The temp track or similarities thread

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

 

 

On 22/10/2018 at 3:08 PM, Luka said:

I was listening to some opera when I heard something that reminded me of a track in Solo...

It probably wasn't a temp track though haha

 

 

 

 

 

I raise you this...

 

[Edmilson 7,435]

 

 

[Edmilson 7,435]

Holy temp track, Batman!

 

 

 

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

 

 

 

[Jay 37,351]

Hehehe, yea, I hear the similarities.  I prefer Tyler's take!

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

Doubt it was intencional and that I'm the first one to notice it...

 

 

 

[thestat 348]

Gabriel, for some reason, can't hear your examples but do they sound like this:

 

 

If they do, it is all very intentional. Williams, Davis etc are very explicit about referencing Adams as there is an intellectual and creative connection between their work.

 

Hey, how about this as the opening to the Matrix

 

[Bellosh 3,418]

 

 

 

[Anthony 572]

 

 

 

 

[Jay 37,351]

What's the second video? Doesn't show in the US

[Anthony 572]

It's the cue "Trojan Horse" from Elfman's Mr. Peabody And Sherman of all things!

[Edmilson 7,435]

16 years before, Danny Elfman predicted another Marvel theme.

 

Listen to the woodwinds from 0:04 to 0:15:

 

 

Now listen to this (1:24 to 1:41):

 

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

On 01/12/2022 at 3:56 PM, Anthony said:

 

I've never heard this score before, but I just found yet another cue that The Clone Wars blatantly rips off. 

 

 

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

18 hours ago, Edmilson said:

16 years before, Danny Elfman predicted another Marvel theme.

 

Listen to the woodwinds from 0:04 to 0:15:

 

 

Now listen to this (1:24 to 1:41):

 

 

 

That's just Take on Me...

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

On 16/04/2019 at 9:55 PM, Disco Stu said:

Gettysburg is on TCM right now.  This moment in the main title immediately made me think of "Test Drive"

 

 

 

The Gettysburg theme came up on shuffle and I was reminded of this.  I think of Test Drive every time!

[Jay 37,351]

Ha!  I made that same observation at one point!

[HunterTech 989]

For as much as Snyder fans wanted no Elfman in their DCEU movies, I think Holkenborg inadvertently might've made him a mainstay if that universe continued:

 

[toothless 963]

I doesn’t belong to that thread but I didn’t know where to put it: I just realized while I I was whistling the danger motif that it’s the base of the theme in interstellar 😂

[thestat 348]

JFC, I hate that Holkenborg brass sample but at least it's a decent score and theme. Much better than I can say about Elfman. The dude has not composed anything memorable since Dumbo. And this is from someone who loves Elfman. I saw him live at the London Nightmare Before Christmas concert - he was a ball of amazing, astonishing fire. Clearly film composition is not what he is into nowadays,,,,,

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

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[thestat 348]

On 20/12/2022 at 2:46 AM, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I've never heard this score before, but I just found yet another cue that The Clone Wars blatantly rips off. 

 

McNeely ripoffs are awesome. They are done by a fan who loves the original material.

[Edmilson 7,435]

Whenever I listen to Goldsmith's The Burbs, I can only think of Admiral Holdo addressing the Resistance.

 

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

20 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

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I just realized I posted this in the entirely wrong thread! 

 

[Luka 242]

 

 

 

Well this is embarassing… 

[toothless 963]

OMG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS IS HILARIOUS 

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

4 hours ago, Luka said:

 

 

 

Well this is embarassing… 

 

- Hey John, can I copy your homework?

- Yeah, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied.

- Ok.

[Arpy 4,145]

That is so egregious, I don't know how they even let that through...

[Schilkeman 962]

On 28/11/2022 at 7:47 PM, thestat said:

Gabriel, for some reason, can't hear your examples but do they sound like this:

 

 

If they do, it is all very intentional. Williams, Davis etc are very explicit about referencing Adams as there is an intellectual and creative connection between their work.

 

Hey, how about this as the opening to the Matrix

 

Yeah, there's a lot of John Adams-esqe minimalism in the first Matrix score. I'm not familiar enough with Don Davis's work to know if he always does this, but I don't recall much, if any, in JPIII.

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

 

 

[thestat 348]

Michael Kamen's The Runway from Die Hard 2 (the good stuff starts at 2:20):

 

 

From Robert Folk's replacement score for Tremors (so short time scale and massive temp track concerns) (and obviously Folk is much much more than capable to compose his own action music as can be heard in the track below and he totally makes this his own....

 

 

 

 

[Jay 37,351]

Wow I forgot how cool the Tremors score is!  Time to bust out my LLL CD

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

Does anyone happen to know where this might've been temped from? I heard the exact section from 1:11 to 1:56 in a completely unrelated PS2 game, so I figure they must both have been temped from elsewhere.

 

 

[Faleel 5,346]

Maybe they temped the game score into the episode haha

[enderdrag64 624]

18 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Does anyone happen to know where this might've been temped from? I heard the exact section from 1:11 to 1:56 in a completely unrelated PS2 game, so I figure they must both have been temped from elsewhere.

 

 

What game?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

1 hour ago, enderdrag64 said:

What game?

 

I can't recall, but it was an extremely obscure game with basic synth/MIDI samples from like ~2005. I did check the credits too and there was no involvement from anyone who worked on TCW.

[itsevilr 4]

 

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/G5IcjcAxXs4

 

 

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

I guess when writing his Ninth Symphony, the editor tracked this theme and Beethoven went with it

 

 

PS: I know there's also a proto-Ode to Joy in Choral Fantasy, so it's fun to find that he was working and working on that elusive melody.

[Edmilson 7,435]

Looking back in retrospect, I think the early 2010s was an important moment for the downfall of traditionally orchestral scores, because it was then that Hollywood made even established and experienced composers like JNH to copy the Zimmer Nolan scores (specifically Batman and Inception) in the temp track as closely as possible.

 

 

[Holko 9,520]

 

hmmm

[Gabriel Bezerra 301]

 

 

[Jay 37,351]

WOAH!!

[enderdrag64 624]

This is purely coincidental, but I thought it was interesting. 

 

I've been rewatching Doctor Who, and in 1x06 Dalek there's a theme that shows up a couple times that has the exact melody of Battle of the Heroes from ROTS. 

 

It shows up right before the title theme in the episode, and again around the 25:40 mark as the Doctor tells the military group that the Dalek isn't indestructible

[Edmilson 7,435]

I have a feeling that the motif below, which I like to call "the worried piano", has been re-used in numerous horror/suspense/psychological thriller movies. On the top of my head I remember hearing something similar in Wallfisch's It scores and maybe in  Marco Beltrami's or Fernando Velazquez's work for suspense movies.

 

 

And I'm not sure Goldenthal was the inventor of it either. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of "worried pianos" had popped up in even older scores.

[Richard Penna 3,685]

Talking of Sherlock, I don't know if anyone else watches the UK series Taskmaster, but the piece of music composed for the task intro sections is so reminiscent that I have to stop myself humming Arnold's main theme every time I hear it:

 

 

[Luka 242]

2 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

the UK series Taskmaster

There's a Quebec version that I've been watching and it's the same music haha

I guess the fact that the original is from the UK make it even more Sherlock-like hahaha

[toothless 963]

 

 

Lol I know I'm pushing it here but still it made me laugh. 

[Edmilson 7,435]

In his new blog post, Lukas Kendall compared two cues from Avatar: The Way of Water and Spiderman: No Way Home and came to the conclusion that every modern score is... the same.

 

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I had a funny moment yesterday that acted as good contrast. I was channel surfing with my daughters (twins, they’re eight). I was briefly on Avatar 2, on HBO...as reverent choral music played for a scene of ecological tragedy (doesn’t matter which one).

The kids saw Spider Man: No Way Home on the channel guide and asked me to turn to it. 

So I did—and reverent choral music played for a scene of one of the Spider-Mans losing his mind in grief and beating the crap out of a defenseless Green Goblin.

I said, “It’s the same music.” The kids listened a sec, and laughed: “Yeah, it is!”

I haven’t gone back to compare the cues—but sonically, they really did sound like the same cue. I mean, they might have even been in the same key. (I’ve been told lots of film cues are in D minor because it’s easy to play, with only one flat.)

In the old days, there was occasionally “temp track love” that would result in similar sounding cues.

But this was even deeper than that: it was, on a conceptual level, the exact same cue.

And that’s film music today on the blockbuster level. It’s like there are three or four different cues: joy, suspense, tragedy, action. Just pick one and tailor it to the timings.

And each score is effectively written by eight or nine musicians, working under the “brand name” of the guy with the track record who supervises.

It’s really the only kind of score that fits this business model—and, make no mistake, it is a business, and a huge one at that.

I don’t think it’s a surprise that the “multiverse” films are the last big mega-hits being squeezed out of these “franchises.” They’re just a kind of comic book that we all used to read: the “team-up.” Three different Spider-Mans! Two different Batmans! Old and young Indiana Jones, together!

It really feels like the end of something.

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/it-s-the-same-score

 

This is probably the NWH cue he was referring to:

 

 

Don't know about the Avatar one, it's probably unreleased.

[Richard Penna 3,685]

On 09/04/2023 at 4:16 AM, Edmilson said:

Looking back in retrospect, I think the early 2010s was an important moment for the downfall of traditionally orchestral scores, because it was then that Hollywood made even established and experienced composers like JNH to copy the Zimmer Nolan scores (specifically Batman and Inception) in the temp track as closely as possible.

 

I've never seen the film but found this clip of the scene. It's just about the least inspiring way imaginable of scoring it, paying no regard whatsoever to the period or setting. Not saying I'd expect a medieval ensemble, but a historical approach to action has been done far better than this. I really hope the director explicitly asked JNH for this, because otherwise it's a very poor cue.

 

 

[Edmilson 7,435]

11 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I've never seen the film but found this clip of the scene. It's just about the least inspiring way imaginable of scoring it, paying no regard whatsoever to the period or setting. Not saying I'd expect a medieval ensemble, but a historical approach to action has been done far better than this.

 

Yep, it's a particularly uninspired cue. The score as a whole has some really good parts (some of them unreleased), but the action/suspense music is so uninspired and dull. You can almost see the director/producers/executives/etc asking JNH for a "Batman Begins kind of score".

[Luka 242]

12 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

 

I've never seen the film but found this clip of the scene. It's just about the least inspiring way imaginable of scoring it, paying no regard whatsoever to the period or setting. Not saying I'd expect a medieval ensemble, but a historical approach to action has been done far better than this. I really hope the director explicitly asked JNH for this, because otherwise it's a very poor cue.

 

 

 

It's very classic JNH action cue though haha like I could have perfectly heard that in Hunger Games. Actually I feel like I heard pretty much the same thing in Hunger Games 😆 And Maleficent too