Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Has anybody seen the Blu Ray doc on the score yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,823 Posted May 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 7:18 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Has anybody seen the Blu Ray doc on the score yet? https://vk.com/videos-126151236?z=video-126151236_456239709%2Fclub126151236%2Fpl_-126151236_-2 just found it! crlbrg, Falstaft, Disco Stu and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, filmmusic said: https://vk.com/videos-126151236?z=video-126151236_456239709%2Fclub126151236%2Fpl_-126151236_-2 just found it! Pretty typical Bouzereau featurette, but I loved seeing all that scoring stage footage! Some sweet stuff there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 That old Boozer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Found this in an interview with Spielberg in the latest Empire magazine with a section on The Post. It's a variation on what Williams has said before but I wanted to share it nonetheless. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 Fancy talk for "I'm going to write you a score that's a whole lot of nothin', you're welcome!". crumbs, Will and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Hey, the score was fine! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 Presses Roll definitely deserves to live in his concert repertoire. fuhrsy31, Arpy, SteveMc and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Fans of the Post score should watch a certain thread with my name in the title this week..... Not Mr. Big and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 Are you going to...POST about it? MikeH, Disco Stu and The Illustrious Jerry 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Are you going to...POST about it? Not Mr. Big and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 339 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Finally got around to listening to this. While some have mentioned similiarities of Nixon, Sleepers and Presumed innocent, I was much reminded of Black Sunday, with the short repeated Motivs and low staccato flute tones generating suspense. By the way, has anybody listened to the FYC for comparison? Are there any leaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Of course people have listened to the FYC. There's a whole thread abou it including a comparison spreadsheet here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27983-the-post-fyc-for-your-consideration-album/ And I'm unaware of any session leaks, but between the OST and FYC I doubt there's much recorded that we don't have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 11:03 AM, Gurkensalat said: Finally got around to listening to this. While some have mentioned similiarities of Nixon, Sleepers and Presumed innocent, I was much reminded of Black Sunday, with the short repeated Motivs and low staccato flute tones generating suspense. By the way, has anybody listened to the FYC for comparison? Are there any leaks? With that much “Hey, this sounds like that other score he did”, I guess John Williams is the new James Horner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Could anybody who's purchased the CD album answer whether this is a jewel case or digipak release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 @Jurassic Shark it is a regular jewel case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Thank God! Then it won't be ruined if I order from Amazon. And thanks to Inky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H 24 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The more I listen to Two Martini Lunch the more I am struck that its Marions Theme! Beautiful! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,304 Posted January 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2020 Complete cue list for The Post, courtesy of the BMI database. The only FYC track that isn't represented here is FYC 'Ben's Living Room' (which is the same cue as OST 'Scanning the Papers'). Having verified with the film the cue list is in correct order (and no cues went unused) but the split between the final 3 cues (and the contents of 'Redo') remains unclear. I could only find one "courtroom" cue before Court's Decision and End Credits, which is partially included on the OST at the end of The Presses Roll. Music on the FYC or OST is delineated green. Film Cue List PapersVarious Presidents Reading the PaperRichard The BaseFirst Class Seat Scanning the Papers McNamara Photo Wild About HarryLet's PublishLawyer Talk Dad's NoteSetting the TypePresses RollCourtroom to Court Building (partially released) More Courtroom (unclear)Court's Decision and End Credits Redo OST Tracks Nixon's Order (which is the cue Reading the Paper) Mother and Daughter (which is the cue Dad's Note) Deciding to Publish (which is a microedited combination of Wild About Harry, Let's Publish and Lawyer Talk) Two titles struck me as the missing source cues. Anyone with a better musical knowledge who might understand what For Chester with Love is referring to? Source Music Booth at Chasens For Chester with LoveOak Room 1971 Two Martini Lunch Edmilson, Jurassic Shark, Jay and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,319 Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 Brilliant find, thanks for finding and sharing this! I added the info into the google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GYa2ZnhT5zKiPuNJ7Gf-X_yzRkv7xGn-73cN_RSsWDw/ crumbs, Will and TheUlyssesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Jay said: Brilliant find, thanks for finding and sharing this! I added the info into the google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GYa2ZnhT5zKiPuNJ7Gf-X_yzRkv7xGn-73cN_RSsWDw/ No worries @Jay. I notice in your spreadsheet you've allocated those two (presumably) source cue titles as the two included on the OST. Are you sure about that? The film is filled with unreleased source music (not just in the two restaurant scenes but also the party at Graham's house, which are presumably not Williams compositions?) so I figured those two new cue titles represented other source music Williams omitted from the OST, as the other two are represented in different entries. On a side note, the source tracks included on the OST are far shorter than their film counterparts, so they're heavily microedited. You nailed that Richard The Base is actually the last half of Nixon's Order on the OST. I hadn't realised that track is comprised of two cues (seamlessly done by Williams). As for Courtroom to Court Building, this is probably the (poorly titled) penultimate cue of the score. The complete cue is 1:33 long and it's partially included on the OST from 4:07 - 5:00 of The Presses Roll. The first 40 seconds is unreleased. It ends on the wide shot of the court building, hence the title (but it begins over a TV interview of the character who stole the papers). I have two theories for More Courtroom: It's Williams' cue title for Court's Decision and End Credits, and the latter is just the BMI entry for the OST track title (just like the entries for Nixon's Order, Mother and Daughter and Deciding to Publish, which aren't cue titles but OST track titles) It's actually 2:52 - 4:07 of The Presses Roll (OST) as that music covers a montage of courtroom scenes in the film, and it seems pretty obvious Williams may have split two cues at that point (there's an obvious mood/rhythm change) EDIT: Looks like I've found the Redo! Compare 3:47 onwards of FYC Presses Roll with 3:23 of OST Presses Roll. The latter builds to a far more bombastic ending, while the former (complete with obvious edit point) is comparatively subdued. Unless someone can confirm this is tracked music, it would appear to be an insert (and Williams included his original intentions on the OST while the FYC features the revised insert, so we have both versions!) Sorry for the essay but if all my speculation is correct that means we're only missing one and a half cues from the score, plus whatever source music Williams recorded but didn't release. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I honestly forgot there was other JW composed source music in the film. I fixed the doc. I'm sure you're right about Courtroom to Court Building! I forgot that was in that OST track. I think the second supposition you have about More Courtroom is probably correct. That 0:00-2:52 is Presses Roll and 2:52-4:07 is More Courtroom (and 4:07-end is Courtroom to Court Building). No way to be sure of course. As for your guess about Redo, I don't think that's right because the film/FYC version of Presses Roll tracks in the ending of Setting The Type starting at 4:05. I can't listen right now to see if that's the same part you are talking about. I don't think we have any possible way of knowing what Redo is until the sheet music or sessions leaks. Do you have any idea what "McNamara Photo" refers to? I saw the film once in theaters, opening weekend, and don't remember much about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 8:29 AM, crumbs said: Two titles struck me as the missing source cues. Anyone with a better musical knowledge who might understand what For Chester with Love is referring to? This is a complete stab in the dark as I have not yet watched The Post, but I know that John Williams is very fond of the American patriotic tune Chester by William Billings, written in the 1770s around the time of the American Revolutionary War. Williams actually conducted an orchestral arrangement of the piece (possibly his own) at one of his concerts with the London Symphony Orchestra, even though it was not listed in the programme. Is there any piece of source music in the film which sounds anything like Chester? Bernard Herrmann also quoted the tune prominently in his score for Williamsburg: The Story of a Patriot, as did William Schuman in the third movement of his New England Triptych. Perhaps Williams wrote a similar tune or used it as a departure point and titled it accordingly? A wild guess but you did ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Jay said: Do you have any idea what "McNamara Photo" refers to? Yes, this is a very short 25 second cue that accompanies a scene with Graham reading a newspaper article that mentions McNamara, then looking up to see a framed photo of herself with Ben on the shelf. Wouldn't be surprised if this is buried in the OST somewhere. EDIT: Yep, knew I'd heard this before. It's in OST Setting The Type between 1:34-1:58. So this cue is released, albeit without a clean opening or ending. 8 hours ago, Jay said: As for your guess about Redo, I don't think that's right because the film/FYC version of Presses Roll tracks in the ending of Setting The Type starting at 4:05. I can't listen right now to see if that's the same part you are talking about. Interestingly, this music (or something similar) follows McNamara Photo in the OST track Setting The Type... so Setting The Type is another composite track with multiple cues. The breakdown: 0:00 - 1:07 Setting the Type 1:07 - 1:36 Unused (I think, unless it's used elsewhere in the score?) 1:37 - 2:01 McNamara Photo 2:01 - 2:33 Another variation on that 'impending deadline' cresendo Now that we've identified this track as a composite of multiple cues, I wonder if that last 30 seconds is actually 'Redo'? It's similar to the music tracked into the film during the court sequence that ends Presses Roll. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 @crumbs @Jay @Omen II This should help: John Williams - The Post Cue List 1M6 R "The Papers" 1M7 R "Various Presidents" 2M10 "Two Martini Lunch" [source] 2M12 "Messenger Boy" 2M12 New "News Boy" 3M25 "Reading the Paper" 4M30 "A Booth at Chasen's" [source] 4M31 "Richard The Base" 4M32 "For Chester, With Love" [source] 4M38 R "First Class Sent" 5M46 RR "Scanning the Papers" 5M46 Insert 5M48 "McNamara Photo" 6M54 "Wild About Harry" 6M55 R "Let's Publish" 6M55A "Harry's Party" 6M55B "Lawyer Talk" 6M57 New "Dad's Note" 6M57 R “Dad’s Note” 6M59 RR "Setting the Type" 7M64 R “Presses Roll” 7M64A 7M65 R "The News is on the Street" 7M65B "More Courtroom" 7M66 R "Courtroom to Court Building" 7M68 R "The Decision" 7M68A "The Decision" 7M68A String Insert "The Decision" 7M68B "Meg Reads The Decision" 7M69 R "The Court Votes, The Presses Roll" 7M69 R Insert 7M69A "The Court Votes, The Presses Roll" 7M70 "End Credits" End Fix For what it’s worth, “For Chester, With Love” is in the key of C and has this cryptic text at the beginning, where the tempo and style would normally be indicated: “Joe Comfort, Comfort”. 🤷♂️ Smeltington, Edmilson, Jay and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Wow, awesome!!!!! Thank you!! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,395 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I love that there's barely any music on the first reels (reel 3 has just one cue), with most of the music concentrated on the final two reels. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Well that's substantially more comprehensive than the BMI database @BrotherSound! Thanks heaps. Now I just have to work out if my calculations were correct about the OST being nearly complete. I might have been premature... Why are so many cues designated with an R? Surely there weren't that many revisions?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 9:29 AM, crumbs said: Two titles struck me as the missing source cues. Anyone with a better musical knowledge who might understand what For Chester with Love is referring to? Considering the source pieces are all jazz trios for piano, bass and guitar, I think it might refer to American jazz bass player Chester Zardis. It's just a guess, but it wouldn't be surprising, as JW is quite knowledgeable about jazz musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 @BrotherSound is 6M55A Harry's Party source music too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 20 hours ago, BrotherSound said: For what it’s worth, “For Chester, With Love” is in the key of C and has this cryptic text at the beginning, where the tempo and style would normally be indicated: “Joe Comfort, Comfort”. 🤷♂️ Pretty sure it's a further reference to another jazz bass player, named Joe Comfort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Comfort It's probably an indication to his preferred bass player Mike Valerio to play in the style of Joe Comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 @BrotherSound does the OST track "The Oak Room, 1971" equate to 4M30 A Booth at Chasen's or 4M32 For Chester, With Love? Or neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Btw, just found out that "A Booth at Chasen's" is a reference to a historic Hollywood bar/restaurant very popular with movie stars for several decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasen's I guess it's the original title of "The Oak Room, 1971" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 The Oak Room is a different place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Room_(Plaza_Hotel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I know, but perhaps JW titled it that way as a sort of in-joke. We know he gets some kind of fun in his original cue titles every now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Ah, I getcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 6:45 AM, Jay said: @BrotherSound does the OST track "The Oak Room, 1971" equate to 4M30 A Booth at Chasen's or 4M32 For Chester, With Love? Or neither? The OST track "The Oak Room, 1971" is "A Booth at Chasen's". On 1/28/2020 at 6:40 AM, Jay said: @BrotherSound is 6M55A Harry's Party source music too? Nope, not source. It's a very brief cue with some sustained string chords and synth percussion. I don't believe it's anywhere on the OST or FYC. On 1/28/2020 at 6:32 AM, crumbs said: Why are so many cues designated with an R? Surely there weren't that many revisions?! Yep, the R is for Revised. However, that often means just pretty subtle tweaks for timing or minor orchestration adjustments, not necessarily a true alternate cue like you might be thinking. Side note: has anyone noticed how much "Two Martini Lunch" resembles a jazz version of Marion's Theme? Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 54 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: The OST track "The Oak Room, 1971" is "A Booth at Chasen's". Nope, not source. It's a very brief cue with some sustained string chords and synth percussion. I don't believe it's anywhere on the OST or FYC. Awesome, thanks! So this means there's only 2 bits on the OST we haven't figured out: OST 05 Setting the Type, from 1:07-1:34 and OST 05 Setting the Type, from 1:58-end Can you find these bits in the sheets? Maybe one of them is 2M12 Messenger Boy or 2M12 New News Boy? Maybe one or both passages is just more of 5M48 McNamara Photo that was dialed out of the final film? Maybe one of them is End Fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 7:18 AM, TownerFan said: I know, but perhaps JW titled it that way as a sort of in-joke. We know he gets some kind of fun in his original cue titles every now and then I remember reading about a time when Bernard Herrmann clashed with a producer and decided to abandon the film. The producer said, "You'll see, Benny. When you get hungry, you'll come to me." Bernard Herrmann replied, "When I'm hungry, I go to Chasen's." Jay, BrotherSound and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Jay said: So this means there's only 2 bits on the OST we haven't figured out: OST 05 Setting the Type, from 1:07-1:34 and OST 05 Setting the Type, from 1:58-end 1:07-1:34 is part of the same cue as written. I believe 1:58-end is just an edit of two of the previous build-ups (0:12-0:24 and 0:54-1:05) to extend the length a bit and give it a little more satisfying ending for the album. 'End Fix' appears to be an insert to replace part of the End Credits. I'll have to listen some more to figure out if it was actually used or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Are you saying 1:07-1:34 is part of 6M59RR Setting the Type or part of 5M48 McNamara Photo? Because we know 1:34-1:58 is the part of 5M48 McNamara Photo that you can hear in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jay said: Are you saying 1:07-1:34 is part of 6M59RR Setting the Type or part of 5M48 McNamara Photo? 1:07-1:34 is the ending of 6M59RR Setting the Type, as written (apart from some sustained strings underneath the harp at the end that appear to have been removed). And 1:34-1:58 is the entirety of 5M48 McNamara Photo (a mere 11 bars). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Brilliant, thank you! So that means that the film and therefore FYC dropped the intended ending of Williams' cue BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just watched "Frost/Nixon" and Hans Zimmer's score really reminded me of Williams' "The Post". I'm not sure whether it is the style or the way it is used in the movie. But I can tell the thematic core of the movies is very similar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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