Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: I agree that a film is the sum of subject and execution: if you take a trivial subject matter and execute it excellently, its not enough in my book to make a great film. But, for the purposes of Best Director award, does that really matter? I can see it mattering for Best Picture, but the best direction should garner the Best Director award. 54 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: If you have a perfect mis-en-scène you should get the Best Director regardless of the story or utility of your movie. There are other awards for that... Nope, it's the other way round, the director's job exceeds the technical side and there is a ton of other awards for the technical aspects. The director has to make sense of all that and the script, the topic, the acting, the whatever. Spielberg's merits are, in this case, limited to having a big budget. Villeneuve puts all pieces together in a congenial way that is rarely seen in blockbuster cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The director has to make sense of all that and the script, the topic, the acting, the whatever. What's so wrong then with the script, it's not original but extremly well adapted, the actors are all better than in the original version and delivers a very good performance, the topic can still apply today, the artistic direction is stunning, depicting perfectly the 60's while giving it a more modern photography. Overall apart from the true purpose of the movie (which is to make something he loves) Spielberg only has a tons of merits. Regarding Dune, Villeneuve did a really great job but that doesn't implied that Spielberg has no merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Denis Villeneuve Updates On Dune Part Two; Promises ‘Much More Harkonnen Stuff’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Yeah, that's Harkonnen, and not Harkonnen. Bloody hell, that fracking annoyed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Yeah, that's Harkonnen, and not Harkonnen. Bloody hell, that fracking annoyed me. The pronunciation of the word in the new movie is the same as Herbert's and how it is pronounced in Finnish, which seems to be origin of the word. It didn't come out of nowhere Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I am aware of this, @Romão. It's just that I am so used to the 1984 pronounciation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I am aware of this, @Romão. It's just that I am so used to the 1984 pronounciation Oh, I understand completely. It still sounds somewhat jarring to me. I got used both from the 1984 film and the Dune 2 game. But I really can't fault the filmmakers for it Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,385 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I had thought that Herbert pronounced it the way that the Lynch version did. I'd be happy to be wrong. I'll go look later unless someone has it handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Here you go Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Has anyone watched DUNE REDUX? What do people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 A few poor musical choices aside, I think it's the best version of the 1984 I've seen thus far DarthDementous and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Agreed. Why add music to scenes which had none, originally? Also, the third stage Guild Navigator's voice has been redubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Florence Pugh in talks to play what I would assume is the role of Irulan: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/florence-pugh-talks-join-dune-part-2-cast-1235101170/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,385 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On the one hand I want Shadam to be someone as epic as Jose Ferrer to say nothing of in line with the amazing current cast. OTOH, wouldn't it be awesome if it was MacLachlan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 That would be so self referential and on the nose to the point of becoming cringey. I'm sure Villeneuve is not going that route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tallguy said: On the one hand I want Shadam to be someone as epic as Jose Ferrer to say nothing of in line with the amazing current cast. OTOH, wouldn't it be awesome if it was MacLachlan? No because they should be looking for someone who can actually act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 great news! love her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 14 hours ago, Tallguy said: OTOH, wouldn't it be awesome if it was MacLachlan? 14 hours ago, Romão said: That would be so self referential and on the nose to the point of becoming cringey. I'm sure Villeneuve is not going that route Better cast Lynch as Shaddam. (Here depicted with his own son) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,385 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I'd be OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just got the BR from my liberry!. I shall pronounce judgement after viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 On your 42" TV? Why didn't you go see it in the theater? Everyone says Dune is made for the big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Austin Butler, who plays Elvis in the upcoming film, is in negotiations to play Feyd https://deadline.com/2022/03/dune-part-two-austin-butler-feyd-rautha-1234975465/#comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 ‘Dune’ Writer Eyeing Third Film and ‘Investigating Other Cinematic Prospects’ for the Franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 The Frank Herbert Cinematic Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I predict audience interest will dwindle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 38 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I predict audience interest will dwindle I agree. I loved the movie, but I don't think its as readily-accessible as the other major franchises. Works fine for one, two, maybe three movies (and Part One's box-office wasn't terribly big) but its probably not going to spawn a lot of sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I hope they just adapt Frank Herbert's books, and probably best not all of them. Anything else beyond that would be overkill and uncessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I predict audience interest will dwindle Epsecially when Villeneuve is no longer attached to the movies. We'll get something like "From the producers and the screenwriter of Dune". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 11:20 PM, AC1 said: On your 42" TV? Why didn't you go see it in the theater? Everyone says Dune is made for the big screen. 45 inch, pal! What's a " theater"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 45"? What an odd size. You've never heard of a movie theater or a picture house?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 British Academy Film Awards go to Dune: - Original Score - Cinematography - Production Design - Sound - Special Visual Effects https://www.bafta.org/film/awards/2022-nominations-winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Those 5 are well deserved and espacially Cinematography, Sound and Special Visual Effects which were breathtaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 The movie runs on these qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The movie runs on the magnificent direction which is thoroughly neglected by the awards. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: Those 5 are well deserved and espacially Cinematography, Sound and Special Visual Effects which were breathtaking The score was alright, sometimes good, sometimes too much. Not award material to me. Edmilson and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Brundlefly said: The movie runs on the magnificent direction which is thoroughly neglected by the awards. Positive was the clarity of the storytelling, but other than that, it's still a blockbuster kind of compromised storytelling. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Just watched the bluray. The image was cropped to 2:39 and it seemed as though much of the picture was lopped off. I remember watching BR 2049 on bluray and then on HBO and the latter was opened up making for a better experience. Maybe, I'll wait to watch it again on cable. I don't get why they show these IMAX films in.this ratio. On 14/03/2022 at 9:26 AM, AC1 said: 5 British Academy Film Awards go to Dune: - Original Score - Cinematography - Production Design - Sound - Special Visual Effects https://www.bafta.org/film/awards/2022-nominations-winners Only sound? What about sound editing?😉 On 16/12/2021 at 7:47 AM, Bespin said: Anyway, after 1 h 30, I left the Baron trying to hide on the ceilling. Villeneuve failed over this character, his scenes are too short... well in the first 1 h 30 of the movie, I stopped it after. Even my husband who nows Dune very well was a bit disappointed by Villeneuve's Baron. And well the Blue-eyed Girl in the desert, after two times Paul had the vision we understood... after it's becoming repetitive. There are soooooo many reasons why no Villeneuve movie will ever be cult!!! I thought the Baron was.the Emperor? On 26/10/2021 at 11:23 AM, Glóin the Dark said: Any chance we could crowdsource the funds to hire Hans Zimmer throughout 2023 so that he's not available for Dune: Part Two? Yeah. Maybe we can hire some ninety year old serialist. I believe Milt Babbit is still alive!😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 I've been saying it all along, guys: Lynch's version beats it, hands down. bruce marshall and DarthDementous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Maybe we can hire some ninety year old serialist. Arnold Duneberg. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 9 hours ago, bruce marshall said: I remember watching BR 2049 on bluray and then on HBO and the latter was opened up making for a better experience. 😉 😜 It couldn't make it any worse. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share Posted March 20, 2022 Did HBO zoom in to remove the black bars? Aargh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, AC1 said: Did HBO zoom in to remove the black bars? Aargh! Or is it the IMAX version? Karol bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Well the IMAX version had leaked at some point featuring extra-footage on top, bottom and strangely left and right too. I don't recall where I saw this but it could even have been a leak from Deakins himself. I guess HBO uses this version now it's out although I don't have HBO to confirm it. A clip can be found on yt if you want to compare bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 i wish we had the IMAX „version“ on Blu-ray… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Watching the extras.... If you look at the story boards most are rendered in the Panavision 2:35 ratio. A few are in the IMAX ratio. So, judging from this small sample it appears that only a few scenes utilized IMAX. But, I have no way of knowing how much. It's no fault of the filmmakers, but DUNE suffers from coming out AFTER STAR WARS and GAME OF THRONES. The world of DUNE , the novel, most assuredly influence both these filmed versions. But, on film, DUNE lacks the novelty it would have if SW and GOT never existed. Certainly, that's not the fault of the filmmakers. It's a very well made film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: It's a very well made film. I agree 100%, and it's still shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Why do you hate it besides the fact that Lord Zimmer did the music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Actually, as pure music, I find the score quite listenable. It's nice to drive to. The film however, leaves me cold. Dr. Yueh, and Peiter, are cyphers, there's far too many dreamy shots of Chani, and, frankly, there isn't a single character who wasn't interpreted much better, in 1984. It might look and sound good, but it lacks what Lynch's version has: genuine vision and imagination....oh, yeah, and a truly fantastic score. DarthDementous and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Fwiw 11 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Actually, as pure music, I find the score quite listenable. It's nice to drive to. The film however, leaves me cold. Dr. Yueh, and Peiter, are cyphers, there's far too many dreamy shots of Chani, and, frankly, there isn't a single character who wasn't interpreted much better, in 1984. It might look and sound good, but it lacks what Lynch's version has: genuine vision and imagination....oh, yeah, and a truly fantastic score. Most of the negative reviews cite: - it is only part one. - it's not true to the book - Lynch's version was better. Hmmm... Well... I knew it was " part one" so that didn't bother me. I never read the book. I didn't care for the original and it's not really relevant. Oh. Lots of complaints about the dialog being unintelligible. That may be because viewers played in in 7.1 . Or, the sub- woofers and surrounds were set too loud. Or, the center channel is set to low. Watching in stereo , with a phantom " center" channel, the dialog was clear. One suspects that many 5.1 set-ups don't process the sound properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Where are the reviews that say Lynch's version is better? I have only seen reviews where it says that Lynch's version is inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now