Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 He's just forgotten about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,373 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Edmilson said: We should really be asking ourselves, does Williams want to see more of his music available? Or does he think the OST is more than enough? IF Williams wants, the expanded editions for the ST scores will happen someday. Williams has approved tons of recent expanded releases and even asked Mike to do some (thinking of Dracula and Earthquake). There is no doubt he would appreciate expanded Star Wars releases with improved sound, as long as they are done properly. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Williams is very much in favor of expanded releases of his music, except when he's not (Sugarland Express, The Rare Breed, some source music) Holko, Chewy, bollemanneke and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, Drew said: Solo will be a test to see if it is economically feasible to release the rest. So buy it!!! In fact, all of us must buy 10 copies each! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, Jay said: It makes sense to me why Solo might be first SW 1-6 = analog recordings, a producer with experience working on old elements needs to be involved SW 7-9 = digital recordings, but billions of alternates for ever-changing cuts, plus recorded in LA so cost is a factor Rogue One = digital recordings, can quickly assemble deluxe program, but recorded in LA so cost is a factor Solo = digital recordings, can quickly assemble deluxe program, plus recorded in London so no re-use fees = easiest to make happen first Fair enough. (I forgot that the PT was analog!) bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I wonder if Mike is involved in this release in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Datameister said: Fair enough. (I forgot that the PT was analog!) The prequel trilogy scores were certainly edited at the time digitally, but analog tape was recording every take of every cue as well - we know analog elements were recently freshly transferred under the supervision of Shawn Murphy to rebuild the prequel OST albums. These new transfers were likely something like 192khz/24bit or maybe even 384khz/32bit, while the master files at the time in 99/02/05 were probably 44.1/16, 44.1/24, 48/16, or at best 48/24. And that's why 1-6 requires special care that 7-9 and the spinoff scores do not; Not only would the producer/editor to have to watch out for specific things that only happen with analog elements (wow, flutter, etc), but they would also have to rebuild every single cue from scratch from all the different takes. This is something Mike and Neil do very well, their meticulous attention to detail ensure they are using the correct take originally chosen at the time by Williams and co when they first recorded the music, frame by frame. This is something most other producers do not do, such as Murphy's prequel rebuilds, the 1996/2002 ET albums, the 2012 Hook expansion, and many other releases that have released the wrong takes in spots. For 7-9 and the spinoff scores, there are no more wrong takes to worry about; After the orchestra recorded all the takes, the definitive version of the cue is assembled digitally in high definition and that persists forever (unless someone loses all hard drives containing the cue archive or something). For a Williams example, this is how Harry Potter 2 and 3 came to Mike - already performance-edited in super high quality. Harry Potter 1 was not in high quality, so he had the original tapes transferred (which LLL thankfully agreed to pay for) and he rebuilt every single performance edit from scratch using that so that it could join its brothers. So that's why it's relatively easy to do a new longer album for scores like Giacchino's Treks, or this Powell: There's a straightforward archive of cues in perfect quality, and you just pick the order you want them to be on a new album, and overlap together the ones you want to overlap together... and you're done! (maybe you send it to a Patricia Sullivan type for final mastering). Older scores require anywhere from a small to a HUGE amount of up-front work, before you get to the point that these newer scores are starting from. And of course with 7-9, even though there's (presumably) a perfect digital archive of every cue, perfectly edited in proper high definition, those three particular scores (especially 7 and 9) had so many rewrites, inserts, alternates, overlays, etc, that it takes a producer with a lot of experience to shape all that music into a presentable album experience. Rogue One is known to have very little to no alternates, it would probably be pretty easy to end up with a Deluxe Edition album like his three Star Trek Deluxe Edition albums. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that one comes out next, presuming the re-use fees for being recorded in LA aren't too cost prohibitive. bollemanneke, Yavar Moradi, Remco and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jay said: The prequel trilogy was presumably edited at the time digitally, but analog tape was running and that was the first gen master Weren't both analogue and digital recorded simultaneously for those scores, so there's both analogue and digital first gen masters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wonder if Mike is involved in this release in any way. He wasn't 55 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Weren't both analogue and digital recorded simultaneously for those scores, so there's both analogue and digital first gen masters? Yep bollemanneke, Jurassic Shark and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 216 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Didn't see this coming at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I'm not on Instagram, but has anyone (or can anyone) asked John Powell if there is a CD release coming for this as well? Also, has anyone reached out to Giacchino on social media with this news to possibly encourage him to push for a deluxe edition for Rogue One? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 No, the plan is to let that score die in silence. A. A. Ron, Smeltington, bollemanneke and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Giacchino would have to not only push for Disney Records to be willing to release it at all, but also push for Disney Records to pay the expensive re-use fees for a 2 hour score recorded in LA. This is something Powell did not have to worry about, because Solo was recorded in London. bollemanneke, Remco, Dr. Rick and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Where were Gia's Trek scores recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 As far as I know, the only Giacchino scores not recorded in the United States were Jupiter Ascending and Fallen Kingdom, which were both recorded in London (JWFK used Abbey Road, I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Jupiter Ascending had three different sets of recording sessions the original suites before they filmed the movie, conducted by Ludwig Wicki at Abbey Road the original score cues for edited footage, conducted by Robert Ziegler at Abbey Road a final round of inserts, revisions, patches, and additional cues, conducted by Tim Simonec with union musicians at the Newman Scoring Stage in LA Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scallenger 481 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Solo and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom were my favorite scores of 2018, and some of the best in the past decade imo. As others have noted, Solo didn't even have an FYC or any other "leaks", so having this arrive is so freaking awesome! I guess the possibility of a limited CD version is out? Is this the future of film music anyhow, to have digital releases? I wouldn't be opposed anymore, honestly. General music is widely available online, and film music should be too. And not JUST the OST releases, like is currently the model. These complete releases should have the same availability in the modern digital market so an aspiring 15 year old can use their parent's PayPal to listen to... well in this real case, the complete release of Solo! Instead of scouring on ebay for for out of print CD copies and paying 3 times as much on their poor parent's account and then have to explain themselves when the CD comes in the mail. For example: Jurassic Park and The Lost World. The set is out of print, and fetches for a pretty penny now. The Amazon digital release is only the OST (edit: in JP's case there is also the 25th anniversary edition, but we know that wasn't complete either!). So this fictional 15 year old I speak of can never hear the wonders of "Race to the Dock" and "Ripples"?! NO. lol. Anyway, congrats on Solo! Powell should be proud of this score. It's my favorite of his next to his How To Train Your Dragon trilogy. Hey... can THOSE be next, please? Holko, Smaug The Iron, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, scallenger said: I guess the possibility of a limited CD version is out? Anything is possible, but this Deluxe Edition is certainly more likely to get a vinyl release than a compact disc one Quote Is this the future of film music anyhow, to have digital releases? Yea bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,510 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Jay said: this Deluxe Edition getting a vinyl release is certainly much more likely than a compact disc one Gurkensalat, bollemanneke and DrTenma 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 >shrug< It's not what the majority of people on film score discussion boards want, but it is what sells in 2020 BryonDavis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I don't care where Giacchino records his stuff, it all sounds devoid of life anyway. As for vinyl... I'm really gonna have to buy a turntable, aren't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Nah, just buy digital and play on your device of choice that way bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 While this is very cool news, I would be really, REALLY disappointed if we can't buy the eventual Williams SW expansions physically. 3 hours ago, Holko said: In fact, all of us must buy 10 copies each! Depending on the platforms it's sold on, you might not even be able to buy it more than once per platform! (At least not without creating multiple accounts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I think Disney Records releases their digital albums to all the digital music stores, including the ones that sell lossless files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Probably said somewhere before, but anybody reckon this is a testing of the waters for interest in expanded Star Wars scores? I'm getting that vibe from both this and JFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: While this is very cool news, I would be really, REALLY disappointed if we can't buy the eventual Williams SW expansions physically. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Giftheck said: Probably said somewhere before, but anybody reckon this is a testing of the waters for interest in expanded Star Wars scores? I'm getting that vibe from both this and JFO. I'm sure if this sells well, Disney Records would be more likely to fund expansions of other Star Wars scores than they were before JibberJabberwocky and Giftheck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Well, I really liked this so this is a no brainer purchase for me. I can't wait to hear more of it! 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: As far as I know, the only Giacchino scores not recorded in the United States were Jupiter Ascending and Fallen Kingdom, which were both recorded in London (JWFK used Abbey Road, I guess). Yes, according to the booklet, JWFK was recorded in Abbey Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: I'm sure if this sells well I just don't know what that means in 2020. Music in general doesn't sell well anymore, soundtracks certainly don't sell well, and this is a soundtrack for a movie that bombed and is not generally a favorite among Star Wars fans. I guess they'll have their own benchmarks of what doing well is in terms of both streaming numbers and sales. But honestly the pessimist in me thinks this is a complete one-off that only happened because Powell really wanted to do it and that Disney doesn't really care and has no long-term plans for Star Wars music. Tiburon, A. A. Ron and JibberJabberwocky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I'm guessing success will be gauged by number of streams, and also profit from the inevitable $50 vinyl edition,and $150 vinyl super deluxe edition :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Pardon my ignorance, but where can I expect to buy this? As in, actual FLAC files I can do with whatever I want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I had a look in this resurrected thread as I assumed someone had revisited the score after a few years and had written some thoughts. What a nice surprise! I haven't seen the film, so the album is all I need for now, but Powell's amazing in this mode, so I'll certainly give the complete score a listen. Couldn't care less about it only being digital - I think releasing it this way makes the release way more likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Pardon my ignorance, but where can I expect to buy this? As in, actual FLAC files I can do with whatever I want? http://www.hdtracks.com http://www.7digital.com http://www.qobuz.com bollemanneke, Fabulin and Molly Weasley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 481 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Apart from Solo not being a universally liked film (I thought it was actually pretty good, although with some issues), I think the soundtrack for it is largely liked/loved within the soundtrack community. So here's hoping that will be enough to get some people to go after this. Plus, it DOES help that it features more Williams music. They should play that bit up a little more for the nerds like us. greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 I just saw the news now! HOLY FUCKING SHIT BALLS YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another huge step to getting prequel expansions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Giftheck, Chewy and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Ah yes, give me that Imperial March fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Weasley 100 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I had a look in this resurrected thread as I assumed someone had revisited the score after a few years and had written some thoughts. What a nice surprise! I stayed subscribed to it for this reason, but thought it would never happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 It’s amazing generally how Powell treats his fans. Not just speaking about this release, but also his online presence (talking about the themes of his scores and such) it’s almost like he is a film composer who started out as a film music fan. Bofur01, Molly Weasley, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Always been a fan of Powell since he sent me a signed copy of Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Ecstatic about this news! Never thought Solo would be the first SW score to get an expansion under Walt Disney Records but I love the score and it's filled with unreleased highlights. I might ask him on Instagram if that beautiful horn cue at the end will be included. I love that Powell himself is showing a newfound interest in producing score expansions (wonder if someone at LLL nudged him to look at Solo after he finished FON for them?) I guess, with everyone staying home and film scoring on hiatus, composers have free time on their hands to work on projects like this. Would love to see Powell tackle HTTYD with the labels next! 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I had a look in this resurrected thread as I assumed someone had revisited the score after a few years and had written some thoughts. What a nice surprise! Yeah pure fluke that I checked this thread when I saw it bumped. @Jay what do you think about updating the thread title to mention the Deluxe Edition coming from WDR in November, for anyone who missed the news? 8 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: A reminder of some unreleased highlights, as per Holko. Couldn't see this cue listed in @Holko's list, but it's one of my favourite unreleased moments (and very Williams; wouldn't be surprised if it's a straight recording of one of his fully orchestrated cues): jurassicjello · Return to the Village A long time ago, Holko said: Going to Hyperspace - glorious Han A with sleighbells Probably the best of all the unreleased cues, partially included in the end credits (or maybe not, if that's a separate recording per Powell's comment?) jurassicjello · Falcon To Hyperspace Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 No CD Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The credits cue is an edit in the film. A poster on the filmtracks scoreboard claims to have edited the credits cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: The credits cue is an edit in the film. I'd love more context on this. So Powell wrote a legit credits suite and they hacked it up in the film/replaced it with tracked excerpts from the score proper, ala TLJ? @BrotherSound vaguely recall you had some info about the sheet music on this score. Is there anything substantial we could ask Powell about, regarding unreleased or alternate cues? Powell confirmed on Instagram that every track from the film is included. No word on bonuses/alternates. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Since Powell specifically chose to mention the end credits cue in the short announcement, it's clear to me that what we heard in the final film was not his original intentions, and now we'll get to hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Such great news! Only going from memory but the film credits were just a tracked combination of Mine Mission, Flying with Chewy and Lando's Closet (I think that last one had a film alternate too), after the prerequisite End Credits fanfare and reprise of Falcon to Hyperspace cue, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, crumbs said: Only going from memory but the film credits were just a tracked combination According to the online repertoires the end credits "Crawl" consists of 1M04-05 Corellia Chase, 2M13 Chewie Untamed, 4M28 Lando's Closet, and 4M30B Mines Pt.2: Finding Coaxium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, CGCJ said: According to the online repertoires the end credits "Crawl" consists of 1M04-05 Corellia Chase, 2M13 Chewie Untamed, 4M28 Lando's Closet, and 4M30B Mines Pt.2: Finding Coaxium. Nice one! So the credits suite should be totally different material then (or at least, differently adapted material and hopefully a separate recording!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, crumbs said: I'd love more context on this. So Powell wrote a legit credits suite and they hacked it up in the film/replaced it with tracked excerpts from the score proper, ala TLJ? @BrotherSound vaguely recall you had some info about the sheet music on this score. Is there anything substantial we could ask Powell about, regarding unreleased or alternate cues? Powell confirmed on Instagram that every track from the film is included. No word on bonuses/alternates. From Nate U(nderkuffler): Quote "As the guy who cut the end credits suite together from various score cues, this has me very intrigued as to what is meant by 'original unedited version of end credits suite' as there had never been talk of writing or recording an original end credits piece during the dub. If they use one of my earlier versions of the end credits, that would be certainly awesome, as I preferred those before various notes from various sources forced it to change! That is probably a long shot, but hey...maybe Powell has made a new edit for this release? Maybe there was even a written version of the end credits from before the final dub that I wasn't told about? Whatever the case, pretty cool. N8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, Arpy said: No CD One should not rule out that Intrada might be able to make it happen. They've done Marvel titles so why not Solo? 4 hours ago, Jay said: I think Disney Records releases their digital albums to all the digital music stores, including the ones that sell lossless files They do. Universal Music handles it. If they provide an HD version to them, it will be on all the distributed 24 bit sites (HDT, Qobuz, Tidal, 7Digital, Amazon's new service). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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