crocodile 8,012 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Daniel Clamp said: Why does Vader have a house on Mustafar? I didn't make sense to me either. And why is there no title card when we get there? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 Smeltington, Muad'Dib and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 39 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Now, the bad. Ohhh the bad. CGI Tarkin is a disgusting abomination. It’s an insult to the memory of a great actor who would’ve given a great performance in this film if it was made 40 years ago, but it wasn’t. It feels so wrong, so unholy. An example of incredible technicians not giving enough thought to the ethical and emotional implications of their work. Just cast a lookalike. It’s not a big deal. My suspension of disbelief can handle it. I would've been more ok if Leia at the end were the only CGI recreation of an actor (it helps that she's not dead) because it's one shot and one word. But creating an entire film performance for a dead actor is WRONG. Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 33 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Because he Must have thought Tatooine was Too Far. LOL If it is mustafar... could be any other planet like TFA showed us. I think it was his meditation castle to reflect on his failures... what better than mustafar, where he was "born" and he killed padme (or so he thinks) 36 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: See! I told you so, man! Now that i dont read new canon media (it's not EU because it's all canon) I understand the POW of people when things got explained in the EU about the prequels or the OT...and people said 'but i shouldnt read a book to understand a film' It really is an annoyance. in the old EU since it was not cannon it was not neccesary to know about it, but now it seems you loose most of the information if you dont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 It is Mustafar. It is referred to as such in the Art Of book. The Erso apartment in the flashback is Coruscant. The planet at the start is Lha'mu. Theyre the three off the top of my head that weren't given location cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: It is Mustafar. It is referred to as such in the Art Of book. The Erso apartment in the flashback is Coruscant. The planet at the start is Lha'mu. Theyre the three off the top of my head that weren't given location cards. I got coruscant... (it could have been TFA republic capital anyway...) I dont understand why they titled some planets and other's didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 37 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: What did you expect? I agree with most of what you said (especially regarding CG Tarkin, and how it's wrong to "resurrect" a dead actor via CG), though there are two criticisms I find are undeserved: - I thought the ANH references were kept to a minimum and done well for the most part (the C3PO/R2 cameo was a bit clumsy, but so short it's not annoying). THe only one that bothered me a bit was the two guys from the Cantina, as that moment felt a bit too long to me. All the other characters cameos (Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, the X-Wing pilots) made sense in the universe and were rather tastefully done, in my opinion. I even liked the fact that when Bail Organa mentions Obi-Wan, he doesn't even say his name. It shows the filmmaking team acknowledge the fact the audience is intelligent enough to understand who he's talking about. The SW references were much more heavily handled in TFA, in my opinion (the big fat close-up on the dejarik, the repeated lines of dialogue, the plot being mostly a copy/paste job of ANH...). - About the film being "unnecessary": well, I guess you're right, but then again, aren't most prequels/sequels unnecessary? What constitutes a "necessary" film in the first place, anyway? 1. All the ones you mentioned as liking are ones I also really liked. All the efforts at setting in the same world as ANH were mostly good. It was the awkward passing direct references that I hated. 2. I don't know why it feels unnecessary to me when the prequels or TFA don't. Probably because it's filling such a tiny sliver of back story for the first movie with details that don't really add anything. I want to expand on this but I'm stuck on my phone right now so a lot of typing ain't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 34 minutes ago, Daniel Clamp said: Why does Vader have a house on Mustafar? Who cares? Thinking about this move's merits just now, I've surmised that one of the reasons I give it a pass is because it was actually just quite nice to watch a new movie set in the Star Wars universe and not have it constantly bang on about prophesies, chosen one's, or the boring Force all the time. The latter barely even featured at all, and it was a downright novelty! For that Rogue One receives kudos from me. I'll still have completely forgotten all about it in a couple of months time of course and I'll probably start slagging it off or something, but let's just take it one day at a time. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, Romão said: 12.5 €? It's half that price over here and I even think it's too expensive I paid €12.80. But my English cinema of choice has notoriously high prices. We never have to pay extra for a reservation here though, in that theatre or others. 24 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: what better than mustafar, where he was born and ke likked padme (or so he thinks) Dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Dirty. oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stewdog1 50 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 I really loved this movie. I thought it was much better than TFA. As for the Tantive IV and the transmission... Those Corvettes are a dime a dozen vehicle. So whenever Vader found it, it should be fairly easy to try and say it was a counselor ship. I personally didn't have any issue with CGI Tarkin. I enjoyed it for what it was. And frankly, compared to this, JJ Abrams should be embarrassed by what he put out with The Force Awakens. leeallen01, DarthDementous, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, stewdog1 said: I really loved this movie. I thought it was much better than TFA. As for the Tantive IV and the transmission... Those Corvettes are a dime a dozen vehicle. So whenever Vader found it, it should be fairly easy to try and say it was a counselor ship. I personally didn't have any issue with CGI Tarkin. I enjoyed it for what it was. And frankly, compared to this, JJ Abrams should be embarrassed by what he put out with The Force Awakens. I love TFA but I laugh at the "from visionary director JJ Abrams" on the back. Everything he does is the definition of safe. Whether it was successful or not at least Rogue One tried something a bit different! Pieter Boelen, Matt C and stewdog1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Fake! I'm pretty sure you watch the iPhone version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Anyone else notice how whenever Mendelsohn's character had a closeup it looked like he was wearing sportswear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, Quintus said: Anyone else notice how whenever Mendelsohn's character had a closeup it looked like he was wearing sportswear? I thought his uniform was a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 Marcy thought the thingies that held his cape up were pens in pen holders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I can imagine Alan Partridge turning up to a premiere dressed like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Loved it. New favorite bad movie. It was the cinematic equivalent of a raucous college party. Self-destructive and regrettable, but fun in the moment. Worth it alone for Vader's final scene. Minority opinion: I concur with Quint about Tarkin. I'm not bothered by the ethical implications of this Frankenstein monster. I just thought it was really cool to see a classic villain again. For what it's worth, I thought Stephen Stanton did a better impression of Peter Cushing on Clone Wars/Rebels, but I understand that they wanted to go with the same person for both the motion capture and the voice. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Probably irrelevant but they thank both Carrie Fisher and the Estate of Peter Cushing in the end credits as I assume they had to get their permission/blessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Disco Stu and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Really? Of course they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 I now have an image of Kathy Kennedy and Gareth Edwards using a Ouija board to ask Cushing and it's making me giggle. crocodile, DarthDementous and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry B 50 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 One motif that I haven't seen any discussion of is the film's treatment of technology. It's faithful to the technical imagination of the 1970s, which seems quaint now in many ways. (Why didn't Leia just immediately upload the Death Star plans to Rebel Alliance servers all across the galaxy? Why did Obi-Wan have to physically shut down the tractor beam instead of hacking the Death Star's wi-fi network and doing it remotely?) The clunkiness of the 1970s is constantly throwing obstacles in the heroes' path. Bodhi can't get in touch with the Rebel Fleet because the communication cable isn't long enough. Jyn and Cassian have to alert the Fleet to open a special channel because the schematics are too large to be sent through normal means. I think it was totally self aware. And I loved that the Master Switch is a big, goofy lever. DarthDementous, Pieter Boelen and Quintus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 The look Krennic gives Vader after he's been choked never goes anywhere. Wonder if something hinted at there ended up being a victim of the reshoots. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2016 Ok. I saw it. In a way it's exactly what I expected it would be. Which is good. and not so good. The first half is too quickly paced for it's own good. We are piled up with characters, locations loads of plot etc and there's barely any breather. It moves quite swiftly and effectively, but there's barely any time to absorb the film. We've back in the SW universe, but hurry up...hurry up! This improves a bit after Jynn hears the message of Galen, and Jedhah is destroyed in a rather impressive display of spectacle. (Edwards proved in Godzilla that he knows how to portray destruction) Ok, what is this film exactly? Is it a Prequel? A sequel, and in-between-quel? For the most part it functions like a direct sequel to Star Wars, but naturally with far more and elaborate action and special effects. It suffers the same problem that all prequels seem to have. You already know where the story is going. Quite a lot of the events are tied down and actually can't be changed. A prequel can satisfy that slight curiosity one might have about certain things. And Rogue One impressively manages to squeeze an entire film out of the opening of Star Wars. But it doesnt seem to do anything more than that. Every new character of importance dies, and if they don't they are never heard from again. Because there's no where they can be taken beyond this point. We see Vader in two well done scenes (with his second one kicking ass). I liked the inclusion of Tarkin. The CGI worked better in some shots than others, and they even had the courage to have a rendering of a young Leia, after the mauling Carrie Fisher received last year for no longer looking like that. The acting, for the most part is solid. With Ben Mendleson being my favourite (it's a pity the character goes absolutely nowhere) The K2 droid is awful. Basically R2 and 3PO mixed with Chewie. But he's just a huge annoying dick. The direction is solid also, apart from the pacing of certain parts. Edwards has a far stronger visual style than JJ. His Godzilla already showed that. However it also showed he wasnt very good with characters, and Rogue One reinforces that in a big way. Say what you want about TFA. The characters work. Everyone came out of the cinema loving Rey, liking Finn, hating Kylo and thought Poe was awesome. I didnt really care or feel invested in anyone in Roque One. The acting was quite competent. There was some attempt to create behaviour and motivation. But it just didnt do much for me (in a way this film films quite modern Lucas in how it deals with it's characters) The special effects were pretty much faultless and certainly more impressive than last years in actually being a little awe inspiring at times. The big battle at the end was decent. Though the insertion of pilot footage from Star wars was obvious and annoying, and I figured they would crash a Stardestroyer into the shield about 5 minutes before the film started the set up (btw, why were all the fighters firing at the shield and not the round contraption that seemed to generate it?) The score..... Well I'm gonna be kind and recognize that Gia was given this with very little time to spare. Parts of it are over the top and slightly obnoxious. Especially in the first hour of the film. Gia obviously knows the Star wars sound and tries to apply it without breaking out into any of Williams' themes. So for the Empire you get militaristic music that sounds faintly similar to TESB's without actually being The Imperial March (only used for Vader, and with a weird cameo of the Imperial theme from SW). It actually feels like a bit of a knock-off at times. But I have to say that parts of it work fine in the film. Without ever getting anywhere near Williams' level. The music contains a lot of the patina of a Star Wars score, and you can hear that Gia worked his ass off on this. But right now I don't even have any interest of listening to it on CD. The weakest part seems to be what I'm guessing is Jynn's theme. Which is simplistic, obvious, shallow and actually took me out of the film a few times. Overall I enjoyed it a lot. But if I wasn't part of a community that would be discussing this film and it's score heavily for the next few weeks/months I would probably have forgotten about it in a few days. **1/2 out of **** KK, RuBen_Kenobi, A24 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, Stefancos said: But if I wasn't part of a community that would be discussing this film and it's score heavily for the next few weeks/months I would probably have forgotten about it in a few days. Forgotten about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I do think pacing was just the same as TFA. A lot of people think Poe and other events in TFA were fast forwarded to the viewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 TFA's first part was far stronger than Rogue's. It actually took it's time in establishing the new characters. Rogue seems to be more plot-driven. But the plot isnt all that remarkable. RuBen_Kenobi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: TFA's first part was far stronger than Rogue's. It actually took it's time in establishing the new characters. Rogue seems to be more plot-driven. But the plot isnt all that remarkable. Yeah in future when I own this on blu ray I might pop it in and only watch the three main action setpieces. They're the parts that work best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 4 hours ago, Romão said: That is why Poe's introduction in TFA is so well handled. The whole "So who talks first? I talk first, you talk first?" thing is a prime example of what I am reffering to. It immediatly creates an empathy for the character, a sense of what this guy is about. Had any of the Rogue One characters have moments like this, and they would've felt much more alive, instead of being mere gears in the plot progression. Story is always more important than plot I think that sums it up for me. And why I prefer TFA even though as a film it more derivative and visually JJ's isnt as interesting a director. He does do character scenes very well. TFA has a small scene on Jakku where Rey is polishing the scrap she took and she looks over and sees an old woman doing the same and for just a moment she pauses, seeing her own future. It only lasts for an instance but it does work. Rogue One doesnt really have anything like that. Also it isnt funny. I know some people will defend it by saying it's supposed to be dark and gritty. But it does try for humour a few times and it falls flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: But it does try for humour a few times and it falls flat. I think I liked the droid person a little more than you, but almost every time he made a joke the audience I was with laughed and laughed while I sat there wondering, "That was a pretty clumsy attempt at humor....". He wasn't actually funny, but I like where his "character" ended up. I thought the stuff about Jyn starting to trusting him and then him sacrificing himself kind of worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Did nothing for me, sorry. I did like the blind Jedi who wasn't a Jedi. No one mentioned Forest Whitaker yet? He was appaling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Whitaker didn't really make an impression on me one way or the other. I did enjoy the blind guy and Riz Ahmed as the pilot. They were my favorite of the Rogue One crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I'm guessing Whitaker's characters point got lost in the reshoots. Because there doesn't seem to me any in both his presence and his behavior. crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Has anyone (other than me) talked about what an amazing image it was when the Star Destroyers crashed into each other and then the shield generator? It was the highlight of the movie for me. Thrilling and visually awe-inspiring. The closest the movie came to splendor. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 25 ‘Rogue One’ Rumors That Turned Out to Be False I always enjoy these. This site does an article like this for every tentpole movie. Really shows what a cottage industry has built up around monetizing anticipation of specific movies that random sites will post any 'ol rumor for click traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Actually the first time we have ever seen a normal Star Destoyer...destroyed. Of course we should call them Imperial Cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 The blind chap and his mercenary mate were two of the more watchable characters in the movie. The droid's dialogue mostly fell flat, except for that one line where he said he can survive in space, which I chuckled at. But yeah, he was no HK-47 (which they had obviously so badly wanted to base the part on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Actually the first time we have ever seen a normal Star Destoyer...destroyed. Of course we should call them Imperial Cruisers. Really? What was the ship that crashed into the Death Star in Jedi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Super Star Destoyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: Super Star Destoyer Haha! Is that true? Star Wars is so silly. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 That's what it's called on screen in ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I didn't remember that. Still silly (in a good way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 It was visibly larger than the other ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Thats what I tell all the ladies! Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 20 minutes ago, Quintus said: It was visibly larger than the other ones. I never really thought about it. I was never a "ships & vehicles" guy for Star Wars fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 You only ever watched it for the poon-tang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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