crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 JOHN POWELL JUST RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *HYPERVENTILATES* BrotherSound, Falstaft and bruce marshall 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Jay said: Giacchino would have to not only push for Disney Records to be willing to release it at all, but also push for Disney Records to pay the expensive re-use fees for a 2 hour score recorded in LA. This is something Powell did not have to worry about, because Solo was recorded in London. There would be no reuse fees on any album selling less than 15K. Also, streaming is forever. There is another reason why bigger labels do this, the AFM does not count streams against the reuse payment threshold. On 12/16/2019 at 7:42 AM, publicist said: Nobody suggested such bs, it's more like preemptive obedience, i. e. LLL will not risk raised eyebrows when they release a score everyone fears Williams has issues with. You guys often make mountains out of molehills, really. 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 An expanded Star Wars B movie soundtrack is announced, and instantly, everyone is taking it as a sign, expecting expanded releases to all 9 films, and talking themselves into reasons why this absolutely must be the case. Classic JWfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, BryonDavis said: One should not rule out that Intrada might be able to make it happen. They've done Marvel titles so why not Solo? True. Powell says no CD but Intrada might pick it up in a few years and add some bonus cues (as it seems there won't be bonuses/alternates included on the digital release, unless he changes his mind ) 10 minutes ago, BryonDavis said: There would be no reuse fees on any album selling less than 15K. Also, streaming is forever. There is another reason why bigger labels do this, the AFM does not count streams against the reuse payment threshold. Wait, what? That's the first I'm hearing that LA fees don't apply if less than 15,000 physical units are sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, gkgyver said: An expanded Star Wars B movie soundtrack is announced, and instantly, everyone is taking it as a sign, expecting expanded releases to all 9 films, and talking themselves into reasons why this absolutely must be the case. Classic JWfan. Many of us are plenty excited just for this specific expanded release of a great score Not Mr. Big, A. A. Ron, mstrox and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Gives new meaning to "c & c"! So. Is. MOD dead?😞😥 At one time, it seemed to be the answer for us physical media dinosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, BryonDavis said: There would be no reuse fees on any album selling less than 15K. Also, streaming is forever. There is another reason why bigger labels do this, the AFM does not count streams against the reuse payment threshold. !!!!! This is huge news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I wonder if that's why Trek 09 got a second release? That's only 1500 copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jay said: !!!!! This is huge news Yeah, that was probably even more noteworthy than the mention of 15,000 units not being subject to the fees. If true, Disney could release the sequels/Rogue One digitally and not pay the reuse fees! Seems almost too good to be true... 1 minute ago, Arpy said: I wonder if that's why Trek 09 got a second release? That's only 1500 copies. I've often wondered how those expansions were affordable, unless someone foot the exorbitant bill (maybe Giacchino himself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Yea, why not just release a quick digital album of every finished cue its own own track about a year after the OST album for the fans to enjoy the cues they wan, for every score there ist. There'd be nothing to lose according to this information. Which makes me think there's gotta be more to it bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Deals cut between streaming platforms and Disney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Which makes me think there's gotta be more to it And the 'no fees under 15,000 units' doesn't seem right either, because various reps from the labels have repeatedly told us that anything post-2005 is prohibitively expensive and can't be expanded (Avatar springs to mind because the AFM refused to waive the fees; I think Intrada were trying to release that one?) Also Mike gave an explanation about the fee structure and made no mention of exceptions or fee-free thresholds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Here is Mike's post again On 12/1/2019 at 12:31 PM, Jay said: For AFM recordings made before July 3, 2005, NO reuse needs to be paid to the musicians at all, provided a) that it’s for a physical format release with a 5000 unit maximum, and b) that the musicians list is published, preferably in the packaging. For recordings made after that date, whatever the musicians were paid to record the score for the film has to be paid to them again, 100%. That’s why it’s called “reuse”. They were paid to play music for sync purposes, but an album is a new use. So, hypothetically, if 120 people were paid $360,000 to record the music for the film (musicians, orchestrators, copyists, at an average of $3K a person), then a label would have to pay that exact same amount to AFM in order to put out an expanded album. That makes it impossible to consider even before you get to licensing, publishing, production and manufacturing. The 2005 date was established in 2015 and applied to recordings going back 10 years prior, but unfortunately it was not a “sliding” date as it really should have been. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Crowd funding is out the window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, crumbs said: @BrotherSound vaguely recall you had some info about the sheet music on this score. Is there anything substantial we could ask Powell about, regarding unreleased or alternate cues? The only thing in the sheet music leak for the end credits is just the standard opening bit, so I’m quite keen to see what the deal is here. It sounds like alternates won’t be included, but there doesn’t seem to be any major revelations there: there’s quite a few inserts, but most of them are minor tweaks to instrumentation or minor additions or subtractions to accommodate the changes in the timing of the film as it was edited. crumbs and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,337 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 For the nine Skywalker Soundtracks I would even love to have a whole re-recording of the complete soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: It sounds like alternates won’t be included, but there doesn’t seem to be any major revelations there: there’s quite a few inserts, but most of them are minor tweaks to instrumentation or minor additions or subtractions to accommodate the changes in the timing of the film as it was edited. Good to hear there's nothing substantial then, otherwise I'd be bombarding him with comments asking for bonus tracks Didn't you mention some type of wildly different Imperial March transition early in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Didn't you mention some type of wildly different Imperial March transition early in the film? Yeah, but it’s nothing you haven’t already heard: 1M9 Imperial March is the ‘Aboard the Executor’ cue from ESB, including the tracked imperial march statement. I think JKMS took this more or less straight from the LTP version. Imperial Theme - Edwardian Style (no slate) is the music heard in the commercial. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 Well, it was worth asking DrTenma, Yavar Moradi, Edmilson and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 He hasn't even assembled this yet? Then why announce it? Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Yeah, but it’s nothing you haven’t already heard: 1M9 Imperial March is the ‘Aboard the Executor’ cue from ESB, including the tracked imperial march statement. I think JKMS took this more or less straight from the LTP version. Imperial Theme - Edwardian Style (no slate) is the music heard in the commercial. Good to know! Probably unlikely to be included if it's just a straight re-recording of JW music. Looks like the tracklist & included music is still being finalised too but he's trying to keep it around 2 hours. Powell seems pretty engaged with fans, wonder if he'd consider including some inserts as bonus tracks if we specifically asked? Can never have too much Star Wars music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PrayodiBA 517 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 Screenshot from JP’s latest IG story: I really love how JP seems to know and try to relate with filmmusic fans’s specific wishes and concerns, such as really long tracks and complete track title order. It wont be surprising if Powell may have taken a look at this forum, FSM or filmtracks, to hear what we say. TSMefford, DemonStar, Edmilson and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: He hasn't even assembled this yet? Then why announce it? Weird. Maybe he's just excited to get his music out there and finally got the approval from Disney to announce it on his socials. Not sure what's so weird about that? It sounds like work is underway but they just haven't finalised what they're including yet. It's cool that Disney let the composer announce it directly to fans rather than a boring press release or something. Holko and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said: Screenshot from JP’s latest IG story: I really love how JP seems to know and try to relate with filmmusic fans’s specific wishes and concerns, such as really long tracks and complete track title order. It wont be surprising if Powell may have taken a look at this forum, FSM or filmtracks, to hear what we say. "+ there will be at least 4 tracks running 10+ min!" Oh no. I can't think of any parts of the film that have 10 mins of music back to back. This concerns me it will be another Jedi Fallen Order scenario where lots of separate cues are joined together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 Lack of physical release aside, this is terrific news. I will definitely be getting myself a lossless download copy. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, GiacchinoCues said: Oh no. I can't think of any parts of the film that have 10 mins of music back to back. This concerns me it will be another Jedi Fallen Order scenario where lots of separate cues are joined together. It's pretty standard for SW films to have cues written that overlap each other, but are separate on the OST. I haven't watched the film in a while but I would've thought the music is bubbling along for most of the runtime and designed to overlap? Guess he's taking inspiration from the '97 SEs (can't say I loved those gigantic ROTJ tracks though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, GiacchinoCues said: "+ there will be at least 4 tracks running 10+ min!" Oh no. I can't think of any parts of the film that have 10 mins of music back to back. This concerns me it will be another Jedi Fallen Order scenario where lots of separate cues are joined together. God forbid! What a tragic development! Every Cue Seperate!😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Wow amazong news. At first i thought it was some king of aprils fools.... Hope the williams scores and rogue one come some day in the future.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Arpy said: No CD That's bad news but if there's a digital lossless option I'm happy enough. The better part is that this gives us (more) hope to get Deluxe editions of the prequels and sequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, bruce marshall said: God forbid! What a tragic development! Every Cue Seperate!😒 It immediately limits the choice of the listener. Someone may only want to program the middle section of a 10 minute track into their playlist. Why remove this option for them? If someone still wants to listen to the full thing, they can still do so even if the cues are separated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,984 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 For me it doesn't matter that much either way. If cues are meant to be joined then it makes sense to do that. Karol crumbs, Evanus, Not Mr. Big and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, GiacchinoCues said: "+ there will be at least 4 tracks running 10+ min!" Oh no. I can't think of any parts of the film that have 10 mins of music back to back. This concerns me it will be another Jedi Fallen Order scenario where lots of separate cues are joined together. Or he went full Howard Shore and wrote a 30 min cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 People with OCD will always have something to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Jay said: He hasn't even assembled this yet? Then why announce it? Weird. I don’t think that’s what his reply means. He means the program he has assembled is already over 2 hours and he thinks adding more bonus tracks would be too much. It’s a digital release so there’s no limit but I guess for Powell he doesn’t wanna put out a super long session dump or something. He’s got a listening experience in mind. crumbs, Tiburon, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I’m happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I'm happy with no alternates. Usually they're a once-and-done thing for me. I would have loved Williams's session, but if the cost would have made this prohibitive, I'll take just the film tracks. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Yeah, but it’s nothing you haven’t already heard: 1M9 Imperial March is the ‘Aboard the Executor’ cue from ESB, including the tracked imperial march statement. I think JKMS took this more or less straight from the LTP version. Imperial Theme - Edwardian Style (no slate) is the music heard in the commercial. So do we know if this was recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: People with OCD will always have something to complain about. And yet it means I'll either be right or pleasntly surprised...so win, win for me. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, aj_vader said: So do we know if this was recorded? There is no way for any of us here to know what was recorded or not, unless it appeared in the film or on the OST I guess in 2 months we'll find out exactly what was recorded aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jay said: There is no way for any of us here to know what was recorded or not, unless it appeared in the film or on the OST Someone could literally just ask Powell on Instagram if that cue was recorded and he would probably answer. I think he'd be pretty impressed if a fan asked such an obscure, specific question, actually. And who knows, someone asking to hear a specific cue unused cue might might be the difference of whether he includes it or not. He's clearly engaged with fans and happy to answer questions (he responded to both of mine and they were obscure too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: People with OCD will always have something to complain about. People who expect a release to conform exactly to their listening pattern will always complain. We've gone from 'wow, a totally unexpected complete release!' to '... but he joined some tracks...'. Jurassic Shark and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, crumbs said: Someone could literally just ask Powell on Instagram if that cue was recorded and he would probably answer. I think he'd be pretty impressed if a fan asked such an obscure, specific question, actually. And who knows, someone asking to hear a specific cue unused cue might might be the difference of whether he includes it or not. He's clearly engaged with fans and happy to answer questions (he responded to both of mine and they were obscure too). I dunno.... feels pretty weird to reference leaked sheet music to the composer himself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I guess one of those 10+ minutes tracks is the Finale + End Credits. The others might be some cues joined together. I'm fine with it, to be honest, it shows that Powell is still worried with the "listening experience". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I dunno.... feels pretty weird to reference leaked sheet music to the composer himself.... Tell him you saw the sheets in a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 If the tracks are meant to be connected, then they should be connected on album too (one of the few things the TPM Ultimate Edition did right) Molly Weasley, Tiburon, TSMefford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Weasley 100 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I seem to remember it being fairly continuous from Mine Mission through Into the Maw-ish. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 I'm assuming these 10 minute+ cues could be similar to The Quidditch Match from Harry Potter where it was recorded in separate pieces, but meant to function as a whole. I don't why you'd want something like that separated on an official release. But we'll find out when the tracklist comes out. If they have slates attached then we should know if a bunch of cues are smooshed together (3m13 - Parts 1-4 vs 3m13-16 or something) Smeltington, DrTenma, Molly Weasley and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I dunno.... feels pretty weird to reference leaked sheet music to the composer himself.... Valid point. Well, just ask on an anonymous account! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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