KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I've just seen the film and it was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. That, George Lucas, is how you make a decent prequel. Positives: - Vader's inclusion was pretty tasteful, I'm glad they didn't over do it - The humour ("Are you kidding? I'm blind!") - The score fitted really well with the film I thought - The general consensus here seems to be that CGI Tarkin and Leia were shite, but I thought they were quite good. Maybe I just haven't seen enough films with more impressive CGI Negatives - Some of the callbacks/references were handled a bit clumsily, the C3PO and R2D2 cameo was unnecessary - "I am one with the force and the force is with me" - Krennick wasn't that great, but what can you expect from a villain who is so low down in the chain of command leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: You'd hear him stroking his semi while doing it though! Sure, but only because it makes you and Drax jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, alextrombone94 said: I've just seen the film and it was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. That, George Lucas, is how you make a decent prequel. Positives: - Vader's inclusion was pretty tasteful, I'm glad they didn't over do it - The humour ("Are you kidding? I'm blind!") - The score fitted really well with the film I thought - The general consensus here seems to be that CGI Tarkin and Leia were shite, but I thought they were quite good. Maybe I just haven't seen enough films with more impressive CGI Negatives - Some of the callbacks/references were handled a bit clumsily, the C3PO and R2D2 cameo was unnecessary - "I am one with the force and the force is with me" - Krennick wasn't that great, but what can you expect from a villain who is so low down in the chain of command I agree with some of your points. I am ok with the CGI Tarkin and Leia just because what else could they have done than the state of the art CGI? I don't think other actors in prosthetics would have been any better. I did think that Tarkin was sort of hyper realized where his skin blemishes and age spots were maybe too prominent but I was still willing to accept this was the same character. I liked the C3PO R2D2 cameo since it was Anthony Daniels and still allows them to be in all the films. That to me is fan service. I accepted the "I am one with the force and the force is with me" because Imwe wasn't a jedi. He was a disciple of sorts. "The force is with me" is a nice variant of "may the force be with you" spoken by a real jedi. Krennick wasn't a great villian, he was just a henchmen. The villains were vader (bad ass) and Talkin as they were in ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Krennic had the same rank as Tarkin, so if he is bland, it is not because of his importance within the empire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 He had the same rank? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 He seemed like Tarkin's bitch in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Stefancos said: Sttt...Don't tell them. I know James Earl Jones is not british. But don't tell me he has the same accent as Hayden Christensen! He speak what... "General American" or "Standard Midwestern"? Here in Quebec, we say of a person who works on Radio/TV and speaks a very neutral french, that he speaks "Radio-Canada" (litterally like the persons who read news on TV at Radio-Canada (CBS). Of course, nobody in the country speaks like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 44 minutes ago, Bespin said: I know James Earl Jones is not british. But don't tell me he has the same accent as Hayden Christensen! He speak what... "General American" or "Standard Midwestern"? Here in Quebec, we say of a person who works on Radio/TV and speaks a very neutral french, that he speaks "Radio-Canada" (litterally like the persons who read news on TV at Radio-Canada (CBS). Of course, nobody in the country speaks like that. Why should Vader sound like Hayden? Old Anakin sounds nothing like JEJ in Jedi either. His voice is synthesised because of his scorched vocal chords. Its never explained because it's assumed the audience isn't dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Its never explained because it's assumed the audience isn't dumb. Sorry, the audience IS dumb. Now in movies, they have to explain everything. They show Vader in his Castle, they show him in a bacta tank and fans come in their shorts. I used the accent thing to make a little bit of irony. Do they showed CG Leia in front of his mirror, making her hair buns? No, this scene was unfortunately cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Weren't you in the audience then, Bespin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I did enjoy the film but I also agree with this review: Karol Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 God, them again... Could you sum up what they say, croc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 They say that the film only works for anybody because of the references and nostalgia elements. And that new characters, plot, tone, approach are all boring. They are great. Some of the best reviews out there. Karol Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 If it didn't have Star Wars in its title no one would be talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sometimes the videos are too long. I for one do like their sense of humour. But yeah, Rich's voice especially can be annoying. But at the same time he's a clever guy. 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: If it didn't have Star Wars in its title no one would be talking about it. This is a point their are actually making. They say Star Wars is essentially very limited in what it can do to make the film successful and they end up rehashing the same visual and plot elements all over again. Which is like Marvel in a way. But at the same time Mavel has a wide variety of characters and setting ranging from s-f to fantasy to comedy to horror. Star Wars could potentially do these things but it would probably suck. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Weren't you in the audience then, Bespin? The last movie I saw in cinema was Episode VII, and the next one will be Episode VIII. Going to cinema once in two years is enough for me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 How did you see Rogue One? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Quintus said: How did you see Rogue One? I didn't see it. One part of me is curious about it, but the other part tells me: you are too old for that kind of movie, it's not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: The few ones have seen all start with 5 to 10 minutes of useless stuff having nothing to do with the film itself. I mean, wtf? That's the point of their reviews, they do skits as part of a long, overarching storyline. It's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: But Episode VII and VIII are OK? Well they talk to the kid in me who played with SW toys... a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... and there are Jedi and Force users in these movies. I never loved Star Wars for the war thing, the guns and the spaceships... boring. No, for me Star Wars is a spiritual thing, it's all about the good, the bad, destiny and the Force. I would have taken more Whills and less Vader in Rogue One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Bilbo and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Not for me! Bah Humbug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Not for me! Someone should do a review of their reviews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 37 minutes ago, Bespin said: I didn't see it. One part of me is curious about it, but the other part tells me: you are too old for that kind of movie, it's not for you. So you're complaining about an audience of people who saw a movie you never saw and also complaining about said movie (you haven't seen) whilst you're at at. New millennial critics. The struggle is real. Bilbo and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I'm 42 yo, I'm not really new in Star Wars matter. In an other subject, do you think new fans should have seen the old trilogy before seing Rogue One? Is there someone here who saw Rogue One and no other SW movies before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I think that series of video reviews are awful. This is the only video review of Rogue One that's worth any salt, IMO. Otherwise, an aggregate of reviews helps me figure out whether a movie is skippable, and I just watch a movie and figure out whether I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know Bloodboal already made one of these kind of videos, but here's another Whatever they originally had in mind that got Jyn and Cassian participating in the beach assault should have been kept in, as well as her confronting that TIE Fighter! Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Those half in the bag people are complete hypocrites. I can't help but laugh at the stupidity that exits their mouths. They actually say that Rogue One is bad because it has so many references to older films, but praise The Force Awakens, which was entirely a remake of A New Hope. Then they make a big [unfunny] joke about why does this film have to have stormtroopers and AT-AT's, and X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Vader etc. Are they mentally okay? That is what Star Wars is. This is a film about stealing the Death Star plans from the Empire. It will be quite difficult to make a film about that without the rebels, the empire, or any of the equipment they both use... And then they seriously praise Force Awakens again, even though that film was packed with older things returning; Han Solo, Leia, Luke, C3PO, R2D2, the Falcon, Vaders mask, X-Wings, a desert planet, a Hoth planet, etc etc. These guys need to rethink their profession because they have no idea what they are talking about. DarthDementous and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 RuBen_Kenobi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Yup that's a really cool shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Those half in the bag people are complete hypocrites. I can't help but laugh at the stupidity that exits their mouths. They actually say that Rogue One is bad because it has so many references to older films, but praise The Force Awakens, which was entirely a remake of A New Hope. Then they make a big [unfunny] joke about why does this film have to have stormtroopers and AT-AT's, and X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Vader etc. Are they mentally okay? That is what Star Wars is. This is a film about stealing the Death Star plans from the Empire. It will be quite difficult to make a film about that without the rebels, the empire, or any of the equipment they both use... And then they seriously praise Force Awakens again, even though that film was packed with older things returning; Han Solo, Leia, Luke, C3PO, R2D2, the Falcon, Vaders mask, X-Wings, a desert planet, a Hoth planet, etc etc. These guys need to rethink their profession because they have no idea what they are talking about. I think you need to rewatch both reviews crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Romão said: I think you need to rewatch both reviews I've watched both. They are hypocritical from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Then I'm a hypocrite as well, since I pretty much agree with both reviews. The lack of compelling characters and their arcs makes some flaws more noticeable in one movie than in the other crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I guess to each their own, but they do say a lot of hypocritical stuff though. What made me laugh is when they said Jyn has no backstory, unlike Rey... We know nothing about Rey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 You can get a very clear sense of what Rey's life was like before she became entangled in the main story. It's one of the best sections in TFA. There's nothing of the sort concerning Jyn crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Very well said, @Romão Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 While I agree that Rey was unknown for a reason, and her little stuff scavenging was great (the best part of the film was her scenes on Jakku), and I agree that Jyn had limited story so it lessened the emotional impact, but Rogue One is about a handful of new characters, and it was a war film, so it is hard to dedicate such time to one character without slowing it down even more. I thought there was a lot of emotion though, for me anyway, in those scenes with her hologram dad, which had more emotion and class than Han Solo's death, which was stale and very poorly done. But remember that Rey had that time to get to know her quirks better, because the film was all about her. I know nothing about Poe, or Finn. I know more about Cassian from that one speech he did about being in the resistance since he was a kid, fighting his entire life. In force awakens, they made sure to get you emotionally invested in the characters more because they had the time, with far less action, and those characters are going to be carried throughout 3 films at least, but Rogue One is a war film where everyone dies, so dedicating the first hour to slow, backstory and getting to know 6 or 7 characters completely, would have been so pointless with them just dying 5 minutes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Not more pointless that needlessly complicating the plot with a buch of sub missions before the main mission. Developing characters better is never pointless. Story is always much more important than plot Character development is not about where the characters came from or what their history is. Is about getting a clear sense of their personality, of the things they would and wouldn't do, of what they're about. Poe, as under utilized as he is in TFA, still manages to make some his personality traits very evident, in a very Star Wars'y way. Plus, I think Oscar Isaac found an absolutely pitch perfect tone to his performance, that absolutely fits in this universe. These things go a long way in making a character likeable and/or recognizable. That's much harder to do than it seems. And absolutely think Rogue One failed in that regard. The characters exist and they do things that serve the plot. But they are barely recognizable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Rey was pretty good as a character - a proper arc and she radiates hope and joy. And she feels like a normal person. Jyn is cold and frankly dull as dishwater. Cassian as well. Two woeful leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Then I guess we differ on what is enjoyable. Force Awakens was dedicated to Rey, yet we learnt nothing about her. Han was in it, and they did nothing with him and killed him in a ridiculous, rehashed way. Rogue One had less time dedicated to the characters personally, but was a far stronger film as a result. They got to the point. Force Awakens point seemed to be to get to Episode 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 You learn a bunch of stuff about Rey as character. You just don't learn about her past. It's not the same thing mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I found Ep 7 far more involving than Rogue One. Which only point seems to be to get to ANH. And by the time it does, it's already forgotten about the characters who were in this film. What a hollow, empty, by the numbers affair, now I come to think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: Which only point seems to be to get to ANH. And by the time it does, it's already forgotten about the characters who were in this film. Indeed. Both films aren't particularly remarkable really, but TFA does get you more invested in its characters. And at least you have more to look forward to with their future adventures, whatever they may be. Rogue One on the other hand, you know exactly what's going to happen to them right from the first act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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