Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Still, they charge more for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, crocodile said: That may be true but why not offer the consumer product in highest possible quality? It doesn't seem to cost any more to "manufacture". Because there are no non-OCD advantages and besides it is mostly affiliated with higher costs for nothing. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted May 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: Because there are no non-OCD advantages and besides it is mostly affiliated with higher costs for nothing. The reason there is a price difference is because people accept lossy files as standard and therefore the lossless is being treated as some sort of premium product. And with mp3's they charge you the same as what you'd pay for a CD and that just doesn't sound right, does it? It's not about hearing the difference but more about principle. It's a scam. You've had music music in superior quality for decades and now you're paying same for less. And that's because people accept it as normal. The reason why you had to have compressed files 20 years ago was due to slower internet connection and storage capacity. It's not an issue anymore so why not move on? I'm going on a bit of a tangent here but it's same with 4K video streaming. They charge you more on services like Netflix for that but it's not really 4K. Because it cannot be. The UHD discs carry up to 100GB data and it's not feasible to stream files that size via an average internet connection. So you end up with quality below regular Blu-ray with a bit of HDR slapped on and, yeah, you pay more money for it. And you're right average person won't see it. But, again, principle. In other words: I get what you're saying but you're still getting shafted. Karol MaxTheHouseelf, Jurassic Shark, Marian Schedenig and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 He's not getting shafted if he sticks to regular CDs, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, crocodile said: I'm going on a bit of a tangent here but it's same with 4K video streaming. They charge you more on services like Netflix for that but it's not really 4K. Because it cannot be. The UHD discs carry up to 100GB data and it's not feasible to stream files that size via an average internet connection. So you end up with quality below regular Blu-ray with a bit of HDR slapped on and, yeah, you pay more money for it. Well, it *is* 4K. Because the resolution of the final image you get is 4K, just as every 44.1kHz, 16-bit stereo MP3 you play back ultimately has the same bitrate as a CD before it's converted to audio signals. What many people fail to understand is that the quality of the final rendering is only as good (or bad) as the quality of your source, and if your source is a highly compressed stream rendering it in super high quality won't improve it. That's why it's so hard to convince some people (even technically knowledgeable ones) that 4K Netflix isn't a better quality replacement for Blu-ray simply because they've got a 4K stream and a fast internet connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 K is actually quite cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, it *is* 4K. Because the resolution of the final image you get is 4K, just as every 44.1kHz, 16-bit stereo MP3 you play back ultimately has the same bitrate as a CD before it's converted to audio signals. What many people fail to understand is that the quality of the final rendering is only as good (or bad) as the quality of your source, and if your source is a highly compressed stream rendering it in super high quality won't improve it. That's why it's so hard to convince some people (even technically knowledgeable ones) that 4K Netflix isn't a better quality replacement for Blu-ray simply because they've got a 4K stream and a fast internet connection. This, of course, is correct. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 hours ago, crocodile said: The reason there is a price difference is because people accept lossy files as standard and therefore the lossless is being treated as some sort of premium product. And with mp3's they charge you the same as what you'd pay for a CD and that just doesn't sound right, does it? It's not about hearing the difference but more about principle. It's a scam. You've had music music in superior quality for decades and now you're paying same for less. And that's because people accept it as normal. The reason why you had to have compressed files 20 years ago was due to slower internet connection and storage capacity. It's not an issue anymore so why not move on? I'm all against selling mp3-files and whatever compressed formats there are. There is an audible difference to standard CD quality. I was referring to audio formats that pretend to be better than CD quality, although they just are on a mathematical level. I do think it is kind of a scam to provide you less than CD quality on online plattforms, because HD streaming is all over the place and why should we now reduce the quality of our music, although the internet connections all around the globe should ace that by now? So there's that, however, a higher bitrate than that is purely cognitive matter, even for audiophiles. People should concentrate on a better standard, rather than providing single people with insane bitrates that do nothing, but cost you an arm and a leg. crocodile and rough cut 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 These releases should be permanent. I mean we had to wait most of our lives for it and now it's gone. It's like only people that are John Williams fans at the right time can have them 1977 and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 37 minutes ago, King Mark said: These releases should be permanent. I mean we had to wait most of our lives for it and now it's gone. It's like only people that are John Williams fans at the right time can have them there are days I feel the same way but with all the work MM does to preserve these at lest they’ll be around to release again later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Williams mastermind wants more $$, so he wants these re-released in the future with source music included.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Brundlefly said: I'm all against selling mp3-files and whatever compressed formats there are. There is an audible difference to standard CD quality. I was referring to audio formats that pretend to be better than CD quality, although they just are on a mathematical level. I do think it is kind of a scam to provide you less than CD quality on online plattforms, because HD streaming is all over the place and why should we now reduce the quality of our music, although the internet connections all around the globe should ace that by now? So there's that, however, a higher bitrate than that is purely cognitive matter, even for audiophiles. People should concentrate on a better standard, rather than providing single people with insane bitrates that do nothing, but cost you an arm and a leg. OK that's a fair point. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Brundlefly said: People should concentrate on a better standard Enter MQA encoding! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,107 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 I've been following a dedicated facebook page on 'Close Encounters' of which Mike Matessino is an active member. He put together 2 cut scenes and mixed some of the music cues (unused) and put it on youtube. Check it out. MM: A treat for the group. Following up on the "stab" my good friend Joe Fordham posted in the thread about deleted scenes, I've put together this sequence that encompasses the Lacombe/Laughlin motel scene and the one that follows with Roy on his roof. The music has been inserted in a way that approximates how it was originally scored, adjusted for the footage as we have it. In the film you can hear that two cues were cobbled together for the sequence of the trucks being loaded and pulling out. Also, it's possible some additional scripted material was shot such as Lacombe looking at the sky at the motel (which would connect him with what Roy is doing) and Ronnie sending Toby to call his father to dinner. The bit about Lacombe's limo and flight is not included in this, as that was a late insert filmed when the globe scene was done. Basically it was a concise replacement for the motel scene, which was already cut from the movie before the preview. Enjoy! Ricard, Chewy, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 You can see part of the original assembly of shots (including Lacombe looking up at the sky) in the "Home Videos & Outtakes" feature on the 40th anniversary Blu-ray, which confirms Mike's theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I don't remember seeing that warehouse scene before, where the agents discuss how to scare people away from Devil's Tower. Which cut of the film does that come from? Assume the deleted scenes are from the early DVD release of the film? Don't recall seeing those either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I definitely remember the discussing tactics bit being in the movie. And these deleted scenes should be on the blu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Corellian2019 said: You can see part of the original assembly of shots (including Lacombe looking up at the sky) in the "Home Videos & Outtakes" feature on the 40th anniversary Blu-ray Yes I was surprised the shot of Lacombe looking up wasn't inserted into this video somewhere 7 hours ago, crumbs said: I don't remember seeing that warehouse scene before, where the agents discuss how to scare people away from Devil's Tower. Which cut of the film does that come from? Isn't that scene in every version of the film? It's certainly in the Theatrical Cut and the Final Cut (I've never watched the Special Edition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 9 hours ago, crumbs said: I don't remember seeing that warehouse scene before, where the agents discuss how to scare people away from Devil's Tower. Which cut of the film does that come from? Assume the deleted scenes are from the early DVD release of the film? Don't recall seeing those either. The warehouse scene is in every version of the film. And the deleted scenes have been in every home video release since 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Guess I need to rewatch the film then! It's been a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 You sure do! It's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Might be worth mentioning that Music Box still appear to have copies on sale. They're limiting to 1 per customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 And for some reason they are selling it for 60€, great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 That's karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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