Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3K? 4K is the thing now, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 20 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Try saying you don't like CE 3K, like I did, and see what happens! We do you over. Really, dude, we find out where you live, and we send the boys 'round, with baseball bats. It is absolutely unacceptable behaviour at JWfan to suggest that the score for CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND is anything less than a bona fide masterpiece. You have been warned. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 5:57 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: Damn, if that doesn't feel good! Probably almost as good as listening to it while liking it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 While it's hardly an "unpopular opinion" here to praise the newest John Williams score, The Rise of Skywalker feels more satisfyingly "conclusiony" than ROTJ or ROTS. Remco, Falstaft, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 ROT is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Holko said: Probably almost as good as listening to it while liking it! Tried that, didn't work. Watched the film. That was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I listened to Saving Private Ryan's score recently and have what I think is an unpopular opinion: "Hymm to The Fallen' is the worst cue in the Saving Private Ryan score Joni Wiljami and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It definitely becomes over the top, which may be unfitting to this particular music, and it would have been interesting if one of the two occurences was replaced by a more solemn, restrained version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jay said: I listened to Saving Private Ryan's score recently and have what I think is an unpopular opinion: "Hymm to The Fallen' is the worst cue in the Saving Private Ryan score I agree. My guess would be that this opinion is more popular than you think. I have heard several complaints about its over-the-top-ness lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 As a standalone piece of music to hear say, at a concert, or on a compilation album, it could be OK. But when I listen to SPR score now, I don't listen to the OST program any more - I think he made very bad programming decisions making that one. I love the score in chronological order. I would never want to sit down to hear it and start with anything other than Revisiting Normandy. And I want High School Teacher to just be that cue, not have half of Omaha Beach reprised in the middle of it. The whole score takes you on quite an emotional ride. By the time The Last Battle concludes, I've had a very fulfilling experience! Then Hymm to the Fall comes on and it starts OK but... eventually it gets SO GRAND, it delivers a completely different energy than the entire rest of the score does. I've completely flipflopped on this score. When I was a teenager and this album came out, I liked the Hymm track and could never get into the actual underscore. Now, I like the entire score except for the Hymm! Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,278 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I always asked myself if Williams was inspired to this piece by Patrick Doyle's "Non nobis domine" from Kenneth Branagh's "Henry V" due to the similarity in tone and mood and subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: "Hymm to The Fallen' is the worst cue in the Saving Private Ryan score When I first heard HYMN TO THE FALLEN, I was of the firm opinion that it was a very strong candidate for the accolade "Single Best Track Ever Written By JW". That it isn't heard in the film is it's greatest strength. Unfortunately, it's been played at just about every Rememberence Day event since. I'm not suggesting that this isn't right, but, in a way, it kind of cheapens the music. I still like it, but its potency, and its emotional impact, has diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: I listened to Saving Private Ryan's score recently and have what I think is an unpopular opinion: "Hymm to The Fallen' is the worst cue in the Saving Private Ryan score All I listen to of that track is that amazing brass chorale part. Wonderful score btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Yea, I loved it. The whole score I mean. I was in exactly the right mood for it and it was incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I've said it before, but the C&C playlist of that score using the LLL release is a truly incredible listen. The hymn definitely is way more fitting played just at the end too. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,317 Posted November 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 Unpopular Opinion: I've never been able to get into Hook. I dig the 'Prologue' concert suite, but that's about it. Chewy, Disco Stu, Naïve Old Fart and 4 others 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,278 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Unpopular Opinion: I've never been able to get into Hook. I dig the 'Prologue' concert suite, but that's about it. My favourite piece: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,317 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Yeah just doesn't do anything for me. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,278 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I kind of expected that. SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Way too childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 It's shit. SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I've owned the OST of HOOK, since 1991, and the LLL, since I-don't-know-when, and it still doesn't do much, for me. BANNING BACK HOME (either version) is, by far, my favourite track. It's the best thing that Dave Grusin never wrote QuartalHarmony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Hook is a very reactive score. I think because of the broadway play inspiration, JW scored the music to accent or sync with so much of the on screen action, you can hear how the music is constantly performing musical gymnastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,278 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I think, the very opposite is the case. There is hardly a movie that leaves so much space for the music as Hook. Probably because it was originally planned as a musical. What might be a point is that when you expect a score to have one main theme and maybe a secondary theme and one action theme and maybe one scary theme and that's it, then Hook might be hard to get hold of. Too many concise themes coming and going and returning all the time throughout the movie. But it is more or less like in the Star Wars original trilogy. So, I am tempted to say, if you don't like Hook, how can you like for example Return of the Jedi? I mean just the score, not the movie. Of course Hook is a score to a children's movie. That is surely not for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 10:43 PM, Bellosh said: Unpopular Opinion: I've never been able to get into Hook. I dig the 'Prologue' concert suite, but that's about it. One of Williams best themes, hands down I think: Not even in the movie or main ost : SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 1:43 AM, Bellosh said: Unpopular Opinion: I've never been able to get into Hook. I dig the 'Prologue' concert suite, but that's about it. I can't say I agree BUT I have never held Hook in the reverence that others do. It's a score I enjoy a lot, don't get me wrong, but it's not one of my core Williams canon favorites. Not Mr. Big, Edmilson and Bellosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Always and Always > The Days Between THERE I SAID IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 313 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 For me, it seems that the way he writes his music-cues for the action sequences of films in the ’70’s ‘80’s and ‘90’s has deteriorated in his film scores from the past decade like “Indy 4”, “Tin-Tin”, and the last three “Star Wars” films. Williams had a unique way of making his action-music from the 1970’s through the 1990’s so enjoyable to listen. He has this main melody or a motif-melody that recurs throughout an action sequence. Only this melody/motif-melody is not associated with a main character, supporting character, or even a thing (like the Ark, The Poseidon, the Force, or The Orca). It’s like this main melody is the central theme for this one sequence. Like all great composers, Williams varies this action scene’s main melody just like how he handles the marches from ‘Superman’ or ‘Raiders’--he introduces the main melody at the start and he does these things with it: Plays parts of the melody sparingly. In-between recurrences of the main melody, we hear these new passages that bridge them , giving the listener some time to be away from the main theme. Re-unites with the main melody towards the end. All this is done in a way that the listener doesn’t get tired of hearing the main melody before the sequence ends. In approaching an action sequence, it’s as if Williams writes like a ‘music composer’ first and then a ‘film composer’ second--the ‘composer’ part is when he goes nuts and comes-up with this great listening piece and the ‘film composer’ part is when he has to modify what he has written to conform to the demands of each frame in the sequence—timing, energy, speed, etc. Go and listen to these action music-cues. You’ll hear the main theme being repeated throughout the duration of the cue. I cued all these YouTube examples to the first appearance of the piece’s main melody. Tie Fighter Attack: https://youtu.be/WzU9UkVL1QA?t=123 Asteroid Field: https://youtu.be/5TbWJJMdLsY?t=137 Marketplace Fight: https://youtu.be/uhnwk5LDG5c?t=21 Motorcycle Scherzo https://youtu.be/1IFmRniWa0U?t=3 Now listen to Escape from Jakku and see if you can find that main melody. https://youtu.be/e8_2K7QNtpI?list=PLuR0quEHq9iuir7VbT4yq6eSAbU8Bp2p5 This is the sequence that really convinced me that the quality of Williams’ film-music writing is diminishing. Here, Williams is just being a ‘film composer’. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 497 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, SyncMan said: Now listen to Escape from Jakku and see if you can find that main melody. https://youtu.be/e8_2K7QNtpI?list=PLuR0quEHq9iuir7VbT4yq6eSAbU8Bp2p5 This is the sequence that really convinced me that the quality of Williams’ film-music writing is diminishing. Here, Williams is just being a ‘film composer’. I understand your point and can agree that Escape from Jakku is not Williams best action cue, but I think there are action cues from the last decade that do follow the thing you are loking for. TLJ https://youtu.be/r9RBOpB0rVA TROS https://youtu.be/jyQrRMkZR8k SyncMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Well that is not unpopular opinion, I think most here agree. I personally think that Fathiers+ speeder attack both are better than basket game, with or with out the film. Now, that is an unpopular opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,278 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 The Fathiers sounded to me in the first place like Scherzo for X-Wing without the Star Wars Theme. Still I like it. But the Escape from Jakku is for me top of the whole sequel trilogy. Second is probably "I can fly anything". And the speeder chase from TROS is to my regret the most uninteresting action queue Williams ever wrote. But to my regret as well it is quite appropriate to the scene in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I love all the atmospheric stuff in Lost World, but until ‘A Visitor in San Diego’, most of the action material’s rather bland and basic. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Yeah, he uses the same 12 tones all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 9:34 PM, Kasey Kockroach said: I love all the atmospheric stuff in Lost World, but until ‘A Visitor in San Diego’, most of the action material’s rather bland and basic. The latter is not true at all. Belongs to this thread for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 8:37 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, he uses the same 12 tones all the time! Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Rescuing Sarah is a mostly percussion whacking for five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 That is my favourite track of all time, you maniac! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It’s good percussion, at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Brundlefly said: That is my favourite track of all time, you maniac! It's certainly my favourite track on TLW. 13 hours ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Rescuing Sarah is a mostly percussion whacking for five minutes. Your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 19 hours ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Rescuing Sarah is a mostly percussion whacking for five minutes. It just goes on and on and on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm not even sure this belongs here but where else would I put it? It's always a nice surprise easter egg when JW sneaks in some cimbalom to add to the texture but it quickly turns to disappointment that he very rarely does anything more with the instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Holko said: I'm not even sure this belongs here but where else would I put it? It's always a nice surprise easter egg when JW sneaks in some cimbalom to add to the texture but it quickly turns to disappointment that he very rarely does anything more with the instrument. Isn't usually a synth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,240 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 12:46 PM, Spider-Fal said: Isn't usually a synth? It definitely is in The Force Awakens (from the end of ‘On The Inside’), synth doubled with harp: Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 hours ago, BrotherSound said: It definitely is in The Force Awakens Interesting! I don't suppose we have similar fitting leak excerpts for Black Sunday, Dracula, KoCS? It must be a real one in Schindler, it's prominent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I was told a couple of years ago that at present almost every use of cimbalom, celeste and others are always synth since is cheaper and the sound is almost indistinguishable. So maybe in Black Sunday, Dracula and Schindler's List is real, but almost certain it would be synth in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,797 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I haven't bought the Vienna Bluray/cd because I generally don't like concerts/compilations of music. I don't like pot-pourrits of music because once I'm in a mood of something, I don't like changing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 So this release would be without the inserts recorded after the concert, right? So they could actually call it the maximum flubs edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 There are too many JW polls on JWFAN.😗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 You're welcome to start polls about other subjects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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