Giftheck 909 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 ... why are we discussing the film in the soundtrack's thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 909 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I won't lie: I kinda saw the whole box office thing coming a mile off. I've seen the film twice and my enjoyment of it hasn't decreased, unlike Genisys which did decrease on a second viewing, and then degraded even further upon subsequent viewings on home media. Terminator has been mired by the previous three attempts. It just doesn't have the recovering power of other major science fiction franchises. While I feel it does update the ideas of 'contemporary fear' that were something underlying the first film (nuclear annihilation then, our over-reliance on technology now), and in a far better way than Genisys did, I acknowledge the franchise just doesn't have that power. And, frankly: I don't think it ever did. They could have made the best film in existence. Doesn't matter. The damage had already been done by the time a single letter was penned of the script. The film was doomed from the get-go by the leaden anchor put around its neck by its three predecessors, and by unrealistic expectations that it should somehow be better than the second film. This works well enough as a close-out to the story - though there is enough there to carry the story on, it doesn't need to be carried on, like the first film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 If I were to recommend someone to watch the Terminator series, I'd tell them to watch 1 and 2 and then that's it. The franchise has been broken ever since T3. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I liked T3. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's not a question of liking them, it's more of how they function as a series of interconnected films with a satisfying story. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: That looked like a movie for the video game/anime neckbeard crowd. Not interested. Dark Fate looked like a crappy sequel to crappy sequels that brought back people from the good ones but still didn't look like anything worth seeing. I liked what Alita was trying to be, it's just like many adaptations in that it suffers fast-forwarding character development and plot to fit a movie run time. It's funny you said it would be for the anime crowd when it was an anime before the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,271 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Dark Fate's marketing has been atrocious. Even Hamilton isn't a drawcard after this many years. The Skynet stuff is just a blend of things the other sequels already did (an exoskeleton covered by liquid metal from T3, a human/cyborg hybrid from Salvation, an aged Arnold living in 'retirement' from Genisys). I expected something totally innovative from Cameron in this field, in the same way liquid metal was completely innovative for T2. Alas, it's obvious there's no inspiration left in this series. And yes, I know this is the score thread but everyone knew exactly what the score would sound like the moment the composer was announced, so it's not like there's anything interesting to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,271 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 DarthDementous and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Arpy said: It's not a question of liking them, it's more of how they function as a series of interconnected films with a satisfying story. Huh? What? It's Ahnuld playing a robot blowing shit up. You give these movies too much... I dunno, but you give them too much of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Thekthithm said: Huh? What? It's Ahnuld playing a robot blowing shit up. You give these movies too much... I dunno, but you give them too much of something. I've only seen the first two a couple of times and the sequels I've seen half of at some point or another. I don't really care for them the way some people do but I do recognise they are good films. So I don't give them anything, my time and patience least among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I like how T3, Salvation, Genesis and Dark Fate all ignore each other. Just like the Halloween movies or the Godzilla Millennium series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's estimated that Dark Fate will lose a 100 million dollars. R.I.P. The Terminator francise. Hopefully Avatar will suffer the same (dark) fate. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 RIP Paramount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's Disney, not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 They have back to back Missions: Impossible coming out over the next few years - all they have to do is hang in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: It's Disney, not? The movie is being distributed by Paramount on the US and Fox/Disney on foreign markets. So, the good news is the movie's huge 185 million budget is being split threeway between Paramount, Fox and producer Skydance, so they won't take the whole loss by themselves. In any case, on the last few years Paramount has been synonymous with box office bombs: Ghost in the Shell, Gemini Man, Wonder Park, the Dora the Explorer movie, Baywatch, Monster Trucks... Even Transformers: The Last Knight disappointed. The Mission: Impossible movies and some ocasional hits (like A Quiet Place) are the only things keeping the studio from closing the doors. What a sad ending for the studio that a decade ago had the MCU and DreamWorks Animation movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 And the Friday the 13th movies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 ...and STAR TREK, and INDIANA JONES... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 And MacGyver! A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: ...and STAR TREK Star Trek they still have, but I doubt a new movie would make more than 300m worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 909 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Since it seems Paramount itself is also one of the problems, no wonder this film didn't stand a chance. Goes back to what I said about them making any type of film and it being absolutely no good. It's what one might call a 'perfect storm of circumstances', Does Paramount still actually have rights to future Indiana Jones productions, BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 No, future IJ movies will be produced by Lucasfilm and distributed by Disney, much like the SW movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 No Paramount logo fun, no Indiana Jones! It's like a Star War without a Fox fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 What are all those gophers going to do, now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 What does that mean for the existing Indiana Jones movies in future home video releases? Will they have to splice off the Paramount logo like they did the Fox logo on the SW movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 The Paramount logo won't be canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 While they probably won't (they keep the Disney logo off of the Star Wars movies), it would be fun for them to continue the Paramount mountain gag with the Disney castle in the fifth one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Alexcremers said: It's estimated that Dark Fate will lose a 100 million dollars. R.I.P. The Terminator francise. Hopefully Avatar will suffer the same (dark) fate. Avatar will need to find a new avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,271 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Didn't Disney cut a deal with Paramount to still own the distribution rights for the Indy films, when they acquired Lucasfilm? Maybe that was just for films 1-4 and didn't include latter sequels. No biggie. Spielberg can just open with a vintage Disney logo instead and dissolve into a real-life castle where the story begins (didn't Lucas originally want Indy 3 to start in a haunted castle?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 What's happened to Hamilton's voice? She must be smoking a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 She sounds the same as in T2. The real question is what happened to her voice between 1984 and 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 909 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What's happened to Hamilton's voice? Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Age alone doesn't have that effect. Smoking and whisky, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 lol Linda Hamilton "Would Be Quite Happy to Never Return" to 'Terminator' https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-would-be-happy-never-return-terminator-1274687 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,709 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Marketing for Dark Fate definitely screwed up. It seemed woke AF. But upon watching the movie I thought it was alright, no PC agenda at all being forced down my throat - just a good, over the top action flick. I don’t really understand all the bad reviews either. Sure it’s not great, and it underperformed at the box office, but it was entertaining, fun and kept my interest throughout the movie - which is more than I can say for 90 % of all movies I’ve watched the last couple of years. Trent B and Giftheck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 909 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 18 hours ago, rough cut said: Marketing for Dark Fate definitely screwed up. It seemed woke AF. But upon watching the movie I thought it was alright, no PC agenda at all being forced down my throat - just a good, over the top action flick. I don’t really understand all the bad reviews either. Sure it’s not great, and it underperformed at the box office, but it was entertaining, fun and kept my interest throughout the movie - which is more than I can say for 90 % of all movies I’ve watched the last couple of years. Second time with this franchise. The one good thing going for the previous film was spoiled in trailers. Paramount and/or Skydance need to fire their marketing department, before they start wrecking the marketing for films they do care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 18 hours ago, rough cut said: which is more than I can say for 90 % of all movies I’ve watched the last couple of years. You really need to change your film diet then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 21 hours ago, rough cut said: Marketing for Dark Fate definitely screwed up. It seemed woke AF. But upon watching the movie I thought it was alright, no PC agenda at all being forced down my throat - just a good, over the top action flick. You think the movie failed financially because people saw the preview about people and robots, some of whom were ladies, and thought, "Oh no, here come the feminazis!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Terminator: Woke Fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, mstrox said: You think the movie failed financially because people saw the preview about people and robots, some of whom were ladies, and thought, "Oh no, here come the feminazis!"? Aren't all ladies robots in some sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,709 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, mstrox said: You think the movie failed financially because people saw the preview about people and robots, some of whom were ladies, and thought, "Oh no, here come the feminazis!"? It’s not my opinion - that was absolutely the reaction. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, mstrox said: You think the movie failed financially because people saw the preview about people and robots, some of whom were ladies, and thought, "Oh no, here come the feminazis!"? Major part of it, yes. People don't take kindly to their myths being hung upside down to appease woke culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Wasn't T3 "woke", before "woke" was even thought of? 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Aren't all ladies robots in some sense? Mrs. Kensington is Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I watched this two days ago. I for one liked it. I'm glad Cameron came back for this one. Although I've liked all the Terminator films....well only parts of Salvation but anyways.... ya this was a step up from Genisys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 GENISYS allowed, is not! Giftheck and Trent B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 909 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Wasn't T3 "woke", before "woke" was even thought of? What, because of the poorly-written female villain with the expanding assets? Is that what people thought of as 'woke'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 8:40 AM, Edmilson said: lol Linda Hamilton "Would Be Quite Happy to Never Return" to 'Terminator' https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-would-be-happy-never-return-terminator-1274687 No doubt. Her roll in the film was a bit....squandered. Regarding Box Office....ya Star Trek Beyond's marketing sucked ass. I don't remember how well it did in the theaters but I thought it was easily the best of the three reboots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Wasn't T3 "woke", before "woke" was even thought of? How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I haven't seen Dark Fate and I don't want to. I agree with the poster that said to just stop watching after T2. The rest are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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