crumbs 14,314 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Yes, it's an excellent album. One of his better OST presentations. Would love to hear the film score as intended though. It's a gorgeous score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Incanus said: I found this info in some of my old docs regarding the break-down of the tracks on the OST (done by someone else): OST track number + Cue number + cue name 1. 15m3 End Credit 2. 1m5 Young Dali Lama (Cue B) + the percussion and chanting at the end 3. 1m3 (insert) Leaving Ingrid (old Cue A) 4. 1m3A The Rescue of Peter 5m5A Escaping the Bandits: bars 1-41 13m2 The Tibetan Defeat 5. 3m1 Transported to Prison 5m6 Horsemeat and Rescue 3m7 The Second Escape 6. 13m1 Preparing the Defense 3m11 Stealing Food 11m9A The Generals Enter 13m3 The Chinese Takeover 7. 1m5 Young Dali Lama 11m4 Prophetic Dream 8. No Cue # The Child of Tibet 9. 7m1AX The Capitol City 1m7 Meeting the Sherpa: bars 1-23 1m3 Leaving Ingrid: bars 10-41 5m2 Sixty-Eight Kilometers: bars 9-end 10. 7m3 Western Clothes: bars 1-20 9m3 Meeting the Dali 11. 13m11 The Dali Lama Investiture 5m5 Heinrich's Slow Growth (bars 1-14m bars 9-112) 12. 11m10 Praying Through Telescope 3m4 The Barbed Wire Scene 9m1 Thinking by the Water 13. 15m2 Regaining a Son (New) 14. 15m3 End Credit I actually edited the OST into this chronological configuration (more or less by ear making guesses where one cue ends and another begins if it is not clear) and it is in typical film music fashion full of many short cues. I think as with e.g. Angela's Ashes Williams opted to combine shorter cues to create a better listening experience with lengthier pieces edited together with their own dramatic arcs. But then again as a John Williams fanatic I would not say no to a complete chronological score release of this gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 58 minutes ago, Incanus said: Btw the Leaving Ingrid film version is on the OST, edited into the middle section of track 9. I found this info in some of my old docs regarding the break-down of the tracks on the OST (done by someone else): OST track number + Cue number + cue name 1. 15m3 End Credit 2. 1m5 Young Dali Lama (Cue B) + the percussion and chanting at the end 3. 1m3 (insert) Leaving Ingrid (old Cue A) 4. 1m3A The Rescue of Peter 5m5A Escaping the Bandits: bars 1-41 13m2 The Tibetan Defeat 5. 3m1 Transported to Prison 5m6 Horsemeat and Rescue 3m7 The Second Escape 6. 13m1 Preparing the Defense 3m11 Stealing Food 11m9A The Generals Enter 13m3 The Chinese Takeover 7. 1m5 Young Dali Lama 11m4 Prophetic Dream 8. No Cue # The Child of Tibet 9. 7m1AX The Capitol City 1m7 Meeting the Sherpa: bars 1-23 1m3 Leaving Ingrid: bars 10-41 5m2 Sixty-Eight Kilometers: bars 9-end 10. 7m3 Western Clothes: bars 1-20 9m3 Meeting the Dali 11. 13m11 The Dali Lama Investiture 5m5 Heinrich's Slow Growth (bars 1-14m bars 9-112) 12. 11m10 Praying Through Telescope 3m4 The Barbed Wire Scene 9m1 Thinking by the Water 13. 15m2 Regaining a Son (New) 14. 15m3 End Credit What an absolute mess! And it works so well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Does anyone know if most of the source music was recorded by Williams for the film, or if they just licenced existing recordings instead? Holko identified quite a healthy list of credited music in the end titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Didn't need much identification, I just watched the movie and made screenshots of the credits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: @BrotherSound's new strategy for finding cues in film order could certainly come in handy here. Alas, the repertoire databases don’t have any information about the film cues for Seven Years in Tibet. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Thanks for checking mate. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 38 minutes ago, crumbs said: Does anyone know if most of the source music was recorded by Williams for the film, or if they just licenced existing recordings instead? Holko identified quite a healthy list of credited music in the end titles. I would hazard a guess that Williams didn't record much of the source music but rather integrated it or wrote around it, e.g. all the deep brass mimicking the Tibetan horn drones heard in the film. If I recall correctly, it has been some time since I have seen the film, some of Williams' film cues were replaced by the Tibetan source music in the final film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 When I heard Memoirs of a Geisha for the first time the main theme sounded already very familiar to me. I didn't know why. When I recently listened again to Seven Years in Tibet I realized why. Partly the more ethnic music in the score is very very close to Sayuri's Theme. When you leave out the "Love Story" variation the scores are very similar musically in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Wouldn't the film's IMDB page show all the same source music information that the end credits do? Why are screenshots needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted June 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2021 My favorite thing about this score is the brief, original appearance of the melody that would later be expanded into Elegy. I love that piece so much and finding out that it started as a one-off melody in this score was a real treat. MaxMovieMan, Taikomochi, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 So based on the complete cue list here, does that mean all the music in the opening sequence of the film is not actually Williams? Quite disappointing if so, because it's very atmospheric and sets the mood nicely. The cue list indicates 1m3 is the first cue of the score, for a scene that follows the one above. Quote 1m3 Leaving Ingrid (Cue A) 1m3 (Insert) Leaving Ingrid (old Cue A)1m3A The Rescue of Peter1m41m5 Young Dali Lama (Cue B)1m7 Meeting the Sherpa3m1 Transported to Prison3m2 Alone In Prison3m4 The Barbed Wire Scene (Cue C)3m6A The Escape3m7-Long The Second Escape3m11 Stealing Food5m2 Sixty-Eight Kilometers5m5 Heinrich’s Slow Growth (Cue E)5m5A Escaping the Bandits5m6 Horsemeat and Rescue7m1AX The Capitol City7m3 Western Clothes7m5 Peter and Pema9m1 Thinking by the Water9m3 Meeting the Dali11m4 Prophetic Dream11m9A The Generals Enter11m10 Praying Through A Telescope13m1 Prepraring the Defense13m2 The Tibetan Defeat13m3 The Chinese Takeover13m11 The Dali Lama’s Investiture15m2 Regaining A Son (new)15m3 End Credits Begs the question why Williams didn't compose an original piece for the very opening of the film. Has anyone ever worked out how much music is actually missing from the OST? I suspected a lot after watching the film, but if most of the Tibetan music is non-JW then there might not be much missing after all. Based on how short the cue list is, it seems the OST is more comprehensive than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 hours ago, crumbs said: So based on the complete cue list here, does that mean all the music in the opening sequence of the film is not actually Williams? I believe that list only contains cues used for the OST and isn’t actually complete. And unfortunately, the repertoire databases don’t seem to have any cue information for this score. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: I believe that list only contains cues used for the OST and isn’t actually complete. And unfortunately, the repertoire databases don’t seem to have any cue information for this score. That's a shame. So we have no real idea of what exists in the vaults for this score? Maybe it'll be an Eiger Sanction scenario, where an expansion reveals a treasure-trove of unreleased, unused goodies. After watching the film, the score jumped quite high on my list of most-wanted expansions. Hopefully Sony isn't a roadblock to licensing this one. And the film's 25th Anniversary is next year, seems a good excuse for one of the labels to revisit it! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Thanks for the reminder that I hadn’t listened to this score for far too long, so I’m doing so now. Incidentally, the HMV price tag is still on my CD from 1997. According to an inflation calculator, in 2021 money, I paid the equivalent of £30 for it! It puts into context our complaints about the prices of expansions from the specialist labels… Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 11/10/21 at 11:45 PM, crumbs said: That's a shame. So we have no real idea of what exists in the vaults for this score? Maybe it'll be an Eiger Sanction scenario, where an expansion reveals a treasure-trove of unreleased, unused goodies. Found an entry for something called “Gongs” by David Arthur Fanshawe, which is listed as used in the film in the SABAM database. Maybe this is that main title music? https://eservices.sabam.be/pls/apex/f?p=1050:2::::RP,2:P2_WRK_ID,P2_WRK_ID_AV:4095769,NULL&cs=3dZ3X2Gp51Tb6iBngTlA8htPatrvdy2U071UG-aN_5J0APUQ7-2-EWuhRnUaoA6jt_MdkfnTUei7zAD6sQTSglA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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