Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 You're the one I agree with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, TGP said: Hmm. Trying to decide if I want to do this obvious debate. Steve McQueen seems a reasonable bloke, but I just don't know if I have the energy even so. I'm a bit low on energy myself, so if there is a debate to be had it would be an even contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 #lowenergy Unlucky Bastard and SteveMc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, TGP said: #lowenergy Come to think of it, things have been rather lethargic around here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, TGP said: You're the one I agree with! Oh, very well then! Debate away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: Williams is the last living legend of film music. It only makes sense for critics to shower him with praise now, something they didn't always do. But, the fact is, Williams is the greatest living composer of orchestral music in the world. Certainly there are many luminaries in contemporary classical music, and some talented figures in modern film scoring. But, the hard truth is this: modern classical music is stiff and elitist, even at its most progressive, and modern film music is banal and repetitive. Williams, even on a bad day, writes music that is better because it remains vibrant, accessible and technically advanced. Art is not only for artists. The consummate artist shares his soul with the world, arranging his message in a form that endures. We'll just have to train someone to be similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Well, much of it is a gift. But, the gift must be used to its fullest. We must point the way to the example of John Williams as something worth emulating and studying, strengths and flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Williams is the last living legend of film music. I wasn't aware Ennio Morricone had died? Jurassic Shark, Darth Mulder, Naïve Old Fart and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I don't need another John Williams. I dig the one we've got just fine. I resent the notion that we need a successor or that so-and-so is the "next _______". If I wanted to become a cartoon director, I wouldn't aspire to become the next Tex Avery, I'd want to be the first, well, me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: I wasn't aware Ennio Morricone had died? Why am I attributed to what Steve said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I wasn't aware Ennio Morricone had died? Ouch. An unforgiveable oversight on my part. Long live the legends! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Don't worry, I forget Ennio Morricone exists too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Denise Bryson said: Why am I attributed to what Steve said? Hmm. That is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Steve McQueen said: Williams, even on a bad day, writes music that is better because it remains vibrant, accessible and technically advanced. It's great if you really think that, but I think that just comes down to taste - Williams' style aligns very well with your musical ear. I have cues by other composers that mean 10x more to me than many Williams cues. This idea of permanent vibrancy and accessibility is just rubbish. Actually, I listened to the single Johann Johansson cue I have (a track called Pods) the other day, and that did more for me than most cues in Star Wars do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I listened to the single Johann Johansson cue I have (a track called Pods) the other day, and that did more for me than most cues in Star Wars do. Incorrect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 19 hours ago, Oswin Pond said: I'm glad I found another HP3 lover This is really not difficult on this forum. Most people here adore it and want an expanded release of it more than anything else. 18 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: Williams' best score is The Lost World. It's not necessarily his best, but it's also my favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I remember it was a common complaint back when the score was new, but I always appreciated that Lost World rarely used the JP theme compared to the original (or how much Don Davis practically spams it in JP3), mainly saving it for a brief bit at the beginning and then fully unleashed at the end (Giacchino did a similar thing with JW). It makes the theme more appreciated, something to subconsciously look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: I remember it was a common complaint back when the score was new, but I always appreciated that Lost World rarely used the JP theme compared to the original (or how much Don Davis practically spams it in JP3), mainly saving it for a brief bit at the beginning and then fully unleashed at the end (Giacchino did a similar thing with JW). It makes the theme more appreciated, something to subconsciously look forward to. Quite true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Don Davis' score was cool. Richard Penna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I like the tribal drum stuff much more than the three main themes, so I am more than happy with the omission of the themes in The Lost World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Munich > Memoirs of a Geisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Munich > Memoirs of a Geisha I think not. Both fine scores, though. I find Munich to be rather underappreciated. The cello suite from Memoirs, however, should be an international concert staple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 John Williams should have handed the baton to other composers with the Disney trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2018 There probably should not have been a Disney trilogy to begin with, let alone two. The Jedi Steps and Finale alone is enough reason to be thankful Williams took on the project. Cerebral Cortex, Jurassic Shark and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The Jedi Steps and Finale is so awesome. How did he go from hitting the notes again like that and putting a smile on all of our faces to slapping together an autopilot score like TLJ? It should have been better. It could have been. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 627 Posted February 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2018 I would say the quality of both is equal. They’re both excellent scores and compliment each other wonderfully. Marcus, Gurkensalat and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 There's no doubting the fundamental musical quality of TLJ, but compared to TFA, it feels worn out. As if Williams himself is feeling franchise fatigue. He's probably happy the next one is his last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 He's had enough of Steven's Star Trek movies. It's time to heed Andre Previn's advice. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 At 86, I'm sure Williams is feeling fatigue regardless of the project but he obviously still enjoys working and is dedicated to his work. He wrote over 2.5 hours of above average music for a mostly lousy movie, that shows true dedication and spirit right there. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, someonefun124 said: He wrote over 2.5 hours of above average music for a mostly lousy movie, that shows true dedication and spirit right there. But TLJ wasn't "mostly lousy"... if that's the movie you're referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It is but I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnSolo said: But TLJ wasn't "mostly lousy"... if that's the movie you're referring to? It was only partly lousy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: It was only partly lousy! With that part being the whole Canto Bight subplot... really, it was the only part of the movie that I really disliked, along with some instances of awkward and forced humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Bring back Lucas to re-edit the damn thing! Maybe he also could insert Hayden Christensen in some scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: With that part being the whole Canto Bight subplot... really, it was the only part of the movie that I really disliked, along with some instances of awkward and forced humor. No that was the best part of the movie. The Falthiers is classic Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 The caretakers could have easily been cut from the film especially when their party scene for Rey's third lesson was cut. They served no purpose aside from comedic relief which wasn't necessary since there was plenty already. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 So Hollywood has forgotten how to edit its own movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Modern audiences need lengthier films so they have time to periodically check their phones during boring pointless scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 28/02/2018 at 6:48 PM, Philippe Roaché said: Modern audiences need lengthier films so they have time to periodically check their phones during boring pointless scenes. I've never had a problem with this. Bad audience experiences are very rare for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Much of the movie was pointless, not just the Flynn/Dawson/del Toro scenes. One pointless supporting character after the next with nothing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Whatever you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Jerry said: Where I come from there are no Tommy texters. Hi Denise, Do you remember that long argument on another thread about how TLJ was too long and how Canto Bight was pointless. I'm sorry to say that I cannot remember your opinion, but I seemed to think that you indeed thought that it stretched the film in an unnecessary way. Yours truly Jerry I still haven't seen TLJ, but I happen to agree with Philippe above regarding texters. It may be intentional by design to write and edit films with dead patches to allow audiences to tweet about what they're watching so they don't miss anything consequential while they do. This ensures the film remains "viral" and as relevant on social media tracking for as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 28. Februar 2018 at 2:32 AM, someonefun124 said: I would say the quality of both is equal. They’re both excellent scores and compliment each other wonderfully. Because much of it is the exact same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: I still haven't seen TLJ, but I happen to agree with Philippe above regarding texters. It may be intentional by design to write and edit films with dead patches to allow audiences to tweet about what they're watching so they don't miss anything consequential while they do. This ensures the film remains "viral" and as relevant on social media tracking for as long as possible. This would be the death of cinema and the of the texters, when I'm at the cinema, too. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: I still haven't seen TLJ, but I happen to agree with Philippe above regarding texters. It may be intentional by design to write and edit films with dead patches to allow audiences to tweet about what they're watching so they don't miss anything consequential while they do. This ensures the film remains "viral" and as relevant on social media tracking for as long as possible. Movies got unbearably long in the 90's, long before the advent of SMS, forget about social media apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Just now, publicist said: Movies got unbearably long in the 90's, long before the advent of SMS, forget about social media apps. It's nothing to do with their length, it's the intentional dead spots in modern blockbuster movies that provide a window for social media users to pull their phone out and tweet about the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/27/2018 at 5:17 PM, Blumenkohl said: John Williams should have handed the baton to other composers with the Disney trilogy. So I guess I’m winning this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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