Jay 37,287 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Anthony said: Something which I don't recall seeing get discussed before is Battlefront 2. It came out in November 2017 - a good 6 months before Solo. Now take a listen to the track Han's Kessel Run - https://soundcloud.com/gordyhaab/06-hans-kessel-run 1:03 onwards is the quite-but-not-quite version of the Solo theme. Does anybody know when Williams recorded his demos? I find it hard to believe this just happened by coincidence and assume Gordy Haab was "in" on what Williams and Powell were working on. See here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27539-gordy-haabs-star-wars-battlefront-2-2017/page/2/&tab=comments#comment-1574233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Well, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 A little more discussion here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27580-john-powells-solo-a-star-wars-story-2018-deluxe-edition-release-coming-november-2020/&do=findComment&comment=1574593 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,392 Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 Manakin Skywalker, Jay, TSMefford and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 Beat me to it @Edmilson Great news indeed, I think? Even if purchases/downloads were only 1% that amount, it'd still be 5,000 sales ($100,000 USD revenue, based on the HDTracks price). And I agree with this guy: Faleel, Edmilson, Tydirium and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 For the tracks that only credit JW does it mean these cues were written solely by JW then recorded in London? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, artguy360 said: For the tracks that only credit JW does it mean these cues were written solely by JW then recorded in London? Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Correct. Interesting, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Why isn't JW credited on tracks where his themes are used by Powell (or his minions)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 He is on the album cover. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 The hairy guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Above Powell no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pellaeon 593 Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 Now that we have fuller recordings for both Solo and TFA, I recently listened to them back-to-back. I have to say I think TFA’s highs are higher. The themes are more memorable—eg. Rey’s, Kylo’s. The most sublime cues—eg. The Jedi Steps + Finale, The Resistance—are things I go back and listen to again and again and again. But TFA’s lows are many, and much of the film score wanders without inspiration or energy. Solo, by contrast, maintains a high level of energy and invention throughout, if never attaining TFA’s heights. I’m more likely to want to want to listen to the Solo Deluxe, whereas with TFA I am more likely to stick with the FYC. And I do love Solo, but I burn out on it. Tom Guernsey, Jay, Tiburon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,374 Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: Now that we have fuller recordings for both Solo and TFA, I recently listened to them back-to-back. I have to say I think TFA’s highs are higher. The themes are more memorable—eg. Rey’s, Kylo’s. The most sublime cues—eg. The Jedi Steps + Finale, The Resistance—are things I go back and listen to again and again and again. Rey's theme is the highlight of the whole trilogy. And while Kylo's theme can't compare with either Darth Vader's theme from Star Wars or The Imperial March it's remarkably effective. When it signaled Kylo's entrance at Disneyland's Jedi Academy you could hear people gasp. We knew who was next. Tiburon, Taikomochi, greenturnedblue and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 17 hours ago, Tallguy said: Rey's theme is the highlight of the whole trilogy. And while Kylo's theme can't compare with either Darth Vader's theme from Star Wars or The Imperial March it's remarkably effective. When it signaled Kylo's entrance at Disneyland's Jedi Academy you could hear people gasp. We knew who was next. Kylo Ren's theme might be more effective to laymen if it had a suite/concert arrangement like the Imperial March does. He has like 4 themes/motifs doesnt he? It would be neat to have all his material wrapped up nicely in one piece of music crumbs and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 17 hours ago, greenturnedblue said: Kylo Ren's theme might be more effective to laymen if it had a suite/concert arrangement like the Imperial March does. He has like 4 themes/motifs doesnt he? It would be neat to have all his material wrapped up nicely in one piece of music Absolutely. The one missed opportunity in the sequels, considering how much development the theme received (especially after the major evolution that theme undertakes in TROS!) Maybe if we're lucky JW will create a new concert suite in his spare time. I wouldn't mind a revised Rey's Theme either, now that her arc is complete (and he clearly has an affinity for Daisy and that theme more than Kylo's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Speaking of concert suites, man would I love a nice long Empire Recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 1:25 AM, Pellaeon said: whereas with TFA I am more likely to stick with the FYC Really? With all those choppy film edits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Well, yes. The longer TFA programme to which I have been listening also has the film edits (and mix). I prefer the film mix over the OST mix. I know some think I exaggerate, but to me it is night and day. I don’t like the OST performances of the concert suites (prefer the Lockhart), so I don’t miss those. I just really like the FYC selection. Of course my ideal would be the unedited recordings; then I could recreate the FYC programme (without the edits), maybe taking the opportunity to curate it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 . blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 What actual parts of Meet Han, Family Story and Parting Ways did JW write .I need specific track times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Why? Are you trying to reassure yourself that JW wrote the bits you like? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 well i do want to know. I also still wonder how "hand on" JW was overlooking the rest of the score Powell wrote. Like did Powell ask for advice on orchestrations or maybe how he should write some cues with maybe JW "suggesting" note placement on the phone or something or Powell showing his sketches and JW making suggestions? Like I love the Love Theme in this score. The unreleased bits like Han and Qu'Ra Reunite really add some weigh to it .I know Powell wrote it but it also sounds like JW has a shadow over it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Do you ever ask nicely for anything any more? 01 Meet Han - we don't know, but presumably all or just some portions of 0:37-end 05 Gonna Be A Pilot - the entire track 21 Family Stories - we don't know, but presumably either 0:00-0:43 or 1:00-end... or both 26 Kessel Run In Less Than 12 Parsecs - we don't know, but presumably either 0:35-0:50 or some/all of 3:46-4:55, or both 32 Maul's Call / Parting Ways - the entire "Parting Ways" cue, which is the cue from 3:39-end Actually, @BrotherSound might be able to tell us exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 This is a normal discussion thread. Why would I say please when I ask a question. Really, that type of comment makes it seem like I write my posts in some kind of off-putting , greedy and selfish manner and makes me feel like I'm not really wanted on the forum even after 20 years of posting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I think Gonna Be A Pilot and Parting Ways are the only times Powell just re-recorded one of his demo cues with little or no alterations I think the actiony stuff he took the gist of a demo cue but then there's extra Powell-isms on top and around that But we don't really know any specifics until the demos get released one day or something, or the sheet music has precise information Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 thanks, but that last comment really didn't put me in a good mood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 All I see is someone playing victim after getting called out for being rude and impolite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I think "Han and Qi'ra Reunite" sounds more John Barry-ish than Williams-ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Fine , so if that's what people think of me here I can take a break 3 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: All I see is someone playing victim after getting called out for being rude and impolite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Use of the please word is a culture thing. Where I live it's not common to use the equivalent phrase, and it's therefore not considered rude, but I try to use it where suitable when talking and writing in English, especially when communicating with people from the UK. No-one responds as coldly as a Brit who didn't get his "please". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 If anybody else knows more specifics or has different theories about different timestamps I'd love to read them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Didn't John Powell say that the only reason Williams gets a credit in Kessel Run track because they re-used some bits from older films? That's how I understood his comment anyway. Having said that, the section you highlight sound suspiciously like Williams. I love how Han theme plays against the woodwind action motif from Attacking the Star Destroyer and the 3:46-4:55 (with the exception of 4:04-4:12 segment) is a sequel era Williams on steroids. As for family stories, I think it's both. Speaking of which, Parting Ways is a gorgeous cue. It's one of the score moments I wanted the most. I'm not surprised it's Williams. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, crocodile said: Didn't John Powell say that the only reason Williams gets a credit in Kessel Run track because they re-used some bits from older films? No, he didn't. He said that about Empire Recruitment and End Credits. On instagram he was specifically asked about the JW demos written in 2018, and he replied that 5M32 integrated some, and 5M32 is the cue from 0:00-6:09 inside the Kessel Run track (aka Reminiscence Therapy on the OST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Did he forget some? Like the end of Dice and Roll? Didn't the cue sheets confirm it was JW and now it's not? Because it really seems tacked on at end and sounds like JW. And what's with the odd fade out ending like it's some random portion of cue edited in there at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, crocodile said: Having said that, the section you highlight sound suspiciously like Williams. I love how Han theme plays against the woodwind action motif from Attacking the Star Destroyer and the 3:46-4:55 (with the exception of 4:04-4:12 segment) is a sequel era Williams on steroids. Yea I almost split it up mention different parts but then just changed it to that entire chunk Quote As for family stories, I think it's both. The ending part for almost certain, I think Quote Speaking of which, Parting Ways is a gorgeous cue. It's one of the score moments I wanted the most. I'm not surprised it's Williams. I'm surprised it wasn't on the OST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jay said: No, he didn't. He said that about Empire Recruitment and End Credits. On instagram he was specifically asked about the JW demos written in 2018, and he replied that 5M32 integrated some, and 5M32 is the cue from 0:00-6:09 inside the Kessel Run track (aka Reminiscence Therapy on the OST) Ah I must have misread it then. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Mark said: Did he forget some? How could we possibly know? I think we have to take him at his word. He actually answered the question 2 different times and gave the same answer both times Quote Like the end of Dice and Roll? Didn't the cue sheets confirm it was JW and now it's not? Cue sheets? I've never heard of any cue sheets or recording logs leaking. What are you referring to? Quote Because it really seems tacked on at end and sounds like JW. And what's with the odd fade out ending like it's some random bit edited in there at the end? It sounds weird because it was written to segue into the end credits, which it does in the film (but not on either album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Cue sheets? I've never heard of any cue sheets or recording logs leaking. What are you referring to? well I don't remember but it was discussed a while back. Something that basically confirmed JW wrote the end of dice and roll. It's in the original Solo thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 This is the original Solo thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jay said: It sounds weird because it was written to segue into the end credits, which it does in the film (but not on either album) odd, but even Williams recording sessions cue that are supposed to segue have some sort of ending .this one just stops with a quick fade out like should continue for a bit longer 8 minutes ago, Jay said: This is the original Solo thread well it's somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, King Mark said: Like the end of Dice and Roll? Didn't the cue sheets confirm it was JW and now it's not? Because it really seems tacked on at end and sounds like JW. And what's with the odd fade out ending like it's some random bit edited in there at the end? I think many of us were fooled by this. In one of the early interviews, the score contains material that sounds like Powell but isn't (Meet Han), sounds like Williams and is Williams (Family Stories, Parting Ways) and stuff that sounds like Williams but isn't (To Tatooine). So it makes sense. @Jay I understand KM's confusion. I also saw somewhere that Williams was credited on the final OST track. It might have been this. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I found what you're probably referring to: On 7/21/2018 at 1:44 PM, PrayodiBA said: 20. Dice & Roll (1:54) John Powell, John Williams Full writing credit! http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1630 As the admin said,"I didn't credit here JW for every arrangements of his theme & old SW themes that can be heard throughout the score." On 7/21/2018 at 2:12 PM, Locrius said: My guess (as has been since I first heard the track) is that 1:10 till the end of "Dice & Roll" is pure Williams. On 7/21/2018 at 6:43 PM, Loert said: It IS Williams. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 yes, something like that but I remember a different website page that made it seem more official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 There's two options Option 1 is that 1:10-end of To Tatooine (Dice and Roll) is a Williams demo re-recorded, and Powell forgot when answering a direct question about Williams demos on instagram Option 2 is that some guy typed the wrong info into a Zimmer website, and Powell was telling the truth on Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 But it does have this brass flourish that sounds like only Williams can write at EXACTY 1.31 into Dice and Roll (the short transition into the Han theme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I just realized there's a third option too: that Powell typed in the wrong cue number on instagram! 7M45 is Parting Ways. Sabacc Rematch / To Tatooine is 7M47/7M48 Nobody thinks the "Sabacc Rematch" part of that track (7M47) is Williams, only the "To Tatooine" part (1:10-end) (7M48) What if Powell accidentally typed 7M45 when he MEANT to type 7M48!? We know he accidentally typed 5M33A when he meant to say 5M32 the first time he answered the question. Maybe he made a second typo too? Somebody should ask him on Instagram directly - in a nice way. "Was it Parting Ways or To Tatooine that started as a Williams demo?" or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 this is what I mean exactly .The very short brass passage before the theme, and the rest of the cue is much more in line with the way it sounds in Adventures of Han than anything else in the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 It just me or "meet Han" intro sounds a little like the opening of willow? Being ron howard too...maybe it was temp tracked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I dunno about that. The opening of Meet Han is a pretty straightforward rendition of Powell's Secrets theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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