Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The whole idea of Vader being intruduced as a threatening overlord in Star Wars because he's sending in disposable foot soldiers to clear his way is now rendered moot. He just badassed his way across a hallway full of rebel soldiers not too long ago! Also, the clunkiness of his fight with Kenobi now makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 You're overthinking it. You're not supposed to overthink Star Wars too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Saxman717 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: But it would have been easy to fix: just have one Rebel transmit the data to the Tantive IV (which would have been far away from Scarif) before being slaughtered by Vader. There: after the slaughter, Vader sees the transmission, and order his men to find the ship which received the data. Then cut to the communications officer aboard the Tantive IV receiving the message, informing Leia they got the plans, and Leia ordering for them to go to Yavin (or wherever they were supposed to go at the beginning of ANH). End the film with a shot of the Tantive IV flying away, with uplifting music leading us into the end credits... That way we could have had a slower ending instead of the one we got with the end credits starting in the middle of an action sequence! That would've been much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Vader talks about them being seems but they're also referred to as being data tapes. Dont think about it too hard ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 There's also a line about Vader not having "conjured up the stolen data tapes". Oh well. And I really didn't like the transition into the credits. I was just left sitting there thinking: "wait, that's it? Two hours of spectacle and it all leads to this? What the hell?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Romão 2,268 Posted December 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2016 The title card was horrendous. That fanfare looked something straight out of Spaceballs, Star Whores or some other Star Wars parody. It was jarring crumbs, Bilbo, Saxman717 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Saxman717 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The way they handled the titles didn't bother me. Felt like a spin-off movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2016 I was fine with the titles. And Rogue One's score did nothing for me. It was music, sure. But nothing as invigorating as what Williams came up with for Episode VII. It was a joy to sit in a theatre with music like that playing to a new film. Giacchino's Rogue One just felt very wallpaper-y. Traditionally orchestral, sure. But still wallpaper. crumbs, Not Mr. Big, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 God, is this how it's like over at the Tolkien forums? All this geeking about with insanely detailed descriptions of plots and characters and the general 'universe'? I've always considered myself a STAR WARS fan, but I am but a blimp on you guys' radars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 And the discussion about the chronological order of tracks on the OST hasn't even started yet! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: And the discussion about the chronological order of tracks on the OST hasn't even started yet! Hopefully, that gets its own thread, so I can stick around here for a LITTLE bit longer. I'm curious about what people think, although more about the film as a film, and less how it relates to the various characters and plot details etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Well, Rogue One is two hours of spectacular visuals, but it's all empty and hollow. The movie didn't make feel anything at all. Disappointing. The tie-ins to the original film were mostly just distracting (which is probably why we've been discussing them rather than the rest of the film for a page). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 *Stormtrooper puts bag over Chirruts head* Chirrut: "Are you kidding? I'm blind!" Absolute gold! Pieter Boelen and stewdog1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 That was a nice bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I can say with firm belief, that the scene of Vader totally at the height of his powers and evil, just calmly walking through countless rebels and chopping them down effortlessly, is my favourite Vader scene from all the films. Alan and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I dunno, maybe I'm just on a totally different wavelength to most people here but I think it must take a special kind of cynicism to come out of this film with anything but a huge grin and feeling hugely satisfied. I flipping loved it! I thought it was visually fantastic. I felt something for each of our heroes. I enjoyed Krennick as an over-ambitious grunt who was never going to be accepted by Imperial top brass and Vader is finally cool and threatening again. I thought it expanded the Star Wars universe wonderfully with little touches like seeing Vader's castle (which has longed been talked about but never seen). I cannot wait to see what else they do with the standalone films. Overall I feel like this is a fantastic addition to the Star Wars canon. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Some random musings: Gia did okay for the most part, not that I'm in a hurry to acquire the score or anything. I'll probably never listen to it again. An adequate Star Wars score with highs and lows (he's too OTT in places). Film is solid enough but feels a bit messy in its first half. Gets noticeably better in it's final action packed act tho. The movie is just a bit loose and too brisk for its own good during the first half, too many changes of place and characters introduced in too short a period of time. Feels somewhat unfocused as a result. There's actually a handful of really decent cues, or short musical moments. Other times tho you want him to reign it in a lot, because it's too much. It's not a well spotted movie imo. Gia's locale establishing transitions are comparable to Williams though, I have to admit. Very Star Warsy. The dodgy CGI for Tarkin and Leia are not one of the movie's problems. The space battle effects (CG?) were incredible, some of these best I've ever seen. One thing I will say is this movie features the single coolest moment in any Star Wars movie ever. Oh and the lead is better looking than Daisy Ridley. Bilbo and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 What was the big twist supposed to be in this movie? I kept reading about how there was supposed to be a shocker in it. Didn't happen. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The biggest one is probably the revelation that the flaw in the Death Star design was done on purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Ah right. Not exactly Bruce Willis being dead the whole time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,739 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 That final scene of Vader cutting down the rebels with ease was awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Agreed. But did you notice there was something strange with James Earl Jones' voice? More highpitched somehow. Probably done in post, as he probably speaks differently now as an 85-year-old than he did in his 40s and 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Yes, you could feel the age in James Earl Jones' voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 They should have just CGied his voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Darth Vader sounded old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 33 minutes ago, Thor said: Agreed. But did you notice there was something strange with James Earl Jones' voice? More highpitched somehow. Probably done in post, as he probably speaks differently now as an 85-year-old than he did in his 40s and 50s. One of the things that happens as you age is that your vocal chords harden and thin, which narrows the vocal range and pushes it up to higher pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2016 I enjoyed the film so much, that I forgot about the whole feeling I get with other Star Wars films, like "where is the inevitable lightsaber duel" and I didn't care one bit about Jedi's and Lightsabers etc and just had so much fun and interest involved in it. But when the Rebels looked into that dark corridor and Vader was lit up by the light of his saber, I was not ready for how F***ING AMAZING that scene was. But I do also believe that the space battle was the best space battle ever done in Star Wars by far. That ship that was designed to ram other ships was so great. And cutting the power to the star destroyer and ramming it into another one was very inventive and visually stunning. Pieter Boelen, DarthDementous and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I didn't like this movie. BLUMENKOHL and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I enjoyed it. 3.5 out of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,739 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 One thing I'll take away from this movie is that CGI human faces still have problems and are not yet photo realistic. Leia look OK initially but the moment she looked up and started smiling was wierd. Tarkin had that uncanny valley too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Yeah, Tarkin had POLAR EXPRESS written all over his murky face. It can still work for creatures like Gollum etc., but real humanbeings? No, that seems FAR off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The computer generated human characters looked shit. I bet another effects house would have done a better job, WETA for example. Because we are further along with computer realism than this movie would suggest. Bofur01 and BLUMENKOHL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted December 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2016 I for one liked it, a lot. And after thinking about it for a day, I still do, and expect I'll enjoy it at least as much on repeated viewings. It's enough of its own thing to distinguish it from the "main series" of SW films, while still clearly tying it to the others. Yes, Tarkin and Leia had a clear uncanny valley vibe, but I didn't think they were poorly done. In fact I was rather impressed how nearly real they seemed. And I think Tarkin's presence makes enough sense to justify this route (making him a significant character and then hiding him in the shadows the whole time would have been even weirder, close to Plan 9 territory). I could have done without the CGI Leia, but it's just a brief moment, and I figure at that point they thought, we've done tons of scenes with Tarkin, so why not? Yes, the characters were somewhat vague and underdeveloped. I actually think that makes sense. None of the main characters in this ever meet the main characters of the "regular" films, i.e. "our" characters. Certainly Jyn doesn't. The film is a side story to the main series, and its plot is just a heroic tale to Luke & Co. Keeping the characters somewhat nondescript actually corroborates that and, at least for me, places it more firmly in the overall story arc. The score was good. The weakest bit was easily the main title motif thingy, which sounds like a futile attempt to write something that sounds like Williams's Star Wars titles, while being different, without being too different, while still being good and recognisable. It's all too recognisable, and not good. But the rest of the score is. Like usual, Giacchino supports the film well, and he actually manages to very often sound like his score is coming from the same sound world as the original Star Wars. He does, with good taste, resurrect both of Williams special Star Wars motifs, as expected. I don't think any other Hollywood composer would have done that, and I give him bonus points for it. I loved the way the whole thing leads directly into Star Wars. It makes it feel like a proper prequel, and I can't wait for the Blu-ray to view this and SW back to back. (And technically: Yes, Vader mentions "transmissions". The Death Star plans were transmitted to the fleet by Jyn, and then carried over to the Tantive IV.) crumbs, RuBen_Kenobi, leeallen01 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Ha, ha...I literally disagree with every single one of your points, Marian (except the bit about the lead-up to A NEW HOPE, which I also enjoyed)! Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Empire Strikes Back A New Hope Return of the Jedi Rogue One Revenge of the Sith Force Awakens/ Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I think The Force Awakens probably still pips Rogue One for me, although neither are particularly great movies. Rogue One is more like a war movie compared to your standard Star Wars formula, with a bit of Where Eagles Dare thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2016 To each their own, but I can honestly say I bloody loved Rogue One. Start to finish adored it. My favourite SW film since the original trilogy. Some of my favourite storytelling. Some scenes blew me away and the set pieces were visually stunning and very interesting to watch. I was honestly very impressed indeed. I was smiling from ear to ear with awe at so much of it. Force Awakens lefts me semi disappointed on first watch. I expected so much more than a safe remake. But Rogue One had such original and exhilarating moments. Like the ground battle in the tropical location. The brilliantly well and tastefully done sequence of each major character dying one by one. The great scene with them getting the plans and hanging onto the data core whilst having a gun fight with Krennick and troopers. The entire bloody great space battle. The ramming ship that pushed a Star Destroyer into another one. Vaders reveal in the tank. Vader tearing through the rebels with ease. Every death star scene, especially that reveal and that beautiful scene when they destroyed the city and temple with the very slow and monstrous explosion. I also actually enjoyed the CGI of Tarkin and he was utterly convincingly perfect in shots with less or no dialogue (but any mouth movement is still not convincing enough.) The stunning locations and new planet ideas. The sets were very refreshing and well staged. And I really was very happy with Giacchino's efforts. I can't wait to see it again. This time in 3D for the extra depth of the great action. Pieter Boelen, crumbs, stewdog1 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuBen_Kenobi 19 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I really enjoy this film, but how not?? I´m a huge Star Wars fan, and if Rogue One is something it´s a film made by a fan and for Star Wars fans. I prefer TFA, but Rogue One is pure love to the saga. It´s not perfect but it is a good popcorn movie, that fans are going to love. It has great cinematography and effects, good performances, and really cool moments. And the last 30 minutes are pure glory. And I love the music, I think it is pretty good and works really well in the movie (even the Imperial "nazi" theme). Pieter Boelen and stewdog1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 The space battle is absolutely brilliant I have to admit, which is a bit of an achievement in itself when you consider how desensitised and bored we have become of endless climatic spaceship battles in recent years. It's sheer unadulterated Star Wars here though. Cerebral Cortex, stewdog1, DarthDementous and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Quintus said: The space battle is absolute brilliant I have to admit, which is a bit of an achievement in itself when you consider how desensitised and bored we have become of endless climatic spaceship battles in recent years. It's sheer unadulterated Star Wars here though. It was genuinely thrillling stuff I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 14 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: I didn't like this movie. Me neither. I didn't see one scene that could hold my interest, the early scene with Mikkelsen in the field being probably the only exception. The rest felt like a fan movie with a very big budget. I could hardly keep my eyes open during the palm tree battle. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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