Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Will said: Any specific examples of cues in Jurassic Park where there was temp track? (also, are you just assuming temp track, or has it been confirmed?) And apparently the first Brachiosaurus scene was tracked with this: Then there's this: Close Encounters seems to be a direct influence in the Raptor kitchen scene, although we could argue that's more Williams style for writing suspense music And I'm pretty sure the Backdraft march was a influence in the "mission" theme of Jurassic -it was heavily used in the trailer for both the original movie and the sequel And for TLW That's all I can remember right now Cerebral Cortex, leeallen01, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Very interesting @Muad'Dib. In some ways temp tracking is kind of nice because you know there's a piece out there that sounds at least vaguely like your favorite cue. I do really like those Henry V bits in particular. I'd never heard the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 No evicence at all that the similarity is because of a temp track though. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 For the Doyle and Silvestri pieces a sure yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2017 Pieter Boelen, Will and Kasey Kockroach 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Emulate seems a better word, but yes, you hear the influences. Of course, 'Hook' proved that copying was not above him - i guess he just liked that Delerue piece and 'The Sea Hawk' ('The Firebird' notwithstanding). For JP's 'Island fanfare' i throw Bruce Broughton's 'Silverado' into the ring, which was a beloved temp track piece back then: Will and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 heh Backdraft also seems to have been Zimmers inspiration for The Rock/POTC and other themes so its only fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Self-plagiarism is a lesser felony! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Just because a track sounds a lot like another track doesn't mean that other track was originally temp music. And just because a track sounds nothing like anything else doesn't mean there wasn't originally temp music there. Will and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 7 hours ago, publicist said: For the Doyle and Silvestri pieces a sure yes. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 11:23 PM, ymenard said: Well, Spielberg did it on Jurassic Park (with the Brachiosorious cue) and Henry V again. That's why it would more enter into the temp track territory here, it's a lot more harder to say than comparing something like Debussy's La fille aux cheveux de lin and Episode 1. Could you point me to the specific TPM cue where you think that was the temp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: How do you know this? I would have to check old 'Soundtrack' and FSM issues but i remember Doyle and 'P2' mentioned as temp tracks on the both JP scores. 'Silverado' is just hunch. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 6/30/2017 at 0:55 PM, Will said: Could you point me to the specific TPM cue where you think that was the temp? I said we don't know if such piece was temp-tracked, since it was a really short motif (It's working! in TPM) and only is a couple of seconds long. It's also way too specific to temp track in such a way and it's only the orchestral transcription from Debussy's Prelude. It probably inspired Johnny, especially since impressionism and religious-undertone is all throughout TPM especially the Tatooine scenes. Henry V is another thing... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 On 2017-6-30 at 9:47 PM, publicist said: I would have to check old 'Soundtrack' and FSM issues but i remember Doyle and 'P2' mentioned as temp tracks on the both JP scores. 'Silverado' is just hunch. Mentioned by who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 It was something like an ongoing series about music editors. But it really isn't a big secret. If you were a FSM reader in the 90's, there were literally 100s of such revelations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Of course i do. Love seeing the Cosman getting all exasperated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I'm not doubting you Pub. But these claims have been going around for literally decades now and Ive never actually seen them backed up with evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Because nobody gives enough shit to dig up the old magazines. Why is it so important? Even without the faint remembrance of reading it the fucking music is the sound proof. It is obviously modeled on something not out of the Williams toolbox and the 'Henry V' influence on the stegosaurus cue is VERY obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Will 2,215 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 At first I thought this might be a coincidence, but I notice a lot of similarities between my favorite Rogue One action cue and The Matrix's subway fight cue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Which is better, Will? Answer wisely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Michael Giacchino is the next Don Davis!!!!!! Simon McBride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Which is best, Will? Answer wisely... Obviously Rogue One. Star Wars is better than everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Let him speak! Come forth, Will, and tell us your honest thoughts on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Harumph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Let him speak! Come forth, Will, and tell us your honest thoughts on the matter. In terms of score, I'm not sure yet, as I've only listened to The Matrix once. In terms of these particular cues, I'd have to go with Giacchino's, mainly because the building tone thing seems to be harmonized in a slightly more heroic manner, although it's close. Also the Giacchino cue has some really fun trilling going on. That's probably not the answer you were looking for, but there it is! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2017 Thank you for your very honest and very misguided answer. Will, Loert and toothless 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Loert said: John did it better! 1 hour ago, Will said: At first I thought this might be a coincidence, but I notice a lot of similarities between my favorite Rogue One action cue and The Matrix's subway fight cue: Don did it better! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: John did it better! It is good...but the age gap is large. Corigliano was fortunate to have had Sonorism happen! 1 hour ago, Will said: In terms of score, I'm not sure yet, as I've only listened to The Matrix once. Only once?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, Loert said: Only once?! Haha yeah, I just saw the film for the first time yesterday (and loved it!) and dove right into the OST afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, Will said: Haha yeah, I just saw the film for the first time yesterday (and loved it!) and dove right into the OST afterward. Well, it's better than nothing! Glad you liked it. Make sure to listen to the rest of the trilogy too...Matrix Revolutions is my favourite of the three. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Loert said: Well, it's better than nothing! Glad you liked it. Make sure to listen to the rest of the trilogy too...Matrix Revolutions is my favourite of the three. Matrix Revolutions is the purest of the three in terms of traditional orchestration work. It's also my most listened of the three precisely for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Matrix Reloaded is the best for me. Super fun techno/orchestral combos Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yeah, I'm listening to it now after seeing the film yesterday. I do really like the techno beats, even though they largely aren't Davis. I thought the film was very good and thought-provoking but that it still wasn't close to the first one. I'll be seeing the third in a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 The Architect scene is really cool. Not a lot worth remembering from that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 The sequel films are shit, but the scores are good! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I just read in this article that "The Firebird" was used in the temp track to The Thin Red Line. Does anyone know what scene that might have gone with, and, more importantly, what bit of the ballet score was used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 153 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 This one was temp track of Journey to Akator, in Indiana Jones 4, that mexican song. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Yup. The whole scene in Akator is supposed to be a homage to Sierra Madre. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just obvious and well-known things. Except for "The Mask of Zorro". 7:01 and 5:18 0:00 to end This one (0:00 to 02:05) Served of inspiration for this. 5:21 And Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 I don't know if it's just me but I see some similitude between Joe Kraemer (The A400) and Jerry Goldsmith (The hijacking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Goldsmith is certainly one of composers that influenced his sound along with Williams toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Temp track love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Joe did not hear the temp track for MI5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Woah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 That hack John Williams stealing from the master Giacchino Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 0:15 - 0:42 0:29 - 1:09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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