RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Oops I cut 7m2 out, sorry Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Is that a fan edit? It's not a comercial release I do not remember where it came from. I have other empire sets let me check them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 "Darth Vader's Theme [Concert Version]" would be it. There's no way this isn't a fan edit though... so it wouldn't be the film take, just the OST version. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Is that a fan edit? Yes. It's the Imperial Audiophile Edition. See more information on this site: http://www.jw-collection.de/scores.htm (not a download link!!) 4 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: "Darth Vader's Theme [Concert Version]" would be it. Yes. Except that's just what's heard on the OST, whereas you're looking for an alternate take which probably isn't on there. Manakin Skywalker and aj_vader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 So other than that, all we have of the film version is the interview piece from the video, and a DVD/Blu-Ray rip of it (and trust me, it sounds terrible!) aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've heard that take somewhere before Let me check through all my versions aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Will said: Yes. It's the Imperial Audiophile Edition. See more information on this site: http://www.jw-collection.de/scores.htm (not a download link!!) Yes. Except that's just what's heard on the OST, whereas you're looking for an alternate take which probably isn't on there. Will and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, dillweed97 said: I've heard that take somewhere before Let me check through all my versions Trust me, unless you have the actual leaked recording sessions, you won't find it anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Trust me, unless you have the actual leaked recording sessions, you won't find it anytime soon. I think this take was on some CD or something I have heard it before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, dillweed97 said: I think this take was on some CD or something I have heard it before Nope it's not. I have every set and can tell you right now you're not gonna find it. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Nope it's not. I have every set and can tell you right now you're not gonna find it. Same I've got them all it remains unreleased Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Note though that the anthology box set does have a version that sounds similar to it. I used to mistake it for the film version, but it appears to be the same version as the SE, just mastered differently so that the cymbal crashes and strings aren't quite as pronounced.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Note though that the anthology box set version does have a version that sounds similar to it. I used to mistake it for the film version, but it appears to be the same version as the SE, just mastered differently. Call me crazy but maybe the film version is a edit between the ones we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Note though that the anthology box set version does have a version that sounds similar to it. I used to mistake it for the film version, but it appears to be the same version as the SE, just mastered differently. The anthology version is the closest we have, but it really is the same as the LP version but with a lot more reverb and a little more compression and EQ. It's essentially the same mix. The special edition mix is awful! 1 minute ago, dillweed97 said: Call me crazy but maybe the film version is a edit between the ones we have It's not, but I really really wish it was. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, dillweed97 said: Call me crazy but maybe the film version is a edit between the ones we have No, the orchestration is a little too different, and I think the tempo might be a little faster (although that could have just been an editing 'glitch' or something). I'm going to go through my Blu-Ray rip quickly just to compare the versions we have... aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: No, the orchestration is a little too different, and I think the tempo might be a little faster (although that could have just been an editing 'glitch' or something). The strings are more Marcato in the film version, the piatti's are a lot louder in the film version, you can't turn them down in mixing, they are too loud. It's one of the main reasons I know its a different recording. You play any version on top of the film version and it doesn't sync up. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, aj_vader said: The strings are more Marcato in the film version, the piatti's are a lot louder in the film version, you can't turn them down in mixing, they are too loud. It's one of the main reasons I know its a different recording. You play any version on top of the film version and it doesn't sync up. Thats what I have been doing I have been going through all recordings I have aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, aj_vader said: The strings are more Marcato in the film version, the piatti's are a lot louder in the film version, you can't turn them down in mixing, they are too loud. It's one of the main reasons I know its a different recording. You play any version on top of the film version and it doesn't sync up. Yeah that's kind of what I was trying to say before. You put it into better words... I'm by no means an expert in the art of film composing, so I'll leave you to the technical jargon. xD aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Trust me, unless you have the actual leaked recording sessions, you won't find it anytime soon. DOn't say I won't lol they told me I wouldn't get Complete Small Soldiers by Goldsmith and heck I did I mean it took me contacting Joe Dante but I did! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, dillweed97 said: DOn't say I won't lol they told me I wouldn't get Complete Small Soldiers by Goldsmith and heck I did I mean it took me contacting Joe Dante but I did! lol You'd become a god to me if you could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, dillweed97 said: DOn't say I won't lol they told me I wouldn't get Complete Small Soldiers by Goldsmith and heck I did I mean it took me contacting Joe Dante but I did! lol Well, maybe if you bombard enough people at Bantha Music, you might be able to find someone who's willing to go through decades worth of tapes in a massive warehouse, then fully remaster the recordings for free! Worth a shot at this point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, aj_vader said: You'd become a god to me if you could uh i think i have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, dillweed97 said: uh i think i have it The master tapes have been lost for decades. Pretty sure you don't have it. I don't even have it, and I horde every piece of audio I can get my hands on. If there was a film version of the Imperial March available, I would have been all over it like hotcakes! (I think that's a term, right?) aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Well, maybe if you bombard enough people at Bantha Music, you might be able to find someone who's willing to go through decades worth of tapes in a massive warehouse, then fully remaster the recordings for free! Worth a shot at this point! I'd be hella impressed. 10 minutes ago, aj_vader said: You'd become a god to me if you could I am not 100% sure but is this it? The_Executor.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, dillweed97 said: DOn't say I won't lol they told me I wouldn't get Complete Small Soldiers by Goldsmith and heck I did I mean it took me contacting Joe Dante but I did! lol Wait, so you just contacted this guy, and he gave you the complete recordings? Man, I wish this guy worked for Lucasfilm! Just now, dillweed97 said: I am not 100% sure but is this it? The_Executor.mp3 No. That's the SE master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Wait, so you just contacted this guy, and he gave you the complete recordings? Man, I wish this guy worked for Lucasfilm! Nah wish it was that easy xD started talking because a project then about a year later he said he had a cd and would give me a copy Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Manikin Skywalker said: Nice. Is that mp3 the right one? If not I have about 7 more to go through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I wrote a couple replies a while back, and just realized I posted them in the wrong thread. Yeah that was an mp3 file, if that's what you're asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 xD happens all the time Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Hey, I may have just realized something... I think you may be mistaking "film mix" for "film take". You gave me the film mix, but the Imperial March was from the wrong take. Here is the film version, extracted from the center channel of the Blu-Ray rip (the center channel is the cleanest one, unfortunately) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4TAY1QZsUSYMENTaVExWlZ1MUk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 44 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Hey, I may have just realized something... I think you may be mistaking "film mix" for "film take". You gave me the film mix, but the Imperial March was from the wrong take. Here is the film version, extracted from the center channel of the Blu-Ray rip (the center channel is the cleanest one, unfortunately) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4TAY1QZsUSYMENTaVExWlZ1MUk I understand the difference I was looking at all the versions of the imperial march both takes and different edits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, dillweed97 said: I understand the difference I was looking at all the versions of the imperial march both takes and different edits Ah okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Let's get back on topic so @azahid Has our last hope Mike said anything else about our lord and savior Wiliams' next release? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Not that I'm aware of. I shot off a friend request to him this morning, waiting for a response... if he decides to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 9:50 PM, dillweed97 said: Let's get back on topic so @azahid Has our last hope Mike said anything else about our lord and savior Wiliams' next release? Nope. Nada.Thats all for now folks. ! But Iam as hopeful as the rest of you. On 1/4/2017 at 9:14 AM, Jay said: The revised film version opening of Cadillac of the Skies is not included. It's also 3 seconds long Yes. Unfortunately Williams vetoed the inclusion for the set.'He wanted to retain the album version. It was a harp glissando insert to reflect the orange fireball blooming with the explosion on the tarmac scene.It was done as a 'fix' after the main cue was recorded, probably at Spielbergs behest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,090 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Close Encounters is getting a 4K UHD/BD anniversary release this year. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=13066599#post13066599 Perhaps that might be connected with a score re-release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 5:05 PM, aj_vader said: The Empire Strikes Back does have The Imperial March (The Imperial Fleet Scene) but the one on the CD (any release) doesn't sound much like the version used in the film. I'm hoping this is in a future release at some point. As well as the film version of the Finale/Credits. Yes. This is a slightly different version which was first described by Chris Malone in his massive STAR WARS Analysis. There is about 20 seconds in the STORY OF THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK LP as well. Its probably a fix or an insert that was done at the sessions (maybe on the same day as the Imperial March was recorded) So its this, Yoda's sequence alternate, and the Film Version of End Credits that remain unreleased (on the expanded sets) The rest is all on the 2CD & Arista set. When ever this project happens, I'd wish that they would also prepare the film version edits of the Main Title/Imperial Probe/Ice Planet Hoth as a bonus. Williams would never allow this sequence to be part of the the main album sequence preferring his own ominous version with the Imperial March theme. I just love the film versions rather subdued quieter approach. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Is there any chance that we could get a definitive Hook this year? - the 2012 version is sold out - this is 5 years ago, so one could have found the missing cues - nowadays Williams would approve a complete chronological score if it is done by MM - it would be worth it, as there is a lot of alternates and concert version - fans are clearly demanding for this, so it would sell Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Could it be a 30th THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Richard said: Could it be a 30th THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK? Why not, there's a lot of anniversaries in 2017! I wrote a special post about them here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: Is there any chance that we could get a definitive Hook this year? - the 2012 version is sold out - this is 5 years ago, so one could have found the missing cues - nowadays Williams would approve a complete chronological score if it is done by MM - it would be worth it, as there is a lot of alternates and concert version - fans are clearly demanding for this, so it would sell I would say virtually zero. Williams was personally involved in the last one and authorized the way it was done. I cannot see anyone going to him in this short of time and saying they want to do it again, and do it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Hey, it's also the 35th anniversary of E.T. 35th anniversaries are a little weird, but really any year divisible by 5 is fair game for specialty labels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, Tom said: I would say virtually zero. Williams was personally involved in the last one and authorized the way it was done. I cannot see anyone going to him in this short of time and saying they want to do it again, and do it better. Was Williams not personally involved with the first Home Alone expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Hey, it's also the 35th anniversary of E.T. 35th anniversaries are a little weird, but really any year divisible by 5 is fair game for specialty labels This is madness! If Disney delays the premiere of Episode IX to 2021 they can produce some special crap every year, because then it is always the 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th, ... of one of the Star Wars Movies! Episode 4: 1977 + 5 = 1982 Episode 5: 1980 + 5 = 1985 Episode 6: 1983 + 5 = 1988 Episode 1: 1999 + 5= 2004 Episode 2: 2002 + 5 = 2007 Episode 3: 2005 + 5 = 2010 Episode 7: 2015 + 5 = 2020 Episode 8: 2018 + 5 = 2023 Episode 9: 2021 + 5 = 2026 Every year they can make a release that features one cue never released before! igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Episode 8 comes out in 2017, not 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 50 minutes ago, Tom said: I would say virtually zero. Williams was personally involved in the last one and authorized the way it was done. I cannot see anyone going to him in this short of time and saying they want to do it again, and do it better. Home Alone: It was sold out, so they re-issued it. As they have found some additional cues in the mean time, they improved their original program. Hook: It is sold out, so why not? 1 minute ago, Jay said: Episode 8 comes out in 2017, not 2018. Man, all that effort for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Nope, the 7s are still covered by Episode IV. You're in the clear, Brundlefly. And Disney's in the chips. EDIT: Never mind; I can't do math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Home Alone: It was sold out, so they re-issued it. As they have found some additional cues in the mean time, they improved their original program. Yes, in fact, if you read Jay's interview, apparently Williams was disappointed with HA sound quality and supposedly was happy when the new elements were discovered. http://www.jwfan.com/?p=8269 Quote Was this new version approved by John Williams? Yes. He liked the 2010 version but wished it could have sounded better. So he was very pleased to learn that Fox located the first generation elements, as was Armin Steiner. In a way this release was done as if the earlier one didn’t exist, but we used it as a starting point for the assembly to make things easier on the licensing end. Williams did ask that the two album presentations of the themes be moved to the bonus section so that the disc presents the score as it’s heard in the movie first, followed by a collection of Christmas music. The live-to-picture concerts are going on right now, with 18 or 19 orchestras doing it this season, so he had refamiliarized himself with the score recently in preparation for those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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