges and organizations, including Columbia College Chicago, Media Sound Hamburg, and the Hollywood Music Workshop.

 

Dragon’s Domain Records presents THE JOE KRAEMER COLLECTION – VOLUME 1, featuring the premiere releases of music composed by Joe Kraemer for THE HITCHER II: I’VE BEEN WAITING and JOY RIDE 2: DEAD AHEAD The liner notes are written by the composer himself, along with director Louis Morneau. The music has been mastered by James Nelson at Digital Outland.

 

THE JOE KRAEMER COLLECTION – VOLUME 1 is a disc-on-demand release and is expected to begin shipping the week of February 5th, 2024.

The first 50 copies ordered through the buysoundtrax.com website will be autographed by the composer at no extra charge.

 

THE HITCHER II: I’VE BEEN WAITING
1. A Dark And Stormy Night (4:38)
2. Flight To Texas / Meeting The Hitcher (6:10)
3. The First Attack / Maggie Must Go On (9:10)
4. The Empty Water Tower* / French Fries / Gas Station Shoot-Out (8:32)
5. At The Roadside / Stealing A Plane / Freeway Face-Off (6:56)
6. Did He Survive / The Final Fight / Finale (3:31)

JOY RIDE 2: DEAD AHEAD
7. The Open Road (3:42)
8. One Car For Another (3:19)
9. Mortuary (3:10)
10. Flipping The Chevelle (3:46)
11. Repercussions (4:05)
12. Kidnapped (5:04)
13. Torture Chamber (5:23)
14. It’s Not Over Yet (3:07)
15. The Final Drive (4:26)

Total Time: 75:38

*Vocals: Lisa Donahey

 

https://buysoundtrax.myshopify.com/collections/dragons-domain-records-1/products/the-joe-kraemer-collection-volume-1

[The Score Cleaner 8,461]

His Jack Reacher score is pretty good.

[Jay 43,901]

Joe Kraemer to Score Robert D. Krzykowski’s ‘Grendel’

[crocodile 9,349]

That's really cool.

 

Karol

[Tom Guernsey 3,449]

About time he got another decent gig and since he’s worked with the director before, hopefully minimal chance of it not working out. 🤞🏻

[Luke Skywalker 2,262]

Glad he is working again. Hope he gets the recognition he and his music deserve

[WampaRat 1,867]

I'm not sure if this was shared already, but this project sounds promising! Kraemer is working with T. Bone Burnett on a Jim Hensen Company production of Grendel. T. Bone is normally known for folksy country stylings. Wonder if the score will follow suit?

I'm just stoked for the Hensen company to do a big project. Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance was an incredibly epic piece of puppetry. And this creature design already looks insane!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/grendel-afm-robert-d-krzykowski-jim-henson-beowulf-1236054832/

https://filmmusicreporter.com/2024/11/06/joe-kraemer-to-score-robert-d-krzykowskis-grendel/

[Suro-Zet 18]

Looks interesting.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,272]

There are truly talented individuals like Kraemer, and Wael Binali who aren't getting film work in Hollywood, but a few fourth tier guys are doing the new Superman?

[Stark 762]

3 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

There are truly talented individuals like Kraemer, and Wael Binali who aren't getting film work in Hollywood, but a few fourth tier guys are doing the new Superman?

Calling the composer of two of the most iconic themes of this century a fourth tier guy is rather silly.

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

What? Never hard or the guy. 

[Stark 762]

12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What? Never hard or the guy. 

He's not as known by name, but I'm sure you've heard his famous tracks from 28 Days Later and Sunshine.

[Suro-Zet 18]

Sad to read all of it about Kraemer, but reading some Davis comments about Pinar Toprak in another topic about Kraemer is absolutely hilarious, bad, and disgusting at the same time. Tell me, Davis, did you forgot to take your pills before writing all that nonsense or what?
You make baseless and subjective statements that Toprak has no talent, that she was hired on some projects just because she's woman, and other misogynistic nonsense. More than that, you even dare to laugh at her name. After that idiotic behavior, your complaints about another person getting personal to you are just ridiculous. How else anyone can talk to you, Davis, if you write such stupidity? I don't know what's in your head, but you're better to watch yourself before writing anything.

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

15 minutes ago, Stark said:

He's not as known by name, but I'm sure you've heard his famous tracks from 28 Days Later and Sunshine.

 

I've seen the films, but didn't find the music memorable.

[GerateWohl 6,194]

I didn't even find the movies memorable. I find Boyle kind of overrated. 

[Edmilson 10,995]

He directed one of the crappiest movies that won an Oscar for Best Picture in recent years.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,272]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

Calling the composer of two of the most iconic themes of this century a fourth tier guy is rather silly.

 

If your born in 1977, these are 4th tier, at best.

[Stark 762]

15 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

 

If your born in 1977, these are 4th tier, at best.

I guess my hundred plus golden age CDs can't redeem my more-recent birth year and ability to appreciate more styles

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,272]

I guess i'm more a purist than you.

[Luke Skywalker 2,262]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

He's not as known by name, but I'm sure you've heard his famous tracks from 28 Days Later and Sunshine.

And those are two of the most iconic themes in the century?

 

Needless to say thay we are just still at one fourth of the century...

[Stark 762]

15 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

I guess i'm more a purist than you.

Missing out

 

2 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

And those are two of the most iconic themes in the century?

 

Needless to say thay we are just still at one fourth of the century...

Undoubtably, they're well-recognized outside their films and have had an unmatched level of licensing in other projects.