#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,521 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 OMG! That's just the worrst thing thats ever happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,585 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Brundlefly said: It is the last track of the main program. Maybe it was intended to be the first track of the bonus section, but then they put "Bonus Tracks:" at the wrong place. Â You're correct; The artwork put the Bonus Track wording in the wrong spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 19 hours ago, Stefancos said: OMG! That's just the worrst thing thats ever happened! It is! Now I had a this track on my media player for years, before I decided to leave it off the score presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think Small Soldiers deserves a full release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think it deserves a small release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 That it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,217 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think it could do with an expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well, let's wait till Monday. Last chance for a few awesome anniversary titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 3 Halloween titles? - Leviathan - The Haunting - The Final Conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,171 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Why would you leave out The Other? Twilight Time already did the restoration work on that one for their isolated score track...what's the holdup, Varese???!! Â and while they're at it they could remaster Mephisto Waltz and add the sweeteners missing from their otherwise complete release. Â Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Display Name said: 3 Halloween titles? - Leviathan - The Haunting - The Final Conflict Fuck Halloween! Air Force One and Small Soldiers are more important! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The Haunting is more important. There are great-sounding boots out for the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,171 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The Small Soldiers boot is apparently not at all complete. The two Flint scores and The Other have good sounding isolated score tracks thanks to Twilight Time but those unfortunately do contain microedits in some cues. Rudy, L.A. Confidential, and Hollow Man received isolated scores (the latter with commentary) on DVD, but those are unfortunately in compressed audio so we really do still need DEs for them.  Of the remaining unexpanded Varese-controlled titles...  There is no boot at all (to my knowledge)  for The Final Conflict, Leviathan, Love Field, Medicine Man, Malice, Angie, City Hall, U.S. Marshals, The Haunting...or Mr. Baseball, if anyone's interested in that one  I think there may be a boot (I don't have it) of Mom and Dad Save the World albeit in poor sound. Same goes for Matinee, though I find the sound acceptable enough.  There are actually only good sounding complete boots for Air Force One, The 13th Warrior, Along Came A Spider, Timeline, and Looney Tunes...and I think that last one might also be lossy like the DVD iso tracks. I guess those are legitimately lower priority but I still want them all of course!  Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 444 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The boot for 13th Warrior sounds great but it's missing percussion overlays for "Valhalla/Viking Victory", added in the final mix of the film. Â Ideally a complete set would hold Goldsmith's score plus Graeme Revell's rejected score. Â And even more ideally, John McTiernan's original cut would be released on Blu-ray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 That would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 10 hours ago, publicist said: The Haunting is more important. There are great-sounding boots out for the others. I have never and I will never buy boots, so this is really no criteria! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I don't buy bootlegs, I download them for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,521 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, The Doctor said: I don't buy bootlegs, I download them for free. Â Me too! I do not want to support the heinous practice of bootlegging by buying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Me too! I do not want to support the heinous practice of bootlegging by buying them. Surprisingly, this makes sense. Â Especially nowadays, I can truly relinquish boots. They're often so stupidly compiled, so why grappling with it. Just wait and an official release is even more delightful when you haven't already had an almost complete version of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,169 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I kept my fake 2000 2-CD edition of ID4 because it has some great arrangements that weren't on the LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It helps you to correct ludicrous cross-fades on Deluxe Editions...which are numerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 I prefer a few cross-fades over tons of 10-second-tracks. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Not bad ones, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 What are bad ones, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Sum of all Fears, The Edge, Executive Decision, Insurrection, from the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,370 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I didn't scroll up and thus assumed for a moment that you thought The Edge was a bad score. I was then going to express relief that it turned out I wasn't the only one who never got the love for that one. Then I scrolled up and...oh, yeah, nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 8 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I didn't scroll up and thus assumed for a moment that you thought The Edge was a bad score. I was then going to express relief that it turned out I wasn't the only one who never got the love for that one. Then I scrolled up and...oh, yeah, nevermind. I for example am not the biggest fan of it. I enjoy it, but it is much more popular among JG fans than I would have assumed.  @publicist and @kaseykockroach, would you like to reconsider your Top 3, since we just got The Haunting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 On 28.10.2017 at 6:40 PM, Brundlefly said: Fuck Halloween! Air Force One and Small Soldiers are more important! I know. But they didn't fuck Halloween as you can see. 14 hours ago, Brundlefly said: @publicist and @kaseykockroach, would you like to reconsider your Top 3, since we just got The Haunting? This is gonna be pretty complicated, when Air Force One will be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 On 31.10.2017 at 10:41 AM, Display Name said: This is gonna be pretty complicated, when Air Force One will be out. When Air Force One is released I will start a new poll. It will be interesting to see where all the votes will go then. Even I don't know what my third vote would be then. It would have been The Haunting, but well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,171 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If anyone is curious how a similar poll I created shook out on the FSM board: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=114138&forumID=1&archive=0 Â "The clear #1 winner: SMALL SOLDIERS, with 29 votes! I think Varese has gotten a loud and clear message about what score people want next.In solid 2nd place, AIR FORCE ONE with 23 votes. (Some people wanted Randy Newman's rejected score to be included and some people didn't care.)3rd place surprised me as I find it a fairly generic action effort and I had no idea it was so beloved, but I'm guessing the brevity of the original album is playing a major role in people wanting more: U.S. MARSHALS with 19 votes.We then have a TIE at 4th place with LEVIATHAN and THE 13TH WARRIOR at 15 votes. (If the latter is released multiple people have expressed interest in Graeme Revell's rejected score being included.)Right behind them at 5th place we have the first "Classic Jerry" score on the rankings: THE OTHER (14 votes).The rest of the titles received under 10 votes each, ranked as follows:8 votes each: THE MEPHISTO WALTZ and HOLLOW MAN7 votes each: PLANET OF THE APES, THE OMEN, MATINEE, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL, THE HAUNTING, and TIMELINE6 votes each: THE FINAL CONFLICT, MOM AND DAD SAVE THE WORLD, and MEDICINE MAN5 votes each: OUR MAN FLINT, IN LIKE FLINT, RUDY, and ALONG CAME A SPIDER4 votes each: RAGGEDY MAN, LIONHEART, and LOONEY TUNES: BACK IN ACTION1 vote each: MALICE and ANGIEThe only Varese-controlled titles which no one voted for were LOVE FIELD, CITY HALL, and MR. BASEBALL...though I would point out that in this thread and others, people have recently asked for expanded editions of all three of these even though they aren't as high of a priority as other titles.City Hall Complete Score Breakdown (about 12 minutes of missing music estimated):Â http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110759&forumID=1&archive=0Love Field (not a breakdown but discussion of a key highlight cue which is missing on CD):Â http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=114459&forumID=1&archive=0Well, this was a fun exercise with some surprises. Thanks to everyone who participated!" Â Interestingly, the two scores released in complete form by Varese since then were The Omen and The Haunting, both of which only received 7 votes. Eight scores were more popular requests than those two, some of them with considerably more votes! Â My current top three wants are The Other, Medicine Man, and Mom and Dad Save the World. Not the most popular picks, but I find them far more interesting and varied than the "autopilot" surface-level 90s action scores like U.S. Marshals and Air Force One, good as they are (and as much unreleased music as they have). Â Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 The two most wanted scores still peak out in each poll. Go for it Varese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,171 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I'd be shocked if they didn't have plans in the cards for both scores. Perhaps just trickier/slower to do for whatever reason. But I'm confident they both will happen. Let's not forget they've already deluxified other Dante scores (Gremlins 2 and The 'Burbs) so I'm sure they'll get to Small Soldiers. Â Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I'd be shocked if they didn't have plans in the cards for both scores. Perhaps just trickier/slower to do for whatever reason. But I'm confident they both will happen. Let's not forget they've already deluxified other Dante scores (Gremlins 2 and The 'Burbs) so I'm sure they'll get to Small Soldiers. Â Yavar Do you know, are there any complete score breakdowns? I just know there's a lot missing, but not exactly what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 7:38 PM, Baby Jane Hudson said: I kept my fake 2000 2-CD edition of ID4 because it has some great arrangements that weren't on the LLL. Â LLL's 2CD version is just fine, but still missing the film version of Target Remains and annoyingly crams Dad's a Genius at the end of The Death of Marilyn. There needs to be a space there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,169 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, The Doctor said:  LLL's 2CD version is just fine, but still missing the film version of Target Remains and annoyingly crams Dad's a Genius at the end of The Death of Marilyn. There needs to be a space there.  The 2000 version has the complete 13 minute final battle music that Arnold originally composed in one single track. Yeah yeah all that music is on the LLL, but I still like hearing it all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Before the bootleg, the only way to hear the "film version" of The Day We Fight Back was that ridiculous recording on The Towering Inferno and Other Disaster Classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 There are many funny instances in the movie where I think "why the hell isn't it on the OST?". But how much and what is exactly missing is beyond my knowledge. Is the whole score really 90 minutes and more? Â BTW, I'm talking about Small Soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Filmtracks states that it has 60 minutes missing. But they also claimed that Lionheart is still not complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 30.10.2017 at 8:17 AM, publicist said: Sum of all Fears, The Edge, Executive Decision, Insurrection, from the top of my head. Okay, I have to ask again. Which transitions are you especially refering to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,412 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I can only speak for The Edge but there are definitely some joined cues in there which really shouldn't be joined.  I feel it might've been a phase for the album producers because I haven't noticed it in the last few years. Wyatt Earp has the same problem - some cues that aren't related or joined in the film are slightly cross-faded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,585 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The specialty labels have to combine shorter cues into one track often because its actually more expensive for them to put them each in their own track and they have limited money to fund all these releases. Â Of course, crossfading them over each other or not within the track is still an option they don't have to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,412 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yeah I know about combining into longer tracks. The problem as you said, is cross-fading. One doesn't mandate the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,585 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yep  I'm very happy the shorter cues inside tracks on ID4 are not crossfaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 But if it works musically who cares? The Burbs for example would definitely play better with a few more cues joined together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,585 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The crossfades on some specialty label albums do not work musically. Some do, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Could someone please call one certain example, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 444 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 OK. It's not Goldsmith, but since you insist, I will recall a few examples off the top of my head. In The Fugitive set, the most egregious crossfades were joining "The Hand" with "The Hunt/The Tow Truck", "Kimble Calls His Lawyer" with "No Press", and "Cheap Hotel" with "Sykes' Apartment". The fact that they existed was bad enough, but what really ground my gears was that the transitions between those cues were not in the same key, making for sour notes.  And on the Beverly Hills Cop II release, combining "Jeffrey Calls Todd" with "Lutz Calls Jeffrey" was unnecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Okay, I had never a crossfade on any Goldsmith expansion making for sour notes, but this sounds really shitty. Wasn't thid release fucked up anyway because of the non-existing dynamic range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Half of the inner cues in The Edge or Sum of All fears, i. e. Do It! / I'll Go / The Bomb, Thanks A Lot / That Went Well, Shoot Him / Changes, Clear The Stadium (Film Version) / Not The Russians / Man Your Aircraft etc. Usually 'braver' edits work better, i.e. cutting off dead air, joining at crescendos where you can't really hear it and so on. I get why the don't do this creative editing - the eternal ire of anal fans - but musically this would work a hell lot better than just crossfading soft endings into soft openings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,412 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 hours ago, Jay said: The crossfades on some specialty label albums do not work musically. Some do, of course.  I'm going to be less charitable and suggest that most cross-fading doesn't work on these releases. It feels like it's an attempt to be creative by the producer where it's not needed.  It also feels like a symptom of the problem you've already described where the label's costs are lower if they combine tracks, something which makes no sense at all. (it feels ludicrous to me to suggest that release costs should be based on anything other than the overall length) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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