Jay 37,352 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Ah, I see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: The "fakery" theme only appears 3 times in the whole score, right? What are the tracks and timestamps again? 1:10 in Bunk / Proxima 1:01 in Oksana Floren 2:42 in Double-Double Cross Jay and Smaug The Iron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 What's amazing about this score is that many of its best moments (revealed even more clearly in this expansion) are instances of Powell doing something interesting with some element of Williams' Solo theme. It's like the entire composition was Matrix-uploaded into Powell's brain, as second-nature to his thinking as anything he'd written for the film himself. Almost every cue has an example of this somewhere. Heck, even the transformation of the Imperial March for "Mimban" is a great example. I really really hope we get another John Powell Star Wars score―preferably with another Williams contribution. Falstaft, Smaug The Iron, DarthDementous and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,343 Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 Finished my first listen. Random thoughts: - The second half is the best. - This release provides even more proof, as if any was still necessary, that the LSO should have performed episodes 7-9. - Powell is a genius. I simply love how he plays with all these themes. That’s one thing Williams seems to be unable/unwilling to do. Al least Powell doesn’t just repeat themes endlessly (looking at you, Force theme). - If they ever make a Cursed Child movie, Powell needs to compose it using all the HP themes by previous composers and his own new material. - Also, End Credits should never have been its own track. This transition sounds so raw. TSMefford, crumbs and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Even though we have the expanded release, my favorite track remains the already released on OST Corellia Chase. I just love the energy, the performances of Han's theme, the vibrant recording, everything about that cue is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: 1:10 in Bunk / Proxima 1:01 in Oksana Floren 2:42 in Double-Double Cross Could this be another very brief partial reference to it here? I feel the idea is similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: BTW, is the 10:34 for "Kessel Run" really accurate? The Rebel Fanfare really begins at the end of one cue, and resumes mid-theme in the next? That’s right: the cymbal swell is the beginning of 5M33C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Could this be another very brief partial reference to it here? I feel the idea is similar. I don't think so, they don't sound very similar. Plus there's no "faking" in that scene so I don't think JP would've added it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but the full album credits for the DE are on the Hans Zimmer website. http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1862 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I love this "Fakery" motif which I never knew existed until now. What/who does it represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I love this "Fakery" motif which I never knew existed until now. What/who does it represent? It signifies that someone is going to be faking something momentarily. I.e. Han fakes having a thermal detonator, Han & group fake being slaves/masters, and finally the old lady in Enfys' mask and Han having the real coaxium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,343 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I feel like I should know this, but was JW present in London for the sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I feel like I should know this, but was JW present in London for the sessions? Nope, Williams didn't go to London until later that year for the LSO concert. Someone asked Powell if JW supervised the sessions remotely from LA, but he didn't really answer the question directly. More likely JW just asked to view the sheet music or listen to some cues a few days later. He checked in with Powell regularly during the writing process, so he was probably comfortable with what Powell was doing. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but the full album credits for the DE are on the Hans Zimmer website. http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1862 On 11/20/2020 at 7:09 PM, HunterTech said: Also, for anyone who cares about the full list of who worked on what cue, Hybrid did update the DE page today on the HZ website (though Willis is missing on Extra Deluxe Mine Mission): http://hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1862 Manakin Skywalker and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: It signifies that someone is going to be faking something momentarily. I.e. Han fakes having a thermal detonator, Han & group fake being slaves/masters, and finally the old lady in Enfys' mask and Han having the real coaxium. Most interesting. Thankyou Good god so this score was written by 5 composers in all? That's something else I just found out today. Kind of diminishes the magic a bit for me. Don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I love this "Fakery" motif which I never knew existed until now. What/who does it represent? On 11/19/2020 at 4:18 PM, Anthony said: On 11/19/2020 at 4:20 PM, Falstaft said: Perfect! The "fakery motif"! On 11/19/2020 at 7:13 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: Interesting! That was one of the standout motifs that I noticed when I first saw the film; I always assumed it was either a motif for Proxima or a secondary motif for Crimson Dawn, or even just a general "bad guy" motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, stravinsky said: Most interesting. Thankyou Good god so this score was written by 5 composers in all? That's something else I just found out today. Kind of diminishes the magic a bit for me. Don't know why. The other composers have minimal involvement. You could consider them to be "assistants" basically. This is how most film scores are made nowadays... Think of it like a group project, with JP being the leader, and the other guys helping out when necessary. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2020 John Powell was the man in charge of everything, his voice shines through every second Edmilson, Holko and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 So their role is similar to William Ross for HP2? 30 minutes ago, Jay said: My third vote of thanks to you Jay this weekend. Your knowledge is inexhaustible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, stravinsky said: So their role is similar to William Ross for HP2? Somewhat, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted November 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2020 For anyone curious, a score restore of the alternate closing cue 7M44B Alt Qi'Ra Departs, as heard on the OST track Good Thing You Were Listening (and mercifully available with a clean opening & ending, for anyone planning to edit it out of the OST and into their DE). Unfortunately I couldn't do the entire sequence, due to all the tight edits on the DE for this section of the score. Faleel, ragoz350, Chewy and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Nicely done! ~ I've attempted to join "Gonna Be A Pilot" and "Mimban Battle" together, and it just doesn't sound good. Is it possible that the final chord that ends "Gonna Be A Pilot" was meant to segue into a cue for the deleted "Han as Imperial Pilot" scene that Powell never wrote? Has anybody been able to pull off a join of these two tracks that sounds good? I also haven't been able to split Maul's Call / Parting Ways at the 2:02 mark and have it sound good, because there's too much overlap... even if I bring in the longer version of the ending from OST "Good Thing You Were Listening" around 1:03ish. Has anybody been able to pull this off? Maybe with blu ray rips, or synth mockups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, Jay said: I've attempted to join "Gonna Be A Pilot" and "Mimban Battle" together, and it just doesn't sound good. Is it possible that the final chord that ends "Gonna Be A Pilot" was meant to segue into a cue for the deleted "Han as Imperial Pilot" scene that Powell never wrote? Has anybody been able to pull off a join of these two tracks that sounds good? I synced the first beat in Mimban Battle with the percussion hit at the end of Gonna Be. I like it fine, the Imp March stomps on Han A just as it begins to soar hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 That's what I did too, but I dunno, it just doesn't sound right to me. I guess they're in different keys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 So for a cue like “Corelia Chase” in which Batu Sener worked on with Powell (and any other cue where additional composers are listened) How does that work exactly? Did Batu write the whole thing and Powell is credited for his themes?Do you think Powell just developed a rough sketch of the music and handed it off to Batu as sort of an “orchestrator”? I suppose it depends on the cue/time constraints ? Always have been curious about the role of “additional composers”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, WampaRat said: So for a cue like “Corelia Chase” in which Batu Sener worked on with Powell (and any other cue where additional composers are listened) How does that work exactly? Did Batu write the whole thing and Powell is credited for his themes?Do you think Powell just developed a rough sketch of the music and handed it off to Batu as sort of an “orchestrator”? I suppose it depends on the cue/time constraints ? Always have been curious about the role of “additional composers”. It's very unlikely that it's only *orchestrating*, that's a whole credit in itself. Usually co-composing means you get a scene/cue to work on and a handful of instructions (style, motifs, themes) and then present it to your employer for a review. If he/she likes it, you continue. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, WampaRat said: So for a cue like “Corelia Chase” in which Batu Sener worked on with Powell (and any other cue where additional composers are listened) How does that work exactly? Did Batu write the whole thing and Powell is credited for his themes?Do you think Powell just developed a rough sketch of the music and handed it off to Batu as sort of an “orchestrator”? I suppose it depends on the cue/time constraints ? Always have been curious about the role of “additional composers”. Basically as Publicist said you're given a couple sections of a cue to write, usually with instructions, go back and forth with the lead composer (JP in this case) until you're both satisfied with the result. At the end all the sections of the cue are combined. Now sometimes sections would be chunks of a cue (such as specific scenes or shots) while in other cases it might just be overlays/inserts, like percussion and stuff like that. Batu in particular is credited in a lot of cues that contain extensive percussion / synth elements, so it's possible for cues like Corellia Chase he simply did some if not most of the percussion while Powell did the orchestral stuff. However to what extent they were involved for Solo we have no clue. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Thanks! All I know is that 1:34-1:53 in “Corelia Chase” for me is my favorite part in a score chalk full of highlights. The ways those strings weave all around the main Han Solo theme. Just stunning stunning stuff. Not sure if it was Powell or Sener who did that. But they deserve a medal or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 @Spider-Fal what's with the angry reactions whenever someone posts a video of restored music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 It's a joke that I didn't get to do it for my restore thread. I am not really angry about it or anything. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: I've attempted to join "Gonna Be A Pilot" and "Mimban Battle" together, and it just doesn't sound good. Is it possible that the final chord that ends "Gonna Be A Pilot" was meant to segue into a cue for the deleted "Han as Imperial Pilot" scene that Powell never wrote? Has anybody been able to pull off a join of these two tracks that sounds good? I also haven't been able to split Maul's Call / Parting Ways at the 2:02 mark and have it sound good, because there's too much overlap... even if I bring in the longer version of the ending from OST "Good Thing You Were Listening" around 1:03ish. Has anybody been able to pull this off? Maybe with blu ray rips, or synth mockups? I would assume that is the case as well; in the film then ending of Gonna Be A Pilot seems to be reverbed in order to properly segue into Mimban Battle, so that final "hit" isn't present. Just now, Spider-Fal said: It's a joke that I didn't get to do it for my restore thread. I am not really angry about it or anything. That's what I thought but I wasn't sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Sorry if this has been discussed before, but did anyone of you experience lots of clipping in Stormtrooper Karaoke? I bought the Album at Amazon (they charge much more in Germany than in the US, it seems); everything else sounds great, but this one track is really intolerable. Fortunately not one of the many great actual score cues.... so far. Just listening for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, paleo said: Sorry if this has been discussed before, but did anyone of you experience lots of clipping in Stormtrooper Karaoke? I bought the Album at Amazon (they charge much more in Germany than in the US, it seems); everything else sounds great, but this one track is really intolerable. Fortunately not one of the many great actual score cues.... so far. Just listening for the first time. Nope. Try redownloading it again and see if that helps. I had an issue with the end credits from HDTracks and redownloading it fixed the issue. JibberJabberwocky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Thanks, I will try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 So far, my only issue in terms of flow is that I definitely prefer having “The Good Guy” in-between Breakout and Reminiscence Therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted November 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2020 The real question is, was Batu an uncredited co-composer on JW's theme for Batuu? Manakin Skywalker, DrTenma and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, igger6 said: The real question is, was Batu an uncredited co-composer on JW's theme for Batuu? He wrote the whole thing while JW watched! igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Jay said: That's what I did too, but I dunno, it just doesn't sound right to me. I guess they're in different keys? The way I see it there are two ways to combine to cues... Either by emulating the film mix by combining the cues at the transition point and adding a false ending to GBAP: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zfz5B8QGJUwf0eOY9W8_EwZ4eoTRVk7G/view?usp=sharing Or by separating the cues by a single beat:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UEOAXYSkBqJRzsblbUPTKY7qhPSLuO-v/view?usp=sharing Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Wow! Both of those options sound way better than my efforts. I think I prefer version 2 but not sure Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 does sound a bit more natural IMO, plus I didn't have to lob off the ending of the preceding cue to achieve it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: 2 does sound a bit more natural IMO, plus I didn't have to lob off the ending of the preceding cue to achieve it. I left an even bigger gap between the two cues, it sounded much more natural than overlapping them. You get the reverb fade out from cue one, then right before it goes silent the drumroll introduces cue two, like taking a deep breath before the big Imperial March statement. Combining the finale with end credits was much easier though, that works effortlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: You get the reverb fade out from cue one, then right before it goes silent the drumroll introduces cue two, like taking a deep breath before the big Imperial March statement. Using a false ending and separating the cues is a little too close to "micro-editing" for my taste personally. Either one or the other is the professional way to do it, but not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Using a false ending and separating the cues is a little too close to "micro-editing" for my taste personally. Either one or the other is the professional way to do it, but not both. Reverb is in the real ending too Manakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: Reverb is in the real ending too Manakin. I'm more referring to the cutting aspect, removing the true ending entirely and replacing it. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ @Jay I attempted to split Maul's Call / Parting Ways into sections the best that I could; unfortunately 7M44 and 45 cannot be separated, but the other sections including the alternate can be quite easily. I'm assuming these are the correct splitting points. Skype Showdown Beckett Departs / Parting Ways Beckett Departs (Alt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I haven't been able to get Meet Han out of my head all day. I've only seen it once, but I think this is a case where the score greatly improves my perception of the film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crumbs 14,310 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Using a false ending and separating the cues is a little too close to "micro-editing" for my taste personally. Either one or the other is the professional way to do it, but not both. Not sure what you mean. 1M8 Gonna Be a Pilot has a natural reverb ending, which perfectly leads into the drumroll before 1M10 Mimban Battle. There's no microediting or false endings here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I'm more referring to the cutting aspect, removing the true ending entirely and replacing it. Yeah, and I am saying that he is NOT referring to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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