Jim Ware 525 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Several cues have material that cover the same footage like The Three Hunters, The Banishment of Eomer, Osgiliath Invaded, Dernhelm in Battle, Shieldmaiden of Rohan... Repeating the odd transition here and there was the only way to incorporate all the material without artificially truncating or editing the compositions. In the case of ROTK, the approach was to return to the original chronology of the score for the most part, presenting the most complete versions of each composition. 15 hours ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Days of the Ring is also technically a edit with Into the West replacing Frodo's Song (the version underneath the Howard Shore & Doug Adams conversation track on the Rarities.) Frodo's Song was never recorded in its entirety. The take heard on the Rarities is incomplete. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Doug Adams said: Yeah, that was my thought too. I worked like a madman to write my first draft of Hobbit between January and early May 2014. But alas, it was not to be. Had the third film's score already finished recording by May 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Jim Ware said: Frodo's Song was never recorded in its entirety. The take heard on the Rarities is incomplete. Interesting. The Use Well the Days documentary has a longer version, in any case, with what we hear in Days of the Ring going into unreleased material that transitions into Rarities In Conversation Frodo's Song V2. 3 hours ago, Jim Ware said: Repeating the odd transition here and there was the only way to incorporate all the material without artificially truncating or editing the compositions. In the case of ROTK, the approach was to return to the original chronology of the score for the most part, presenting the most complete versions of each composition. Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 20 hours ago, Jay said: Had the third film's score already finished recording by May 2014? Sorry, I meant '15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Ah, that makes a lot more sense! That means we're coming up on the fifth anniversary of you finishing your first draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 It's great that you now can share these droplets of info with us, Doug! However, I'm most interested in your Impossible Silence book - could you give us an update on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: However, I'm most interested in your Impossible Silence book - could you give us an update on that? On 1/12/2020 at 10:01 PM, Doug Adams said: I'm not making any noise on social media (does this count?), but I have an Impossible Silence meeting coming up later this week. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I would really love to know Shore's honest feelings about his work and working conditions on these films. Edmilson and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 And I would really like complete recordings. Evanus and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 17 hours ago, gkgyver said: I would really love to know Shore's honest feelings about his work and working conditions on these films. Well, I can see his enthusiasm in the Making-Of video for "An Unexpected Journey", which I presume was done before any "tinkering" had occurred. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I see more of an enthusiasm for writing to the book - it's harder to judge how far that enthusiasm ventures into the films themselves. You'd hope it's a similar situation with SW, where regardless of how questionable the films might be, the composer is enjoying creating their musical tapestry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Even in the liner notes for the RotK OST, Shore mentions his hope for a Hobbit's tale. So, yes, Richard, you hit the nail on its head. If I had the means, I'd commission, oh I dunno, a dozen different composers to write their version of The Silmarillion. That ought to be a vast canvas to draw upon... (Note: HanZ et al. are not among these dozen composers...) 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 Well, if you hire HanZ, you do get at least a dozen. 1977, Fabulin and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 On 4/9/2020 at 10:02 AM, gkgyver said: I would really love to know Shore's honest feelings about his work and working conditions on these films. Pretty sure he was fine working from his hotel and skyping-in to PJ. It's not like they kept him chained up on set, dragging him out whenever a musical opinion was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2020 Anyone else watching? Chen G., Fabulin, The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Didn't know it existed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 @Jim Ware plays a snippet of the alternate FOTR Prologue Gondor theme at 1:12:34 that has a split second of brass that sounds unreleased to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Anyone else watching? This was fun! It's great to finally lift the lid on some of the Hobbit material. Chen G. and Faleel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 There seems to be an audio dropout around 10:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 What did they say? Is the book coming, are CRs coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What did they say? Is the book coming, are CRs coming? Nothing about those we haven't heard before, book should cone out eventually etc. most of the new info was about statistics and some theme names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, The River (Fal) said: Nothing about those we haven't heard before, book should cone out eventually etc. most of the new info was about statistics and some theme names. Statistics? Like the likelihood of the book being released at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Statistics? Like the likelihood of the book being released at all? No, numbers of choral texts (26?), and themes (107?) Jurassic Shark and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Quote Howard's vision, musically, for Middle Earth is so complete, that I really feel the Amazon people have everything they need. Very true, @Doug Adams. As far as I can tell, the series is going to be about the Forging of the Rings, and so much of the relevant material is already in place: We have the "Second Age Gondor" theme which could as well be the Numenore theme for the show (and just as well, cause that's a bloody cool tune!); we have material for Elrond and Galadriel; we have the Sauron and Rings material; we have the Moria material; even stuff like the Fall of Men or the Weakness and Redemption material could come in handy. Basically, we need an Eregion theme (a-la Solo) and Bob's your uncle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Chen G. and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 16 hours ago, The River (Fal) said: No, numbers of choral texts (26?), and themes (107?) 107 themes (29 returning), 27 choral texts (1 returning). Faleel and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 That was an interesting conversation to watch, thanks for doing it! Sadly there were a few audio dropouts in the recording... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 497 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Jim Ware said: 107 themes (29 returning), 27 choral texts (1 returning). Where do we hear the returning choral text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said: Where do we hear the returning choral text? Probably something to do with Galadriel/Elves, or the Eagles I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 "Lament for Gandalf" is used (briefly) in Guardians of the Three. Smaug The Iron and Faleel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 That was a great talk @Doug Adams and @Jim Ware! And yes this music is endlessly fascinating and as you say several times there is always the delight of discovering something new about it even after listening to these scores for years. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Incanus said: there is always the delight of discovering something new about it even after listening to these scores for years. Ah, yes, that face of realization one makes when ones realizes the end of "The Hidden Valley" and the diegetic "The Valley of Imladris" are the same theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUH 63 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Am really enjoying watching this! Although the first time Justin's mic wasn't working, I thought it was just a really long uncomfortable silence where everyone was waiting for someone else to speak which was painful . It's a joy to see Jim for the first time, and you come across great here, with thoughtful and considered responses. Would be a thrill to have a beer with the both of you some day! Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I have shared many beers (and wine.. and port...) with Jim (and Doug!) and can confirm it is quite enjoyable Jim Ware and SUH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 I had Guinness with both @Jim Ware and @Doug Adams, but not at the same time and not in the same country. Does that count? SUH and Jim Ware 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 FotR came out in 2001, Doug's book on LotR nine years later. 2021 is nine years after 2012 when AUJ came out...sogettoityes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 There's a Middle Earth show coming out early next year so... maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: There's a "Middle Earth" show coming out early next year so... maybe? Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Middling-Earth, perhaps...? Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Amazon Earth. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,404 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 21 hours ago, Kühni said: FotR came out in 2001, Doug's book on LotR nine years later. 2021 is nine years after 2012 when AUJ came out...sogettoityes? The LotR book came out 4 years after definitive enough releases of all the scores to base it on and listen along with were out. So... 2025 at the earliest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Three years. RotK CS Dec. 2007 > Book Fall 2010. So 2024? Make it so! @Doug Adams, you have the choice of Guinness delivered to your door-step (as long as it's the same door-step as back in 2008), or a (Dead) Army of Moles laying waste to your vegetable patch...or the property owners after you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 22 hours ago, Kühni said: Three years. RotK CS Dec. 2007 > Book Fall 2010. So 2024? Make it so! @Doug Adams, you have the choice of Guinness delivered to your door-step (as long as it's the same door-step as back in 2008), or a (Dead) Army of Moles laying waste to your vegetable patch...or the property owners after you. I've moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Anyway, it might be best for everyone involved to know there's a show coming out in "early 2022" with marketing to begin in September-October. Just in case someone should want to piggyback ride on a wave of renewed interest in the property for certain publishing goals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,939 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 And it will be the first film's 10th anniversary. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, crocodile said: And the it will be the first film's 10th anniversary. This has not gone unnoticed. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,404 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Jim Ware will personally do a reenactment of all three films and post on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Jim Ware will personally do a reenactment of all three films and post on Youtube. Please do not give theonering.net any ideas! Bilbo and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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