bruce marshall 1,305 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jay said: You're welcome to start polls about other subjects The topic was " unpopular opinions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted December 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2020 The Last Jedi really is a fantastic score. Btw, mostly in an expanded version. Smaug The Iron, Edmilson, Taikomochi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,254 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Not sure if this is really an unpopular opinion. But usually in Williams' soundtracks I like the secondary theme better than the main theme, e.g. Force theme over SW main theme, Over the Moon over Flying, Remembrances over theme from Schindler's List, Star of Betlehem over In your Memory, Cinque's theme over Dry your Tears Africa etc. JTN and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,305 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Don't forget JP..that majestic theme kicks the title themes ass! GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,381 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Not sure if this is really an unpopular opinion. But usually in Williams' soundtracks I like the secondary theme better than the main theme, e.g. Force theme over SW main theme, Over the Moon over Flying, Remembrances over theme from Schindler's List, Star of Betlehem over In your Memory, Cinque's theme over Dry your Tears Africa etc. I agree, the secondary theme is my favourite in 80% of all cases. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,254 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 By the way. What is the secondary theme in Raiders of the Lost Ark? The Map Room or Marion's Theme? Anyway, both I like better than the March. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,280 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: By the way. What is the secondary theme in Raiders of the Lost Ark? The Map Room or Marion's Theme? Anyway, both I like better than the March. Definitely the Ark theme, without a doubt. Indiana Jones does have that secondary motif that only shows up in Raiders though. It's sort of his "in a temple motif" heard in "The Idol Temple" and "Indy Rides the Statue." GerateWohl and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bellosh 3,280 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I don't think the Ark theme being secondary is arbitrary at all. I think it's the definitive secondary theme of Raiders. Unless you're talking about the motifs I mentioned (which I in no way was assuming were themes or secondary themes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,589 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Ideally this entire thread would be named 'unusual' opinions, rather than unpopular. The latter implies that others' listening enjoyment is somehow affected by one person's dislike of a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,254 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Here is maybe another unpopular/unusual oppinion (maybe not). Recently I heard in a video, that the Star Wars main theme might be one of the most recogizable themes in movie history. I don't think so. If I hadn't heard it a zillion times and would hear it out of context, I think, I wouldn't find it very recogizable. Themes like the Raider's March, Hedwig's Theme, Doctor Schiwago or Pink Panther are mich much more recogizable. I even think, it is a strength of the Star Wars main theme that it is not so super recognizable. You don't get that quickly annoyed by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Personally, I wouldn't care if I never heard another note of STAR WARS ever again...but to be without THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST...now that's a different matter, entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,904 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 You're such a snob, Richard. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Huh?! How dare you! I've now't against STAR WARS, but, over the years, it's the "quiter", more contemplative scores that have come to mean more to me, than the "sturm und drang" of the more "popular" works. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,254 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Personally, I wouldn't care if I never heard another note of STAR WARS ever again...but to be without THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST...now that's a different matter, entirely. Interesting. I feel the exact opposite. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,904 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 John Williams is overrated as a guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 And you are running out of the jokes!! Wait... you never succeeded in those... My bad Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,231 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/27/2020 at 9:20 AM, Naïve Old Fart said: Huh?! How dare you! I've now't against STAR WARS, but, over the years, it's the "quiter", more contemplative scores that have come to mean more to me, than the "sturm und drang" of the more "popular" works. bruce marshall and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: John Williams is overrated as a guitarist. Bollocks! He's great in Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,305 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Bollocks! He's great in Sky. ....and DIAL M FOR MURDER! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 TROS is better treated in-film than TFA (the weakest mixed in-film JW score ever) At most times, it rivals TLJ's high score mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,798 Posted December 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2020 I'm not a fan of how JW approached the lightsaber battles in the sequel trilogy. I don't mind the mickey-mousing approach, but it's too much. I would have loved if he did something more based on the emotion of the scene with mickey-mousing on top of it. As is, it feels like JW was too concerned with hitting every single hitpoint, which works both in detriment of the music and the film. artguy360, Bofur01 and nefaeryous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,586 Posted December 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: I'm not a fan of how JW approached the lightsaber battles in the sequel trilogy. I don't mind the mickey-mousing approach, but it's too much. I would have loved if he did something more based on the emotion of the scene with mickey-mousing on top of it. As is, it feels like JW was too concerned with hitting every single hitpoint, which works both in detriment of the music and the film. When you work for the mouse, you score like the mouse. SteveMc, michael_grig and Trope 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tom said: When you work for the mouse, you score like the mouse. Trope, Tom, michael_grig and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,836 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: I'm not a fan of how JW approached the lightsaber battles in the sequel trilogy. I don't mind the mickey-mousing approach, but it's too much. I would have loved if he did something more based on the emotion of the scene with mickey-mousing on top of it. As is, it feels like JW was too concerned with hitting every single hitpoint, which works both in detriment of the music and the film. I agree for TLJ and TROS. In TLJ both Rey's fight with Luke and Luke vs Kylo are scored like action scenes instead of scoring the emotion or subtext. In TFA, I thought JW did a good job grounding Rey vs Kylo in their respective themes. TROS is all mickey-mouse lightsaber action music, much to the detriment of the film and score, as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,305 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 John Barry wouldn't have done it that way. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 5:02 AM, Not Mr. Big said: TROS is better treated in-film than TFA (the weakest mixed in-film JW score ever) At most times, it rivals TLJ's high score mix Somehow the music in TROS sounds a lot more clear when I’m just watching it on TV or listening with headphones... much better than in cinema where the sound effects were just overbearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,904 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Haven't seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,280 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I can NOT stand the choral work in Munich. Everything else about that score I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett 140 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Unpopular opinion: Call of the Champions is Williams’ best olympic theme. Like this comment if you disagree. Jay, Taikomochi and Martinland 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 936 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Dartmoor 1912 is the best of his many concert arrangements Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 WAR HORSE: boring film, and boring score. Both try too hard, and both do absolutely nothing, for me. JTN, Joni Wiljami, Madmartigan JC and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,589 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 The score does nothing new whatsoever, but what it does do - painting a picture of rural England - it does it well. That said, I think the more sugary or tragic bits are Williams going OTT - I could never stand Death of Topthorn. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: ... what it does do - painting a picture of rural England Forget it. Listen to the last part of "Carrie's Bedroom". That's rural England, and it's written by an Englishman. JANE EYRE does rural England so much better. WAR HORSE is simply ingratiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,586 Posted March 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2023 Tintin is Wiliams's best score of the last 19 years (or since POA). A compete score release would win converts to my cause. Taikomochi, TolkienSS, Brónach and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 936 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Tom said: Tintin is Wiliams's best score of the last 19 years (or since POA). A compete score release would win converts to my cause. I feel the exact same way about B.F.G. I like TinTin too, for what it's worth 17 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: WAR HORSE: boring film, and boring score. I only saw it once when it came out, and I don't really remember how I felt about it. I think I liked it well enough. I'm singling out the concert arrangement, which I think is very strong , and musically interesting, not the full score, which I haven't heard enough to have an opinion about. Naïve Old Fart and Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,254 Posted March 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2023 War Horse had the best musical themes since Jurassic Park. Trope, Taikomochi, Brónach and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Superman and Hook are objectively the most overrated JW scores (judging by extensive twitter studies I took) JTN and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 HOOK? Absolutely. SUPERMAN? Fuck that shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 It's just not on the level of SW or Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TolkienSS 400 Posted April 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2023 Here's one: Rose's Theme from Last Jedi is not only the most irrelevant main theme John Williams has written for Star Wars, it's probably the most irrelevant main theme Williams has written for any of his movies. A. A. Ron, Trope and GerateWohl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, TolkienSS said: Here's one: Rose's Theme from Last Jedi is not only the most irrelevant main theme John Williams has written for Star Wars, it's probably the most irrelevant main theme Williams has written for any of his movies. One of the few times he wasn't able to capture the heart of the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,254 Posted April 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: One of the few times he wasn't able to capture the heart of the movie That's part of the issue. The movie has no heart. Trope, A. A. Ron, QuartalHarmony and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,836 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: That's part of the issue. The movie has no heart. I agree and I actually like TLJ. But it has no singular narrative thrust that JW could write a theme for or an important new relationship to write a theme for. I love the score for TLJ, but its highlights are all set pieces, not new themes. In a way, I feel the same about TPM, but in that case the originality and energy of the music was so much greater. Joni Wiljami and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: That's part of the issue. The movie has no heart. I feel like the script's theme of overcoming failure or whatever counts as good heart but the execution doesn't lend itself to a cohesive musical identity (since it's more subtextual than a concrete conflict and also because it doesn't really inform the tone of the film itself, which is largely comedic) Like if the film had maintained a consistent downtrodden yet hopeful tone maybe JW could have written some kind of unifying theme that fits with that idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,387 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 21 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: It's just not on the level of SW or Indiana Jones You're absolutely right. SUPERMAN shits all over STAR WARS and INDIANA JONES from a very great height. 13 hours ago, GerateWohl said: The movie has no heart. Yet it still manages to be the best film of the ST, by a country mile. danbeck and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 TLJ is the best film(and music) of all sequels and prequels. Fits the last comments and the title of this thread. Taikomochi and JTN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,381 Posted July 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2023 John Williams' Indiana Jones 5 score was more generic in-film than Lorne Balfe's Mission Impossible 7 score and had waaay less identity than Ludwig Göransson's Oppenheimer. Jurassic Shark, JTN and TolkienSS 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 31/03/2023 at 7:20 PM, Not Mr. Big said: It's just not on the level of SW or Indiana Jones i like close encounters better than sw and superman On 30/03/2023 at 4:37 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: JANE EYRE does rural England so much better. WAR HORSE is simply ingratiating. i don't want rural england, i want whatever WAR HORSE is doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,613 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 30/12/2020 at 10:02 PM, Not Mr. Big said: TROS is better treated in-film than TFA (the weakest mixed in-film JW score ever) At most times, it rivals TLJ's high score mix What the fuck was I thinking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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