Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The BBC, last Thursday night, didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 @Richard A few highlights: - I'm an entertainer, not a film composer. - Pirates of the Caribbean are rock and roll scores. - For Angels and Demons, I wiped my slate completely clean. - I'm not interested in what the focus groups think about my scores, only big audiences matter. - My suites are like diaries, they're not supposed to be perfect pieces of music. - In the third act of every score, I always try to come up with something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: - Pirates of the Caribbean are rock and roll scores. It's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Loving the top one; "I'm... not a film composer". From the horse's mouth, folks. Bilbo and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 57 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: It's true. There's some rocks, and some rolling. Sometimes rocks rolling and other times people rolling down rocks. Smeltington and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 7 hours ago, Richard said: Loving the top one; "I'm... not a film composer". Most "serious" composers would agree that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 The second episode of BBC Radio 3's Proms Podcast includes interviews with conductor Keith Lockhart (recorded just prior to the concert) and saxophonist Jess Gillam (recorded just after the concert). It's all very light-hearted so don't expect any great philosophical discussion on John Williams's music, but it is worth a listen. BBC Radio 3 Proms Podcast Jess reveals that the entire saxophone part is written out despite its improvisatory nature and that she had already been learning the piece before being asked to perform it at the Proms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: @Richard A few highlights: - I'm an entertainer, not a film composer. - Pirates of the Caribbean are rock and roll scores. - For Angels and Demons, I wiped my slate completely clean. - I'm not interested in what the focus groups think about my scores, only big audiences matter. - My suites are like diaries, they're not supposed to be perfect pieces of music. - In the third act of every score, I always try to come up with something completely different. Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with any of these statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Me neither. In fact I like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 If his suites aren't meant to be perfect, why perform them in concert? If he's an entertainer, why didn't people at his concert in Antwerp feel entertained? If he wipes his slate clean, why does everything sound the same? etc. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: If his suites aren't meant to be perfect, why perform them in concert? Is he referring to the suites being performed, or the suites he composes during production? If the former, what would you have him say, that they are, in fact, perfect? You'd complain about that, then. If Williams were the one saying that his suites aren't meant to be anything spectacular, folks would be fainting over the fabulous humility he shows. 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: If he's an entertainer, why didn't people at his concert in Antwerp feel entertained? Did you poll every soul at the concert to determine this? 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: If he wipes his slate clean, why does everything sound the same? etc. Thinking Zimmer scores all sound the same is equivalent to thinking all Williams scores sound the same. Similar sounds and gestures recur, but if you listen closely, there's little "sameness" beyond a present musical voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 In his masterclass, Zimmer clearly states that all his suites aren't meant to make for nice listening, that they just describe a thought process. That was blatantly obvious when he performed them all in concert, 50% of them just didn't work. I don't care why Williams writes his concert arrangements, but they clearly work in concert. I heard enough people compalining after the concert, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I heard many entertained, satisfied people at the shows I have gone to. Don't recall encountering any negative reactions actually. That people enjoy these shows, and it's evident that they do, seems good enough reason for him to come out and present material, whether or not every attendee will feel the structures justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Omen II 1,235 Posted July 24, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2017 The BBC Music YouTube channel now has a montage and three selections from the concert for those of you that prefer your Williams in bitesize chunks: Ricard, bollemanneke and Quintus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The one thing I've heard about Zimmer's concerts is that they're very much not art, and very much entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I'm not a massive Zimmer fan but I have to admit that his concerts look a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I can't wait for John Williams/Keith Lockhart's tour around the world where they replace trumpets with electric guitars, trombones with horns, violins with guitars and everything else I haven't mentioned with electronic garbage, plus loads of added percussion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Needs moar pyrotechnics. bollemanneke and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I can't wait for John Williams/Keith Lockhart's tour around the world where they replace trumpets with electric guitars, trombones with horns, violins with guitars and everything else I haven't mentioned with electronic garbage, plus loads of added percussion of course. I'm sure you're trying to make some kind of point, but it just comes across as silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 That would be as silly as orchestra only arrangements of Zimmer's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 12 hours ago, Stefancos said: That would be as silly as orchestra only arrangements of Zimmer's music. The orchestra only Pirates of the Caribbean they did at Hollywood in Vienna a couple of years ago was surprisingly good. It was basically a new composition, but a really good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Wow, wonderful concert. I watched the first half this morning and had tears in the eyes two or three times. The lights, the colors... wow! This is the magic of John Wiliams! That's maybe not a perfect concert to release as a DVD, as it features some young solists (I loved the young cellist who performed Sayuri's theme btw), but it 's very enjoyable to see. And Raiders march is a better intro for that program, than the Superman's march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I wouldn't hold my breath for a DVD release. Have any proms been released in the past? As far as I know, the only 'follow-up' they do is making all the concerts available on the iPlayer for one month after the last one or something. I really like how Lockhart's voice cracks when he first says 'thank you' at the end. Wonder if that was because of emotion or because he was just out of breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 52 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I really like how Lockhart's voice cracks when he first says 'thank you' at the end. Wonder if that was because of emotion or because he was just out of breath. Oh thank you very much to have spoiled the ending! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 58 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I wouldn't hold my breath for a DVD release. Have any proms been released in the past? As far as I know, the only 'follow-up' they do is making all the concerts available on the iPlayer for one month after the last one or something. It is not unprecedented for the most popular Proms to find their way to DVD. Several of the last night concerts are available to buy, as well as a couple of the John Wilson Orchestra proms, the Daniel Barenboim Beethoven symphony cycle from a few years ago, etc. I would have thought that the John Williams prom is a better candidate for a DVD release than most given its popularity; as well as the tickets being the most sought after for any concert in this Proms season, I understand that the concert was very well received by TV audiences too. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Sorry Bespin. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Omen II said: It is not unprecedented for the most popular Proms to find their way to DVD. Several of the last night concerts are available to buy, as well as a couple of the John Wilson Orchestra proms, the Daniel Barenboim Beethoven symphony cycle from a few years ago, etc. I would have thought that the John Williams prom is a better candidate for a DVD release than most given its popularity; as well as the tickets being the most sought after for any concert in this Proms season, I understand that the concert was very well received by TV audiences too. These kinds of concerts rarely get released and I think it's usually because the rights are just way too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 I notice Jamal Aliyev has posted his performance of Sayuri's Theme from this concert on his YouTube channel. I'd like to see the BBC make him take the clip down! Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 The John Williams Prom will be shown again on BBC Four this Thursday 21st December. It should then be available again on the iPlayer if you can access it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08ympvh I took a few photos during the original concert but I don't think I ever shared them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Its a shame that they cancelled the planned performance of the Main Title from THE TOWERING INFERNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Is it customary to repeat these proms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Omen II 1,235 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 3 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Is it customary to repeat these proms? The more popular BBC Proms concerts are often broadcast again around Christmas time. 4 hours ago, Richard said: Its a shame that they cancelled the planned performance of the Main Title from THE TOWERING INFERNO. I strongly suspect that they quietly dropped it from the programme due to the Grenfell Tower disaster in June, although the reason was never announced as far as I know. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 It was definitely because of Grenfell. I remembering hearing that on Radio 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 This has just started. You forgot, didn’t you? 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Great prom, although the Mr Chips piece shouldn't have been in there and the Imperial March should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 ...and THE TOWERING INFERNO (grr) 20 hours ago, Omen II said: This has just started. You forgot, didn’t you? 🤪 I didn't forget, Omen, I don't own a television, and, besides, I heard it when it was first broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 On 22/12/2017 at 9:38 AM, bollemanneke said: Great prom, although the Mr Chips piece shouldn't have been in there and the Imperial March should have. It's on Radio 3 again, tonight, at 19:40 GMT. I'll take that action, but without the fatuous Katie Derham, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 What, again?! How are you planning to remove her? She's strong with the force... Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I'll just mute my radio, for ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 By the way, is it me or does she have an incredibly American 'l' when she says things like no man's land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Annelien Van Wauwe's performance of The Terminal from this concert is now on her YouTube channel. idril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I sitll don't know how I feel about that one. I love the fact that she dared to be creative, but on the other hand, it was too creative... I do know I'm still hoping for a commercial release of this prom, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Nice performance, such a fun piece by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This piece always brings a smile and I like how much fun she's having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 The John Williams prom from 2017 will be broadcast again this evening on BBC Four at 10 p.m. (about an hour from now). It can also be viewed if you have access to BBC iPlayer. A reminder that Keith Lockhart conducted the BBC Concert Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 That's nice, but they should broadcast a better version of that LSO concert from 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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