Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2016 Another score that might have inspired JW for The Lost World is Bernard Herrmann's White Witch Doctor (at least the Prelude): Muad'Dib, publicist and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Am I the only one that always thought the percussion driven beggining of the Lost World Theme was an homage to the Overture from Lawrence of Arabia? Henry Sítrónu and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Romão said: Am I that always thought the percussion driven beggining of the Lost World Theme was an homage to the Overture from Lawrence of Arabia? Yes! I have thought so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Definitely, always felt it was a completely intentional nod to Jarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yeah, same here. I think the Jarre reference was even mentioned at the time of release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 So is The Lost World the best score Williams wrote for a bad movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I first saw it when I was 7 and was disappointed that there wasn't a scene where the T-Rex saved the characters from the raptors like in the first movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: So is The Lost World the best score Williams wrote for a bad movie? No, Monsignor is still at the top in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 I like that score, but nowhere near TLW. Must be an Italian bias! TownerFan and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I've never minded Kelly killing the raptor. That whole scene is terrific and I love when Malcolm says, "The school cut you from the team?" Every line by Goldblum in that film is gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 11 minutes ago, Stefancos said: So is The Lost World the best score Williams wrote for a bad movie? No, because your premise is false. TLW is a great movie. The best score he wrote for a bad movie is unquestionably STORY OF A WOMAN. But other contenders include MONSIGNOR (as previously mentioned), FAR & AWAY, THE FURY, EARTHQUAKE, FITZWILLY, A GUIDE FOR THE MARRIED MAN, PENELOPE or DIAMOND HEAD -- all films with serious issues, but with smokin' great Williams scores. I don't count titles like 1941, JOHN GOLDFARB, HEARTBEEPS etc. where both the music and film are kinda bad (albeit charming on occasion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Thor, you do realize that you are the only one who thinks that. No one over the age of 10 has ever called The Lost World a GREAT movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Thor said: The best score he wrote for a bad movie is unquestionably STORY OF A WOMAN. But other contenders include MONSIGNOR (as previously mentioned), FAR & AWAY, THE FURY, EARTHQUAKE, FITZWILLY, A GUIDE FOR THE MARRIED MAN, PENELOPE or DIAMOND HEAD -- all films with serious issues, but with smokin' great Williams scores. There are four Star Wars movies you left out. Possibly five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Thor, you do realize that you are the only one who thinks that. No one over the age of 10 has ever called The Lost World a GREAT movie. I know plenty who like that movie, including my film journalist colleagues. I liked it back then, I probably like it even more today. Yes, it is most definitely great, and one of Spielberg's most underrated works. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 It is a great movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Liking it is one thing. It being an actually good film is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Just now, Muad'Dib said: Liking it is one thing. It being an actually good film is another. I like it because I think it's good. Even great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Thor said: I like it because I think it's good. Even great. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 As far as films about dinosaurs and a bunch of guys with guns in the forest go, it's great. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Words cannot describe! The mind cannot concieve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 It's sound logic, really. Do we like things that hurt? That cause pain or discomfort? If so, there must be some level of risk/reward or pain/pleasure or "this fucking sucks but goddammit I love it" threshold to overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier syndrome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Also a great film. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 There are worse movies than TLW in Williams' filmography of course. And there are equally brilliant scores as TLW which he wrote for so-called "bad movies". But it's kind of inevitable in such a long career than now covers 60+ years of writing for film. Let's just enjoy the music and enough with ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Selina Kyle said: Also a great film. Fuck yeah! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 And decades later she nearly drove me down in her old persons mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I thought weapons were forbidden on this island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 59 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Ah, Ghostbusters. Great movie. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I prefer Ghostbusters II. One thing people criticize heavily about TLW is the characters. Basically, there are no redeeming qualities or sympathetic characters except maybe Roland, who is the one that comes closest to having a decent arc. The good guys (minus Malcolm, who's just there for personal reasons) let the dinosaurs loose and doom everyone, who are mostly just "innocent" blue collar guys working for InGen. Nick sort of gets redeemed by being the one to send the distress call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 They are just boring characters with no arc whatsoever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 And to think Roland is on the side of the "BAD" guys! Still a cool dude though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I mean, who tried to watch the Jurassic Park movies for the characterisation anyway? I'll tell you who: idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The characters are mostly fine, but that's not my main draw to the film. For me, it is ALL about atmosphere and action setpieces (much like the first film -- only darker this time). I'm not even into dinosaurs; it's all about the film language on display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Selina Kyle said: I prefer Ghostbusters II. Even though they don't smoke in it? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I always thought the Greenpeace-like group being a bunch on unprofessional morons was an intentional criticism from Spielberg and co. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 There's an element of 'both sides are as stupid as each other.' Ultimately the Gatherers cause everyone to be trapped there and die en masse by destroying the Hunters camp, while their dinotarianism helping the baby Rex ends up destroying their own camp. OTOH, maybe that's giving Koepp too much credit; it's just as likely he's a mediocre screenwriter who didn't think about these things. Don't forget he wrote an Indiana Jones film where the protagonist is a passive, bumbling observer for most of the plot; ain't no clever symbolism there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 People are also trashing Koepp for the script, but I think it's awesome. So many classic lines, especially in the trailer scene. "Well, I've gotten used to being apart, but that doesn't mean that's how I want to, uhh, live!" "I love you. I just don't...need you right now." "I'll tell you what you need, uhh, a good...antipsychotic." "I'll be back in five or six days!" "No, you'll be back in five or six pieces!" Or "Oh, yeah. "Ooh! Aah!" That's how it always starts. And then later, there's running and then...screaming." "What? This? What did you think you were gonna document? What did you think you were gonna see?" "Animals. Maybe...big iguanas." " *sigh* Fruitcakes." Pieter Boelen and bruce marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I've always liked Remember that chap about twenty years ago? I forget his name. Climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. When they asked him, they said why did you go up there to die? He said I didn't, I went up there to live. Reading it back seems kinda lame, but Postlethwaite just makes it so good. I'd dare say Koeep is good at writing cool catchphrases or what you'd call the "trailer quotes", but he seems quite inconsistent. Of course, most of the time Hollywood scripwriters get handed a storyline and have to stick with it, even if it sucks. Taikomochi and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'll admit he was clearly hamstrung on Indy IV to some extent, having the unenviable job of combining 15 years of story notes from Spielberg and Lucas into a single, logical script. I don't think any writer stood a chance with that laundry list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 It could have been worse, John...a lot worse. As for TLW, at first, I was fairly disappointed by the film and massively disappointed by the score, for many of the reasons already discussed. My opinion of the film has become slightly more charitable with nostalgia, while my opinion of the score has experienced a 180 degree shift. There's some really fantastic stuff in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm in the same boat as many others in being initially disappointed by TLW score. I remember being unimpressed by the new theme (although I always liked it's energy) and how little in stood in the film. It was many, many years later that I grew to love the score. I think it took me really exploring JW's whole body of work and growing to understand his style of action music and the features that made TLW unique like the percussion and dark music. Now it is one of my favorite JW scores that is always, ALWAYS fun to listen to. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 So amazingly, 23 years after the film's release, photographic evidence has finally surfaced of a long-rumoured deleted scene involving the buck T-Rex smashing through the child's bedroom during the San Diego sequence. Turns out it was even more involved than speculated, with Spielberg's own daughter involved in the sequence: Wasn't sure where else to post this but thought it was a cool tidbit of movie trivia that might interest people. Presumably this was cut early in post because there's no indication Williams scored it. Datameister, Taikomochi, 12-Mile Reef and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Wow, I've never even heard of this sequence, thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Me neither. Interesting trivia! Sasha is a pop star these days, or at least aspiring to be. She fares better than her adopted sister Mikaela George, who went into porn, of all things. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Another BTS photo of this scene: And turns out this was actually posted by Sasha on her Instagram like two years ago, I just never knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 12/4/2016 at 10:19 AM, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said: Thor, you do realize that you are the only one who thinks that. No one over the age of 10 has ever called The Lost World a GREAT movie. It's a great DINOSAURS movie. Good enough for me😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I was hoping for the ' deleted' scene of the raptors killing the captain and escaping 😉☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I would really like to see all those deleted scenes from The Lost World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 216 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Shame they never released more on the blu-ray releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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