CuriousMan 20 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 12:22 PM, Chewy said: I just found that petition on the internet: https://www.thepetitionsite.com/959/887/600/release-the-expanded-scores-from-jurassic-park-i-amp-ii-the-lost-world-in-pre-remaster-quality/. Looking at the text, I guess you are the one who created it (who else can be bothered by the 1 second of silence at the start of some tracks...?) Just for information, Mike did not use "snippets of additional takes [...] to remove "studio" noise in places" for the LLL 2016 release, that was actually done by Ramiro Belgardt for the 20th Anniversary 2013 release of Jurassic Park. The LLL release presents all the takes chosen by Williams and used in the movie. And by the way, if you want more supporters, I'd suggest to do a petition for Star Wars complete releases instead! ???... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,621 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, CuriousMan said: ???... @CuriousManYou forgot the question before the "?". CuriousMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousMan 20 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Ah, ah, ah, ah! Off topic! On 12/21/2020 at 12:22 PM, Chewy said: @CuriousMan I just found that petition on the internet: https://www.thepetitionsite.com/959/887/600/release-the-expanded-scores-from-jurassic-park-i-amp-ii-the-lost-world-in-pre-remaster-quality/. Looking at the text, I guess you are the one who created it (who else can be bothered by the 1 second of silence at the start of some tracks...?) Just for information, Mike did not use "snippets of additional takes [...] to remove "studio" noise in places" for the LLL 2016 release, that was actually done by Ramiro Belgardt for the 20th Anniversary 2013 release of Jurassic Park. The LLL release presents all the takes chosen by Williams and used in the movie. And by the way, if you want more supporters, I'd suggest to do a petition for Star Wars complete releases instead! Ah, ah, ah, ah! Off topic! On 12/21/2020 at 12:39 PM, John Chambers said: That might be the stupidest internet petition I've ever seen! Ah, ah, ah, ah! Off topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 @CuriousMan That last post officially made you a troll! And yes, it is the stupidest poll I've ever seen! Chewy and CuriousMan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,433 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Oh man, reading that pension* was so entertaining * Quote Please sign this pension for Universal Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Does the pre-remastered edition include those two awful covers from the petition? CuriousMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,433 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 And via Ebay apparently: Quote Please sign this pension for Universal to these scores as rare archival releases on Ebay It gets funnier the more times you read it, with language I haven't seen even from Bruce Marshall. CuriousMan and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 4:22 AM, Chewy said: @CuriousMan I just found that petition on the internet: https://www.thepetitionsite.com/959/887/600/release-the-expanded-scores-from-jurassic-park-i-amp-ii-the-lost-world-in-pre-remaster-quality/. Looking at the text, I guess you are the one who created it (who else can be bothered by the 1 second of silence at the start of some tracks...?) Who else? Lets see now...hmmmm Bellosh Jay Penna Shark Fart Holko... Shall I go on? 😎 CuriousMan, Holko and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousMan 20 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Oh man, reading that pension* was so entertaining * Quote Please sign this pension for Universal And FTR, I did not make that gibberish pension, period!! 11 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Does the pre-remastered edition include those two awful covers from the petition? Ah, ah, ah, ah! Off topic! 19 hours ago, Chewy said: You forgot the question before the "?". And FTR, I did not make that gibberish pension, period!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,621 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, CuriousMan said: And FTR, I did not make that gibberish pension, period!! Petition you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 40,692 Posted December 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2020 Hey @CuriousMan, knock it off with the report feature. No one in this thread is breaking any rules. Don't take things so seriously! crumbs, Brundlefly, Chewy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I want a pension from Universal Studios too! Bayesian, Bilbo and Chewy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Jay said: Hey @CuriousMan, knock it off with the report feature. No one in this thread is breaking any rules. Don't take things so seriously! Did Jay just say what I think he said?! Evolve...evolve.😍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 136 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Does Anyone have a higher res album art for 'The Lost World' art from this set? The highest I can find is 600 X 600?: HQ covers has a pretty good rebuild (below) but there are some differences and I'd love a good quality version of Jim Titus' work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I think it was posted once then taken down. There's a link earlier in the thread but it was broken last time I checked. I think LLL actually supplied it because people asked for HQ versions of both covers. Maybe Jim Titus could assist? He might even have posted it on his Behance page. 12-Mile Reef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 136 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Maybe Jim Titus could assist? He might even have posted it on his Behance page. I checked his behance this morning, unfortunately it isn't posted there but there is a terrific in depth page on the set: https://www.behance.net/gallery/57863925/Welcome-(Back)-to-Jurassic-Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 40,692 Posted February 15, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 Official 800x800 versions are available here http://www.jwfan.com/?p=9994 TSMefford, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, 12-Mile Reef and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 136 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Perfect, thanks Jay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 219 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 12/9/2016 at 6:23 PM, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said: Whats Rialto Ripples? Williams must know his Gershwin. This is the title of an obscure work for Solo Piano Gershwin wrote in the 20s. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I'd be interested in hearing Ripples deconstructed for piano to understand the relevance of that cue title. I can't really hear the relevance in its film orchestrated form. The Steiner in the Grass homage, on the other hand, is very obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 219 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 It's hard to believe 5 years have passed since this fantastic set was released. I'm still not familiar with the unreleased tracks. On the Spotify side of things I find myself dipping my toes into all sorts and never really seem to get to know anything fully because there is such a glut of choice. What interests me about JP is how roughly a two thirds of the score could almost be described as low key. Its a different planet with the TLW which illustrates Williams' genius at scoring sequels. There has been talk on this thread of different motifs which I'm not familiar with. Can I ask if anyone has a list of themes and motifs from both movies with timestamps? These scores are slowly opening up to me after having been used to only the original soundtrack albums. A joyous process of familiar/unfamiliar re-discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2021 Williams two Jurassic Park scores don't actually have a lot of themes, and many cues are completely non-thematic In order of first appearance, The Danger Theme represents the danger from carnivorous dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, typically from raptors but it is also used in the t-rex chase. In The Lost World, it only returns in cameo appearances when characters are talking about raptors [1MA Opening Titles] 1-01 Opening Titles 0:18-end [3M2A The Entrance Of The Park] 1-05 Journey To The Island 8:22-8:28 [4M1 Hatching Baby Raptor] 1-06 Hatching Baby Raptor 0:24-1:00, 1:17-end (I believe this is debated whether its an uplifting version of the danger theme or not) [5M2 Jurassic Park Gate] 1-09 Jurassic Park Gate 0:00-0:13 [9M2 The T-Rex Chase] 1-16B The T-Rex Chase 3:13-3:27, 3:32-3:36, 3:48-3:51, 4:07-4:16, 4:27-4:32 [11M3/12M1 High Wire Stunts] 2-03 High Wire Stunts 0:52-0:55, 2:33-2:40, 3:52-3:56 [12M2 Hungry Raptor] 2-04 Hungry Raptor 0:02-0:33, 0:37-0:42, 0:53-end [12M3/13M1 Into The Kitchen] 2-05 The Raptor Attack 0:11-0:15, 0:37-0:44, 2:04-2:08, 2:20-2:28, 2:32-2:36 [13M2 March Past The Kitchen Utensils] 2-06A T-Rex Rescue and Finale 0:07-0:19, 0:36-0:41, 1:07-1:11, 1:25-1:30, 2:09-2:11, 3:06-3:10 [13M3/14M1 T-Rex To The Rescue] 2-06B T-Rex Rescue and Finale 4:37-4:58, 6:19-6:22, 6:28-6:34, 6:44-7:03 [14M2 End Credits] 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 7:15-end [2M2 Revealing The Plans] 3-03 Revealing The Plans 1:10-1:19 [8M3 Reading The Map] 3-14 Reading The Map 1:41-2:01 The Adventure Theme more or less acts as the main theme of both films. In Jurassic Park is is most often used as a general "pump up the excitement" type theme, while in The Lost World it is usually used for scenes that harken back to the original park and island [2M3/3M1 To The Island] 1-05 Journey To The Island 1:21-3:15, 3:30-3:35, 4:03-4:12 [5M1 The History Lesson] 1-08 The History Lesson 0:23-1:03 [5M2 Jurassic Park Gate] 1-09 Jurassic Park Gate 0:41-0:59 [11M2 Preparing To Meet The Monster] 2-02 To The Maintenance Shed 0:50-1:10, 1:29-1:44 [13M2 March Past The Kitchen Utensils] 2-06 T-Rex Rescue and Finale 2:27-2:36, 3:20-3:49 [14M2 End Credits] 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 4:30-6:33 [2M2 Revealing The Plans] 3-03 Revealing The Plans 1:44-end [5M3/6M1 Spilling Petrol] 3-09A Spilling Petrol 3:09-3:38 [8M4/9M1 The Trek] 3-15 The Trek 1:22-1:31 [10M3/11M1 After The Fall] 4-03 Finding Camp Jurassic 1:11-1:20, 1:27-1:48, 2:31-2:42 [12M5 Monster On The Loose] 4-09 Monster on the Loose 0:40-0:50 [13M1 A Neighborhood Visitor] 4-10 Visitor In San Diego 2:28-2:36 4-13 Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits) 3:01-5:03 The Noble Theme is only used in Jurassic Park for the big dinosaur reveal early in the film (and reprised moments later as they enter the main building), the scene of Grant falling asleep with the kids in the middle of the film, and then the finale and end credits. In The Lost World, it is only used in the finale cue (though the 1993 concert arrangement was recorded for the end credits too) [3M2 The Dinosaurs] 1-05 Journey To The Island 5:07-7:33 [3M2A The Entrance Of The Park] 1-05 Journey To The Island 8:01-8:22 [9M3/10MA A Tree For My Bed] 1-17 A Tree For My Bed 0:30-1:09, 1:20-1:42 [14M2 End Credits] 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 0:00-4:27, 6:39-7:152-08 Theme From Jurassic Park 0:47-3:13 is the same recording as 1-05 5:07-7:33 [14M2 The Saving Dart] 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 1:53-2:29 4-13 Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits) 0:00-3:01 The Tension theme appears only in Jurassic Park as sort of a general tension-building motif and is the only theme from the original not to be reprised in The Lost World [9M1 The Falling Car] 1-16A The Falling Car 1:09-2:49 [11M2 Preparing To Meet The Monster] 2-02 To The Maintenance Shed 3:50-end [11M3/12M1 High Wire Stunts] 2-03 High Wire Stunts 0:00-0:52, 1:27-1:55. 3:19-3:23 [12M2 Hungry Raptor] 2-04 Hungry Raptor 0:33-0:37, 0:42-0:53 The Lost World's Danger Theme functions the same as the first film's danger theme did, representing danger from carnivorous dinosaurs (or, in "Corporate Helicopters", man) [1M1 The Island’s Voice] 3-02 The Island's Voice 0:16-0:33, 3:09-3:17 [2M2 Revealing The Plans] 3-03 Revealing The Plans 1:23-1:31 (modified) [4M2 Corporate Choppers] 3-06B Corporate Helicopters 1:52-2:15, 3:01-end [5M2 Big Feet] 3-08 Big Feet 0:23-0:27, 0:36-0:42 [6M2/7M1 Up In A Basket] 3-10 Up In A Basket 1:46-1:59 [11M2 The Raptors Appear] 4-04 The Raptors Appear 0:05-0:17, 0:30-0:39, 2:40-2:46 [11M3/12M1 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles] 4-05 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles 2:17-2:20, 2:37-2:50, 3:01-3:14, 3:22-3:27, 3:34-3:41 [12M3 Ludlow’s Speech] 4-07 Ludlow's Speech 0:00-0:11, 0:20-0:28. 0:36-0:40, 0:51-1:34, 2:39-2:49 [12M4 Wompi’s Wrench] 4-08 The Wrecked Ship 0:20-0:42, 0:48-0:56 [12M5 Monster On The Loose] 4-09 Monster on the Loose 1:40-1:49 [13M1 A Neighborhood Visitor ]4-10 Visitor In San Diego 0:48-0:54, 1:08-1:10, 1:20-1:23, 1:32-2:05, 2:10-2:26 [13M2 Streets Of San Diego] ]4-10 Visitor In San Diego 4:16-4:26, 6:27-6:42, 7:07-7:15, 7:26-end [14M2 The Saving Dart] 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 2:29-end The Lost World Theme is only actually used when the heroes arrive at and depart the island, and then quietly in the finale before getting a full concert arrangement for the end credits [3M1 To The Island] 3-04 To The Island 0:49-3:10 [12M2 Heading North] 4-06 Heading North 1:26-end [14M2 The Saving Dart] 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 0:53-1:53 [The Lost World (End Credits)] 3-01 The Lost World 0:14-end (this is actually the end credits cue)4-14 The Lost World 0:14-end is the same recording The Baby Dinosaur Theme is used for the baby Stegosaurus and the baby T-Rex [3M3 Finding The Baby] 3-05 The Stegosaurus 2:40-4:00 [5M3/6M1 Spilling Petrol] 3-09 Spilling Petrol 2:20-2:43 [5M3/6m1 Part II Horning In] 3-09 Horning In 4:19-4:28, 4:50-end [6M2/7M1 Part II Up In A Basket] 3-11 In The Trailer 0:43-1:52 [13M1 A Neighborhood Visitor] 4-10 Visitor in San Diego 2:50-2:58 Falstaft, Holko, Bayesian and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jay said: The Electric Fence theme is used in three back-to-back-to-back cues for the electric fence 2-02 To The Maintenance Shed 3:50-end 2-03 High Wire Stunts 0:00-0:52, 1:27-1:55. 3:19-3:23 2-04 Hungry Raptor 0:33-0:37, 0:42-0:53 The Falling Car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,186 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 @Jay are those the official titles for those themes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The Falling Car? You're talking about 1:02-2:49 right? Is that the same theme? 1 minute ago, blondheim said: @Jay are those the official titles for those themes? I don't think any theme has an "official" title, does it? It's always just names fans give to them, even if they are paid to write liner notes for a specialty label Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jay said: You're talking about 1:02-2:49 right? Is that the same theme? Of course, 1:09 (!) is basically the same as the beginning of High Wire Stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 Hmm I wonder what it represents then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 219 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, Jay said: The JP scores don't actually have a lot of themes, and many cues are completely non-thematic The Main Theme is sort of oddly titled, because it's only used for the big dinosaur reveal and one other scene, and then the end credits. In TLW it cameos in the final scene only and then the 1993 concert arrangement got re-recorded for the end credits 1-05 Journey To The Island 5:07-7:33, 8:01-8:22 1-17 A Tree For My Bed 0:30-1:09, 1:20-1:42 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 0:00-4:27, 6:39-7:15 2-08 Theme From Jurassic Park 0:47-3:13 (this is the same recording as Journey to the Island 5:07-7:33) 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 1:53-2:29 4-13 Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits) 0:00-3:01 The Adventure Theme is actually the theme used much more frequently in the films. It JP it's usually a general "pump up the excitement" type use, in TLW it usually is for scenes that harken back to the park on the original island 1-05 Journey To The Island 1:21-3:15, 3:30-3:35, 4:03-4:12 1-08 The History Lesson 0:23-1:03 1-09 Jurassic Park Gate 0:41-0:59 2-02 To The Maintenance Shed 0:50-1:10, 1:29-1:44 2-06 T-Rex Rescue and Finale 2:27-2:36, 3:20-3:49 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 4:30-6:33 3-03 Revealing The Plans 1:44-end 3-09 Spilling Petrol and Horning In 3:09-3:38 3-15 The Trek 1:22-1:31 4-03 Finding Camp Jurassic 1:11-1:20, 1:27-1:48, 2:31-2:42 4-09 Monster on the Loose 0:40-0:50 4-10 Visitor In San Diego 2:28-2:36 4-13 Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits) 3:01-5:03 The Danger Theme represents the threats in the first film, so mostly the raptors, but also the T-Rex. It makes two cameos in TLW when characters talk about raptors 1-01 Opening Titles 0:18-end 1-05 Journey To The Island 8:22-8:28 1-06 Hatching Baby Raptor 0:24-1:00, 1:17-end (I believe this is debated whether its an uplifting version of the danger theme or not) 1-09 Jurassic Park Gate 0:00-0:13 1-16 The Falling Car and The T-Rex Chase 3:13-3:27, 3:32-3:36, 3:48-3:51, 4:07-4:16, 4:27-4:30 2-03 High Wire Stunts 0:52-0:55, 2:33-2:40, 3:52-3:56 2-04 Hungry Raptor 0:02-0:33, 0:37-0:42, 0:53-end 2-05 The Raptor Attack 0:11-0:15, 0:37-0:44, 2:04-2:08, 2:20-2:28, 2:32-2:36 2-06 T-Rex Rescue and Finale 0:07-0:19, 0:36-0:41, 1:07-1:11, 1:25-1:30, 2:09-2:11, 3:06-3:10, 4:37-4:58, 6:19-6:22, 6:28-6:34, 6:56-7:03 2-07 Welcome to Jurassic Park 7:15-end 3-03 Revealing The Plans 1:10-1:19 3-14 Reading The Map 1:41-2:01 The Electric Fence theme is used in three back-to-back-to-back cues for the electric fence 2-02 To The Maintenance Shed 3:50-end 2-03 High Wire Stunts 0:00-0:52, 1:27-1:55. 3:19-3:23 2-04 Hungry Raptor 0:33-0:37, 0:42-0:53 The Lost World Theme is only actually used when the heroes arrive at and depart the island, and then quietly in the finale before getting a full concert arrangement for the end credits 3-01 The Lost World 0:14-end (this track is actually Williams' original end credits) 3-04 To The Island 0:49-3:10 4-06 Heading North 1:26-end 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 0:53-1:53 4-14 The Lost World 0:14-end (this is the same recording as 3-01) (the 0:00-0:14 part is a later insert that replaced the original opening) The Lost World's Danger Theme functions the same as the first film's danger theme did, representing danger and threats 3-02 The Island's Voice 0:16-0:36, 3:09-3:17 3-06 Fire at Camp and Corporate Helicopters 1:52-2:15, 3:01-end 3-08 Big Feet 0:23-0:27, 0:36-0:42 3-10 Up In A Basket 1:46-1:59 4-04 The Raptors Appear 4-05 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles 4-07 Ludlow's Speech 4-08 The Wrecked Ship 4-09 Monster on the Loose 4-10 Visitor In San Diego 4-12 Tranquilizer Dart 2:29-end The Baby Dinosaur Theme is used for the baby Stegosaurus and the baby T-Rex 3-05 The Stegosaurus 2:40-4:00 3-09 Spilling Petrol and Horning In 2:20-2:43, 4:19-4:28, 4:50-end 3-11 In The Trailer 0:43-1:52 Thankyou once more for your inexhaustible knowledge! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,376 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 To my way of thinking, it doesn't really represent anything in particular, @Jay. Just a melody he liked using for moments of worry and tension. Incidentally, in my brain, I tend to use the following unofficial theme names: main theme = Jurassic Park theme adventure theme = island fanfare danger theme = carnivores' theme electric fence theme = ??? I guess if I had to give it a name, I might call it the worry motif or something The Lost World theme = The Lost World theme TLW danger theme = island's voice (theme) baby dinosaur theme = ...yeah, probably the same name Falstaft and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,186 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I really like the title of the first cue it ever appeared in: Incident at Isla Nublar. In my mind, that's how I have always thought of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 That's an album title for a track containing two cues inside it (1M1 Incident at Isla Nublar and 9M1 The Falling Car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,186 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay said: That's an album title for a track containing two cues inside it (Incident at Isla Nublar and The Falling Car) I know that. I am saying the theme for the Falling Car stuck in my mind with that title because it was the first track I heard with the theme and as a kid studying soundtrack albums, that's how it got labeled since the title umbrella-ed the High-Wire Stunts sequence, technically another "incident." I'm not saying it's scholarly, it is just the Incident at Isla Nublar theme for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,196 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: The JP scores don't actually have a lot of themes, and many cues are completely non-thematic @Jay's encyclopedic knowledge never fails to impress! I think there may be a few other minor bits and pieces that are loosely thematic across JP1 and 2. There's the Hatching Baby Raptor material which is recalled in Life Finds A Way pretty directly. And the Ludlow material and its derivatives in JP2 that pops up in a couple cues. Also a little brass outburst in Rescuing Sarah that recurs in Rialto Ripples, but this is really stretching the definition of "theme" Then again, who could forget the assortment of monstrous growls and grunts like this that are so important to the distinctive texture of Jurassic Park. Assembling a catalogue of JP1 & 2's themes and textures is probably next on my to do list... ChrisAfonso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Falstaft said: There's the Hatching Baby Raptor material which is recalled in Life Finds A Way pretty directly. Good point! 5 minutes ago, Falstaft said: And the Ludlow material and its derivatives in JP2 that pops up in a couple cues. What is this referring to? 5 minutes ago, Falstaft said: Also a little brass outburst in Rescuing Sarah that recurs in Rialto Ripples, but this is really stretching the definition of "theme" IIRC the orchestra had trouble playing some passages in TLW and Williams had to throw out what he wrote for some cues and bring in pieces from cues they had been able to handle instead. You can see the photocopied passages in the sheet music leak. So yea, not really themes, just a side effect of circumstance 5 minutes ago, Falstaft said: Then again, who could forget the assortment of monstrous growls and characteristic harmonies like this that are so important to the distinctive texture of Jurassic Park. I can't read music so I don't know what this is 5 minutes ago, Falstaft said: Assembling a catalogue of JP1 & 2's themes and textures is probably next on my to do list... I look forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,196 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay said: What is this referring to? It's that kind of repeated note pattern followed by a sweep up and back to the beginning that starts showing up all over JW's action scores. In TLW, I think it's in three distinct tracks: Monster on the Loose, Visitor in San Diego, and Ludlow's Demise. (Not sure what the break down is in terms of cues though.) In its first iterations it's wedded to that stomping B-D-F#-D ostinato which I suppose is also very lightly motivic. A few examples: 9 minutes ago, Jay said: IIRC the orchestra had trouble playing some passages in TLW and Williams had to throw out what he wrote for some cues and bring in pieces from cues they had been able to handle instead. You can see the photocopied passages in the sheet music leak. So yea, not really themes, just a side effect of circumstance Wow, didn't know that! 9 minutes ago, Jay said: I can't read music so I don't know what this is Stuff like this -- Similar idea, but extremely low: Similar idea, but extremely high: crumbs and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,907 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jay said: I can't read music so I don't know what this is Here's a suggestion, in no way meant to be condescending: why not spend a bit of time to learn to read music notation? You're a musical person and will learn it in no time. The best way to learn it is through learning to play an instrument. May I suggest the piano, since that's a one-man orchestra in itself. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jay said: IIRC the orchestra had trouble playing some passages in TLW and Williams had to throw out what he wrote for some cues and bring in pieces from cues they had been able to handle instead. Wow! I didn't know this either. Have the original pages ever leaked, before the photocopies replaced it? That could explain why that passage is repeated about 3-4 times throughout the score. 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: May I suggest the piano, since that's a one-man orchestra in itself. Not everyone has room for a piano! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,907 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I think Jay has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Falstaft said: Wow, didn't know that! I'll put together a list showing what I'm talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,539 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 An organ is better then crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,692 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: Wow! I didn't know this either. Have the original pages ever leaked, before the photocopies replaced it? Sadly, no. The sheet music leak only has versions with the re-used passages photocopied in in place of whatever was originally there. In fact, it's possible the original passages were never orchestrated and only exist on JW's original sketches. A leak of his original sketches would be glorious, as people could make mockups of what he originally intended instead of re-used passages Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I think Jay has. Does Jay have room for a pipe organ? That's a good way to learn music. 9 minutes ago, Jay said: A leak of his original sketches would be glorious, as people could make mockups of what he originally intended instead of re-used passages Indeed! That's a very cool tidbit. What a shame, considering JW was on fire writing that score, with all the deliciously dark fanfares and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, crumbs said: Does Jay have room for a pipe organ? That's a good way to learn music. Just use this as your yellow pages and find an organ-building contractor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipe_organ_builders Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I'm sure Steinway & Sons could convert one of their pianos into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 That would be a JW-approved option! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,907 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: An organ is better then Which organ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,539 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Which organ? or one with intestines instead of tubes but I have to admit that I'm not yet ready to make photo montage of it Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,050 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: The Baby Dinosaur Theme is used for the baby Stegosaurus and the baby T-Rex 3-05 The Stegosaurus 2:40-4:00 3-09 Spilling Petrol and Horning In 2:20-2:43, 4:19-4:28, 4:50-end 3-11 In The Trailer 0:43-1:52 4-10 Visitor in san Diego: 2:50-2:58. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 219 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 The best way to attempt. Score reading is just to follow the score with any YouTube video which includes the music. There are countless examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 207 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Falstaft said: Then again, who could forget the assortment of monstrous growls and grunts like this that are so important to the distinctive texture of Jurassic Park. Doesn't this motif even open the first track of JP3? This is such a signature sound for JP (also featured strongly in the moments leading up to the "theme" part in Journey to the Island) that for me it's as evocative of dinosaurs as the low e-f ostinato is of sharks... Falstaft and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now