Montre 79 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Holko said: TPM "only" hacks up the final battle and tracks a cue somewhere else. There are actually a lot of small changes in cues all throughout the movie, weird stuff sometimes like removing a beat or two from a measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yeah but that happens in every movie, standard stuff. Replacing every appearance of a theme with its concert recording is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, SyncMan said: Nicholas Buc unboxes package of manuscript https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1175955877150568449/pu/vid/608x1080/a-sP4V7BAGVbPVfd.mp4?tag=10 Love the timing of the March to coincide with his singing of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yeah, that was strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,044 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Actually, I was rather disappointed by this after all. For almost all previous LTP concerts at the RAH, I've had a box seat, and that's what I'll get again next time. This time I had a stalls seat, right behind the mixing booth, and I could barely make out the music over the film sound and its reverb. For the first time, I can fully understand the frequent complaints about the RAH acoustics - apparently they're much better in the boxes where you're isolated above and behind and thus shielded from most of the reverb. I honestly think I can hear the music better on Blu-ray than I did a that seat. After the interval, I moved to another stalls seat right on the left side of the orchestra, because @ChrisAfonso had a free seat next to his. The sound was considerably better there, but it still wasn't good. I did hear much of the music directly (instead of through the speakers), but that also meant that I heard some details with excessive clarity and others not at all. I'm sure it's a difficult film to get the balance right (wall to wall score but also wall to wall effects and a lot of dialogue, much of it more or less covering the audible frequency spectrum - Darth Vader most of all). But clearly the experience also very much depends on your seat and the acoustics. I have to say that I got less out of it than of most other similar events I've been too, and that's just not good enough for this score. Also (and I knew this, but it's still annoying every time), the music editing in the film really is a mess, and has always been (most of it predates the SE I think). Hearing all the loops end edits performed live makes it all the more obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 200 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 When I bought that seat I knew beforehand that I'd trade in a balanced sound image (and good-angled view of the screen) for a close-up perspective of the orchestra, so I got basically what I signed up for - I really enjoyed the top-notch performance, only occasionally paid attention to the movie on the screen, and due to the perceptive filter of hearing the music relatively up-close and direct vs the dialogue and effects with a lot of reverb it was as close as I expect to get to hear the full score performed live as standalone music. Due to sitting directly behind the last 1st violin stand this felt almost like a fly-on-the-wall situation in a scoring session for the movie, what with seeing the musicians work through their music up close, having a side-frontal view of the conductor (who really gave the impression of being on top of things the whole time, no matter how intricate the tempo/rhythm/hitpoint syncing got, but it's no secret Brossé is a master at what he does), noticing a lot of details in the orchestration I never noticed before (though in one instance laid bare by the missing synth ;)), and observing at which points various players started to break a sweat, started to watch the movie (surely a sign of a multi-bar rest), or heaved a small sigh of relief after finishing 15 minutes of nonstop action music The audience in general seems to have enjoyed the concert - when it started I was bit worried about the (understandable - not everyone comes to these with as critical an eye/ear as us ;)) enthusiasm of the people in my immediate surroundings - lots of loud whoops and ongoing applause when the music started, even singing along to the fox fanfare and main theme, but it calmed down and the athmosphere in the room felt good, laughs in a few (appropriate) places, but otherwise everyone was listening and watching attentively (and there were none of the usual droves of people getting up as soon as the credits start). All in all, Raiders 3 years ago remains the best experience I've had in the ROH acoustics-wise - like Marian said, in the boxes directly opposite the stage you get a good centralized image, and as far as I recall the film audio was actually turned down a bit compared to the music, especially during action sequences without much dialogue, leaving the orchestral sound seem very natural in the room and not really sounding amplified at all. I'd be interested to know how much the film/orchestra-balance is predetermined and meant to achieve a cinema-like blend, or if the engineer in the hall is able to mix it according to their personal taste... Jonny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 5:56 PM, Marian Schedenig said: Also (and I knew this, but it's still annoying every time), the music editing in the film really is a mess, and has always been (most of it predates the SE I think). Hearing all the loops end edits performed live makes it all the more obvious. If you, guys, get ROTJ at the RAH, then, @Marian Schedenig, you may not like how the music is presented in the Jabba Sail Barge Escape sequence. The score pages on that concert-version feature the same disorganized edits from the film-version. What is funny about it is that those edits existed in the '83 theatrical cut However, there's a plus side. You would be treated to a live performance of the Ewok-tribal music featuring maracas, xylophone, and bass drum--no pre-recording from the film-sound mix. fuhrsy31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,044 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 hours ago, SyncMan said: If you, guys, get ROTJ at the RAH, then, @Marian Schedenig, you may not like how the music is presented in the Jabba Sail Barge Escape sequence. The score pages on that concert-version feature the same disorganized edits from the film-version. What is funny about it is that those edits existed in the '83 theatrical cut Yes, the score editing in the OT has always been horrid. SW is mostly fine, but ESB and ROTJ have always had tons of tracking and looping. Oh, one more thing: Viewing it again only reinforced my belief that Han Solo and the Princess is primarily a character theme for Han that doubles as a love theme. Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Is anyone attending the Japan premiere of The Last Jedi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Having been to three ESB-LTP concerts-each with a different orchestra within the East Coast, there's one thing that I've noticed that each orchestra does consistently that is different than the original scoring session performance. During the opening of the music cue--3M3: The Snow Battle, there's a tempo change-- the tempo speeds-up and we hear cymbal clashes taking-over the rhythm section--2 clashes per measure--against brass and woodwinds. For reference, look for the tempo change in this video at the 1:00 mark. During that tempo change at the concerts, I've noticed the brass section and the cymbal player of each of the orchestras performing that cue were not in sync with each other, at first--either the cymbal clashes were faster in tempo than the brass section or the other way around. You never hear that in the scoring-session recording. I'm wondering if you guys who attended the ESB-LTP concerts at the RAH or any where else, noticed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,279 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 8:12 AM, Marian Schedenig said: Yes, the score editing in the OT has always been horrid. SW is mostly fine, but ESB and ROTJ have always had tons of tracking and looping. Oh, one more thing: Viewing it again only reinforced my belief that Han Solo and the Princess is primarily a character theme for Han that doubles as a love theme. Han is rarely seen in Empire without Leia, and all their scenes have an element of romantic/sexual tension, which really entangles the theme with both of them and with their relationship. But the theme is definitely more closely associated with Han than with Leia, who obviously has her own theme and never provokes a statement of the love theme unless Han is around or involved. Han, on the other hand, gets at least one statement of it when Leia isn't even peripherally involved (under his first lines of Empire, over comm with Luke). That's the strongest argument one could make for it being his theme, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,044 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Datameister said: That's the strongest argument one could make for it being his theme, IMO. Yes. The first time it's heard, it's to introduce Han. Then when Leia is introduced, her theme from SW plays first, then segues into Han Solo and the Princess, but she is interacting with Han in that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 And you guys, in England, didn't have to wait 3 months after the last Star Wars concert to find this out... SW:ROTJ at the RAH, October 23 through 25, 2020 https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2020/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-in-concert/ ...and it's the London Symphony Orchestra. Priority Booking for Royal Albert Hall Friends & Patrons opens at 10am on October 2nd, 2019 Tickets go on general sale at 10am, Friday, October 4th, 2019 crocodile and Timo Martikainen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,435 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 So close after Superman! Damn, this is tempting to fly out and see both! Timo Martikainen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 11:02 AM, MrScratch said: If anyone here has tickets to next week's Empire Strikes Back LTP concert at the Baltimore Symphony, the musicians are currently on strike and the concerts next weekend are in danger of being cancelled or postponed. This sucks. On 9/13/2019 at 2:59 PM, MrScratch said: And it's official. Postponed until spring. New dates will be announced in the next couple weeks. Hay @MrScratch and other ticket holders for the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra's Star Wars Concert Series, the orchestra gave a statement on the new scheduling for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi LTPs: https://www.bsomusic.org/sw Quote The performances of Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back - In Concert, originally scheduled for September 19-21, will now take place May 7-10. The performances of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - In Concert, originally scheduled for May 7-10, will now take place May 22-24. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change. We will issue new tickets for the rescheduled dates. Your seat location will not change, however your previous tickets (concert tickets and parking passes) will no longer be valid and should be destroyed. The updated performance schedule is as follows: Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back - In Concert Thursday, May 7th 8 pm Meyerhoff (replaces Friday, September 20th at the Meyerhoff) Friday, May 8th 8 pm Strathmore (replaces Thursday, September 19th at Strathmore) Sunday, May 10th 3 pm Meyerhoff (replaces Saturday, September 21st at the Meyerhoff) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - In Concert Friday, May 22nd 8 pm Meyerhoff (replaces Thursday, May 7th at Meyerhoff) Saturday, May 23rd 3 pm Meyerhoff (replaces Sunday, May 10th at the Meyerhoff) Sunday, May 24th 3 pm Strathmore (replaces Friday, May 8th at Strathmore) If you are unable to attend on your new performance date, you have the option of moving to another date or obtaining a refund. In order to exchange or refund your tickets, please contact the BSO Ticket Office at 877.276.1444 or ticketoffice@bsomusic.org. The deadline to exchange or refund your tickets is Friday, October 11th. After that date, tickets will automatically be reissued through the delivery method you selected at the time of purchase. You should expect to receive your new tickets no later than Friday, October 25th. Here's hoping that the orchestra doesn't go on strike, again, during the season. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,521 Posted October 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2019 I booked the LSO performance of Jedi performance for Sunday night....and Superman the following Tuesday...and The Matrix on Wednesday...and The Fellowship of the Ring earlier that month...and Goblet of Fire this year... I'm broke now. 😂 Karol crlbrg, Jonny, The Illustrious Jerry and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 295 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 14 hours ago, SyncMan said: Hay @MrScratch and other ticket holders for the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra's Star Wars Concert Series, the orchestra gave a statement on the new scheduling for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi LTPs: https://www.bsomusic.org/sw Here's hoping that the orchestra doesn't go on strike, again, during the season. Thanks, I was about to post this. The symphony and the musicians agreed on a one-year contract through June. So, these concert dates should be safe. I do fear another lockout/strike situation in Fall 2020 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Have the LSO performed/are they scheduled to perform TFA/TLJ at some point in the future? That would be amazing to see live, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,521 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Have the LSO performed/are they scheduled to perform TFA/TLJ at some point in the future? That would be amazing to see live, methinks. They will probably announce it after Jedi. Karil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,435 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I mean, they did SW in 2018, TESB in 2019, ROTJ in 2020, it stands to reason they'll continue with TFA in 2021, TLJ in 2022, and TROS in 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Let's hope that the RAH ignores the audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Bleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, SyncMan said: Let's hope that we, as a society, ignore all audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes. Fixed Holko and rpvee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,435 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 People go to these concerts for the music and overall experience, not if the movie itself was the best it could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,044 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jay said: People go to these concerts for the music and overall experience, not if the movie itself was the best it could be I wish... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 That is a great statement. I'm glad I thought of it, @Disco Stu 1 hour ago, SyncMan said: Let's hope that the RAH ignores the audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Phantom Menace is one of JW’s great scores. I would go see a LTP concert of it, even though I don’t love the movie. Of course it would be sweet if they could project an original 35mm film reel and not the plasticky blu-ray. One can dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 10/2/2019 at 10:50 AM, MrScratch said: The symphony and the musicians agreed on a one-year contract through June. So, these concert dates should be safe. I do fear another lockout/strike situation in Fall 2020 though. With our luck, Superman may be in that Fall 2020 schedule. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 4,417 Posted October 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2019 Well, I tried it. I saw The Empire Strikes Back with the Phoenix Symphony. I have to say: Less satisfying than a concert and not as good as seeing a movie. And seeing the Special-er Edition was just salt in the wound. I know we're outliers here, but when you're seeing a concert where the music is (one would think) the priority, why would you leave before the end credits are over? Many people did. Those that stayed applauded over the music. Nice to see all the jokes still land. The lady sitting next to me (70+) was a season ticket holder and had never seen the film. She had a great time. So that's nice. With this particular film it's funny how much I missed the music that wasn't included in the film. And while I don't enjoy the Special-er Edition changes anyway, when I'm at a concert to specifically listen to the score, they're really atrocious. Most of the music edits are not good. But Vader traveling to his Star Destroyer are especially bad. I'm glad people are enjoying these but I won't be going to another. Now if they presented it as an isolated score that would be amazing. mstrox, SyncMan, Falstaft and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,501 Posted October 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2019 I agree with much of what you say @Tallguy. I saw the first Potter LTP in 2017 and I haven’t rushed back to see more. It was interesting, but I would much rather hear actual score cues (not concert arrangements) performed without the SFX and dialogue (and with audiences that don’t treat it like just a posh cinema). LTP concerts are expensive and ultimately not the most satisfying experience. Sharkissimo, mstrox and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,295 Posted October 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2019 Monday’s premiere of The Last Jedi in concert with the Tokyo Philharmonic conducted by Nicholas Buc (of the Art of Score podcast): https://www.instagram.com/p/B3mbS9bh221/?igshid=zffwyqydj78t SyncMan, rpvee, crlbrg and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Does anyone know how the choir was handled? Wish there were some videos. Also, the Long Goodbye source music was actually performed live! No idea if Canto Bight was though (I'm guessing not?) Also, forget about the prequels being done: SyncMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quppa 148 Posted November 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2019 I'm enjoying the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra's ROTJ concert this evening. Jabba's Baroque Recital wasn't performed live during the film, but they had two people playing it outside the concert hall beforehand (amongst other pieces arranged in a similar style). I'm hoping they'll announce The Last Jedi dates at the end. Jay, The Illustrious Jerry, PoggoAOTS and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Quppa said: I'm hoping they'll announce The Last Jedi dates at the end. Be sure to let us know! Shame they couldn't fit it in before TROS came out. For pure volume of music, I think it's the longest score of any SW film (both as recorded AND as heard in the film) so no easy feat for the orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 148 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, crumbs said: Be sure to let us know! Shame they couldn't fit it in before TROS came out. For pure volume of music, I think it's the longest score of any SW film (both as recorded AND as heard in the film) so no easy feat for the orchestra. Regrettably there was no announcement They only advertised Home Alone (13/12) and Skyfall (23/04). crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Oh that's a shame... Clever to program Skyfall right before No Time To Die comes out though. I wonder if @PoggoAOTS might be able to shed some light with an update? I vaguely recall Andrew mentioning they were struggling to find dates due to how busy the MSO's schedule is. Weird to think that in a year's time we'll be talking about Rise of Skywalker concerts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Quppa said: Regrettably there was no announcement They only advertised Home Alone (13/12) and Skyfall (23/04). Not to mention: Evil Dead. This past 31/10 https://www.mso.com.au/whats-on/2019/evil-dead-in-concert/ 2001: A Space Odyssey. This coming 25/01 https://www.mso.com.au/whats-on/2020/2001-a-space-odyssey/ Quppa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoggoAOTS 94 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 10:46 PM, crumbs said: Oh that's a shame... Clever to program Skyfall right before No Time To Die comes out though. I wonder if @PoggoAOTS might be able to shed some light with an update? I vaguely recall Andrew mentioning they were struggling to find dates due to how busy the MSO's schedule is. Weird to think that in a year's time we'll be talking about Rise of Skywalker concerts! Yeah, same problem as last time. No obvious slot in 2020 for me to program Last Jedi. That said, I *will* find something eventually so stay tuned (and sign up to the MSO e-news to be the first to hear about it). I'll also put TLJ in Hamer Hall next time, so that might help highlight the score a little more. On 11/9/2019 at 1:51 AM, SyncMan said: Not to mention: Evil Dead. This past 31/10 https://www.mso.com.au/whats-on/2019/evil-dead-in-concert/ 2001: A Space Odyssey. This coming 25/01 https://www.mso.com.au/whats-on/2020/2001-a-space-odyssey/ Yeah! Plenty of score goodness has come and gone (and also upcoming). On 11/8/2019 at 9:01 PM, Quppa said: I'm enjoying the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra's ROTJ concert this evening. Jabba's Baroque Recital wasn't performed live during the film, but they had two people playing it outside the concert hall beforehand (amongst other pieces arranged in a similar style). I'm hoping they'll announce The Last Jedi dates at the end. Yay! I'm glad someone appreciated the effort for the live Jabba's Baroque Recital. I'm always keen to put little Easter Eggs around the venue where we can. Thanks for supporting the orchestra rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,877 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 16 hours ago, PoggoAOTS said: Yeah, same problem as last time. No obvious slot in 2020 for me to program Last Jedi. That said, I *will* find something eventually so stay tuned (and sign up to the MSO e-news to be the first to hear about it). I'll also put TLJ in Hamer Hall next time, so that might help highlight the score a little more. Interesting, never really considered how the venue affects acoustics for certain scores. I thought TFA sounded great at the Palais, far better than the overly bright mix on the soundtrack. Do certain venues highlight sections of the orchestra better, especially brass-heavy scores like in Star Wars? Did the acoustics of the Planery not highlight the scores for ESB/ROTJ as much as ANH at Hamer Hall? Considering TLJ sounds more like the prequels with its brass fanfares and densely orchestrated action cues (relative to the more 'restrained' TFA), I imagine this factors into your decision when choosing a venue. Really cool to hear some insight into the process of arranging these LTP concerts too! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Considering TLJ sounds more like the prequels with its brass fanfares and densely orchestrated action cues (relative to the more 'restrained' TFA), I imagine this factors into your decision when choosing a venue. Yet both were recorded at the exact same venue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PoggoAOTS 94 Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 1:02 PM, crumbs said: Interesting, never really considered how the venue affects acoustics for certain scores. I thought TFA sounded great at the Palais, far better than the overly bright mix on the soundtrack. Do certain venues highlight sections of the orchestra better, especially brass-heavy scores like in Star Wars? Did the acoustics of the Planery not highlight the scores for ESB/ROTJ as much as ANH at Hamer Hall? Considering TLJ sounds more like the prequels with its brass fanfares and densely orchestrated action cues (relative to the more 'restrained' TFA), I imagine this factors into your decision when choosing a venue. Really cool to hear some insight into the process of arranging these LTP concerts too! To attempt to answer your question: venues absolutely have very different acoustics and naturally highlight different sections. Hamer Hall, for instance, is great for woodwinds and lower brass but sometimes difficult to get strings to balance well. In General Hamer is also the "best" acoustic, however because it is so acoustically live it is also a nightmare to balance the movie sound effects and dialogue without it turning into a swamp of sound. In some ways the more acoustically dead venues like Plenary and The Palais are better for action films because you can control everything so well. I'm not surprised you enjoyed the Palais for TFA - that was a great night In terms of picking a venue I must admit that the venue's acoustics are only part of the consideration (albeit an important component). Other things are: - Is the venue even available when we can do the shows - The capacity and cost of the venue compared to how many tickets I think we are going to sell (in other words, a commercial consideration) - What the audience experience will be like there and does the venue make sense with the type of show we're doing - Venue capability and sight lines. Some of the venues in town simply can't accommodate the screens and sound systems we need to do them If you have any other questions about how these work behind the scenes I'd be happy to try and answer your questions where I can. crumbs, SyncMan and crlbrg 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, PoggoAOTS said: If you have any other questions about how these work behind the scenes I'd be happy to try and answer your questions where I can. Great, @PoggoAOTS. In that case, I have a few questions. 1. Would you know if concert production companies like Film Concerts Live or DisneyConcerts give discounts to orchestras/venues if they book multiple programs from their roster? 2. If so, what would be the minimum amount to get the discount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoggoAOTS 94 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 1:46 AM, SyncMan said: Great, @PoggoAOTS. In that case, I have a few questions. 1. Would you know if concert production companies like Film Concerts Live or DisneyConcerts give discounts to orchestras/venues if they book multiple programs from their roster? 2. If so, what would be the minimum amount to get the discount? That's strangely specific for this forum Are you a promoter, or do you run an orchestra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 331 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I'm not in the concert business. I've been going to LTP concerts, within the USA, for over a year. I'm upset about why no USA orchestras has made any bookings of LTP concerts from Aliens or Independence Day, despite my pleas to the development department of these orchestras in the form of e-mails. So, this led to my curiosity about the inner working of the business. I might be making this rant too soon, as USA orchestras will start announcing their 2020/21-season schedules in mid-January. I have worked in book selling for a publishing company and we've given discounts to bookstores when they buy in bulk. Even as casual consumers, we've learned that when you buy an item in bulk--like toilet paper or canned goods--the price for one item is less. My thinking is that if, say, DisneyConcerts offers an orchestra/venue a discount for booking multiple programs from their roster, this would be an incentive to book SW:TLJ. Where I am, in the USA, not many orchestras are doing SW:TFA, let along have booked SW:TLJ (again, USA orchestras start announcing their new season schedules early next year). These orchestras have either played or will play SW:TFA: New York Philharmonic (2017) National Symphony Orchestra of Washington, DC (2019) New Jersey Symphony (this April) Indianapolis Symphony (this July) So, the remaining orchestras in the USA can book SW:TFA and SW:TLJ, and if they have to book a few more programs to get the discount they can select some family-oriented stuff like The Little Mermaid, Coco, or Beauty and the Beast. If the orchestra/venues are smart, they'll hold-out until DisneyConcerts may announce SW:TROS or, at least, one Indy Jones concert in a few years. Now all this is just a theory, as I'm not a promoter. I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying, "...not in the business, just curious." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 As actual physical tickets aren't much of a thing these days, this is what my nieces and nephew will be getting for Christmas from their best uncle. I've temped up TESB and ROTJ as well in anticipation. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PoggoAOTS 94 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 11/30/2019 at 2:10 PM, SyncMan said: I'm not in the concert business. I've been going to LTP concerts, within the USA, for over a year. ........................ I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying, "...not in the business, just curious." Like anything in business there is nothing stopping people from "doing deals". Whether they would be successful or not is a different matter... All I can say is there isn't a "menu" of prices, and therefor isn't a set discount for bulk buying - purchasing a couple of concert licenses is different to getting a discount on printing thousands of books. Licenses, whether for live performances, or licensing songs/clips for use in films/ads etc, are often based on what the purchaser is going to make out of it (along with a bunch of other factors) and not really a case of "well if I buy 100 of these surely you'll give it to me cheaper". ...But as I say, anything is possible when negotiating. If orchestras in the US aren't doing as many of the LTP concerts as you would like i suspect the following are the most likely reasons: The orchestra themselves only have a limited number of weeks they are willing to commit to non-classical performances, therefor limiting what they are willing to put on. Continuing on that thought, if you only have a handful of slots, then you have to toss up what will be the most popular thing ALONG WITH hitting different demographics (if that's a goal). Constantly filling spots with stuff for the same people/demographics can sometimes go against the goals of the orchestra with these shows. Regardless of license expense (which is sizeable), the shows are hugely expensive to put on from a tech point of view. Factor in musician costs/ choir (maybe), advertising, hall hire etc etc, a large number of orchestras simply can't make the numbers work. OR, importantly, see less risk in putting something else on that might fulfil other company goals. It's important to know that the cost can be so high as to potentially risk the company going bankrupt if it failed. Not sure many arts organisations would risk that for "Star Wars" (or anything else for that matter). I personally know of many orchestras that have lost significant money on many movie shows (well in excess of six figures) - some of them MASSIVE blockbusters. Even if you see a full hall, doesn't mean the orchestra is making money hand over fist. Some orchestras can't fulfil the basics of the license ie being able to physically fit the required musicians on the stage they have access to OR not physically having enough players, of a high enough calibur, to perform with the correct number of instruments. Keep in mind that most modern movie scores involve HUGE orchestras by any standard. A lot of orchestras simply don't have that many players in the towns/cities they perform in. Some concert halls (more than you think) simply can't accommodate the screens and amplification needed to run these shows. I know of this being an issue in piles of cities. There are, of course, many other reasons too (including the programmers even seeing merit in these types of shows) but the above should give you a little insight. The Illustrious Jerry, crlbrg, Pellaeon and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SyncMan 331 Posted January 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2020 SW:TLJ in America, baby: The New Jersey Symphony Orchestra, March 19-21, 2021 https://www.njsymphony.org/events/detail/star-wars-the-last-jedi-in-concert crocodile, crumbs, BrotherSound and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 642 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, SyncMan said: SW:TLJ in America, baby: The New Jersey Symphony Orchestra, March 19-21, 2021 https://www.njsymphony.org/events/detail/star-wars-the-last-jedi-in-concert We go see them all the time. They're a wonderful orchestra and a comfy venue. We're going to Return of the Jedi in a couple weeks with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 221 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I’m proud we’re the first to announce it here in NJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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