#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Intrada has never released Jaws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bajak said: Intrada's releases aren't limited (or are they?) Some of them are, some not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Intrada has never released Jaws! What? 6 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Please, don't start discussing the meaning of the term "definitive". Not again. Especially since this thread is for someone who clearly already knows he does like the C&C releases and has specific questions about them. Thor's just showing up to be obstinate and unhelpful for no reason. Weird random analogy: Imagine if someone asks which cheeseburger they should try first and some guy butts in and says "Have you considered vegetarianism?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Especially since this thread is for someone who clearly already knows he does like the C&C releases and has specific questions about them. Thor's just showing up to be obstinate and unhelpful for no reason. No, it just pisses me off when someone labels something 'definitive', as it if were some universal truth. 'Definitive' is in the eye of the beholder. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Only higher resolution audio would be an upgrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Thor said: No, it just pisses me off when someone labels something 'definitive', as it if were some universal truth. 'Definitive' is in the eye of the beholder. "Definitive" has become a common expression in the circle of film music fans and the special labels use it the same way. There's nothing to discuss about. The term is (meanwhile) clearly defined. 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: The only problem, that prevents a better Hook from being released is the fact that some of the original sources of some cues cannot be found. But all in all, it promise you, as far as the find these fucking sources, Master MM is gonna work on it and make a 3 disc definitive version that satisfies even the most extreme JWFan! Courageous, to give such promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 There's plenty to discuss. It's a subjective term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Thor said: There's plenty to discuss. It's a subjective term. Nope and not really any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Imagine going into a restaurant, and the waiter serves you pizza with anchovies: - "Here you go, sir....this is the DEFINITIVE way to present a pizza!" - "Yeah, OK.....I don't really like anchovies, so...." - "SHUT UP! This is the DEFINITIVE pizza. The kitchen says it, the guests say it. Accept it or leave!" - "Ok, then I'd rather leave". - "DEFINITIVE! IT'S DEFINITIVE! Burn in hell!" Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 No sense of humor? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 The term "definitive" is used to mean "last" (or at least "should be the last"), not necessarily "best". Complete releases are called "definitive", because after those, there's no need for another release, since all the music is out there. It's not that hard to understand. No need for pizza analogies. Arpy and filmmusic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 "Definitive" also has a qualitative element to it, it doesn't just mean "last". In its place, I wouldn't mind "complete", "most extensive" or other similar, more objective terms. This may sound like nitpicking, but it's a pet peeve of mine. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: Hook is not vital Hook the score is absolutely vital, but the product most definitely could and should have been better. 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: The term "definitive" is used to mean "last" (or at least "should be the last"), not necessarily "best". I think you're reading into the definition of the word a bit too literally. While definitive means "conclusive" or "final" it can therefore be read and implied to mean the "last say in the matter", meaning the best that should be available, no need to go further. That's the secondary implication when people use the word and is perfectly acceptable to be used in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, king mark said: i didn't buy the latest Home Alone releases Neither did I. I pirated the hell out of them. Judge me all you want. I already bought those how many times? All I wanted from the reissues was a couple of tracks. In fact, several of these La-La Land releases were deemed unnecessary by myself, including The Fury (I'm all set with 3 Varese CDs), Rosewood (OST is more than enough--I'll probably never listen to it again), Home Alone for the second time in recent history (I just bought this and I thought it had everything edition) and Home Alone 2, which has inferior packaging to the Varese version, even if it has the Celebrity Ding Dang Dong. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Thor said: "Definitive" also has a qualitative element to it, it doesn't just mean "last". In its place, I wouldn't mind "complete", "most extensive" or other similar, more objective terms. This may sound like nitpicking, but it's a pet peeve of mine. Definitive to my usage and reading is the final say, in the case of film scores, the item that defines the ideal. - Complete to everything available. - Great artwork and remastering. - Great liner notes. In short, a product that is virtually impossible to improve. Home Alone 25th Anniversary and Star Trek TMP 3CD Set meet that definition to me. Hook, on the other hand, is certainly the latest and greatest, but is not Definitive, given that a better sourced, more complete presentation is possible. It is qualitative in nature, given that most statements on this board are more opinion than empirical fact, and this is an appropriate usage in this context, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Thor said: The LLL releases? No. The original releases (FSM and Epic)? Yes, they were. Don't assume something is "definitive" for everyone just because it fits your own criteria. Where's the thumb down button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2017 If they add a thumbs down feature, I'm doomed. A. A. Ron, Disco Stu and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 No more posts continuing from what Thor started in here. Take that line of discussion somewhere else. Let's bring this thread back to its original intention. Thor, stay out. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 No more on that topic in this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 12 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I pirated Hook. Now that is too fitting. Disco Stu and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmh90790 16 Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 You never know, ET may spark a lot of people buy up some of their other Williams titles. Wouldn't hurt to secure copies for yourself as soon as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 16 hours ago, Thor said: I don't have a single JW release by LaLaLand Records. Still holding out hope for the day when they release a previously unreleased score. It will be so funny when they do this it's complete and chronological and not a 40 minute presentation! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: It will be so funny when they do this it's complete and chronological and not a 40 minute presentation! That's OK. Even if not preferable, it's better than having nothing at all. Has anyone ever read anything about LLL investigating the possibility of releasing a completely unreleased JW score? I don't know, since I don't tend to follow those types of threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I don't think they've ever mentioned that, but I'm sure the labels are trying to get those scores released (or at least I'm sure these scores will be released in due time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm always curious who will take up the mantle from FSM in that arena. Perhaps Intrada is a likelier candidate than LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 It would be better for the labels to get the retrievable scores done and dusted before more time can destroy tapes, and also the bigger titles help to gain traction for more obscure scores to be released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thor, when you watch a film and absolutely love a certain cue that is then not on the OST, how do you cope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 He says he can enjoy it perfectly well in the film. I've seen all these arguments before. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Thor, when you watch a film and absolutely love a certain cue that is then not on the OST, how do you cope? bollemaneke, Jay has said that we are not allowed to discuss this more in this thread. I refer you to the other one (linked above). A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 He also said, Thor stay out. The fuck you still here? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9.9.2017 at 5:48 AM, Thor said: I'm always curious who will take up the mantle from FSM in that arena. Perhaps Intrada is a likelier candidate than LLL. I'd really like to know, why they quit producing score expansions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Wasn't Lukas a bit tired of it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Yeah, there was that. Lukas has also said it was the declining market for CDs. Plus, he wanted to get more into filmmaking and other venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 8.9.2017 at 9:34 PM, king mark said: i didn't buy the latest Home Alone releases Ha, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Brundlefly said: I'd really like to know, why they quit producing score expansions. Here you go: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6706/ More: http://www.colonnesonore.net/contenuti-speciali/interviste/2517-qits-all-in-the-film-musicq-interview-with-lukas-kendall-film-score-monthly-part-1.html & http://www.colonnesonore.net/contenuti-speciali/interviste/2528-qits-all-in-the-film-musicq-interview-with-lukas-kendall-film-score-monthly-part-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Thanks, man! Very interesting statement and interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 No problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Lukas Kendall said the times if Complete Scores is coming to an end. Well, maybe nowadays a limited edition does not sell out within a few hours, but if we take Williams as an example, it's just starting! The pleasant aspect of being a Williams and Goldsmith fan is, from 2005 to 2015 you could always be looking forward to Goldsmith special releases, and since 2015 that part was somehow handed over to Williams special releases, which you can now be excited about! Its "peak season" will probably go from 2015 to 2025, because you don't really need much more time to expand the important stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 A fun quote from that Lukas Kendall interview: Quote The right way to produce a film score album is the way we did them. It may seem like there were a hundred people who wanted abridged albums, but it was really just one guy who posted a hundred times. hehehehehehehehehehehehe Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Here's the quote I'm saddest has still not come to pass: Quote The future of film music is going to be digital. For years, the studios (wisely) licensed only physical CD rights to the boutique labels, keeping the download rights. I wish they would start putting the scores up for downloads because that way everything under the sun could be available. It would be the single best way to combat all the illegal download sites. The problem is simply one of administration: the studio music departments have been so downsized that they do not have the manpower to set up the royalty schedules and do all the encoding and paperwork. While it's certainly true for new releases, I'm still very frustrated at how expanded scores are limited and physical-only. Keep them off the streaming sites, since they pay so little, just put them up on Amazon/iTunes or even direct digital sales on label sites. I totally see the argument that if a new release was digital and available all the time, people would buy less because they could put off the purchase, but it's still something I'd like to do (buy digitally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The labels would all love to sell scores digitally but the license holders almost always only grant them physical CD rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It has to happen eventually though right? Those LLL/Paramount releases that were put on iTunes are promising, but there's not been anything else notable since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,339 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It's hard to see the future and predict if all these major conglomerates will start doing it or not. I'd guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 53 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: A fun quote from that Lukas Kendall interview: hehehehehehehehehehehehe I'm honoured! Be that as it may, a great many of the FSM releases weren't expansions, but just premiere soundtrack releases. Also several first-time LP-to-CD albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skelly 261 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 La-La Land in particular do a big Black Friday blowout each year; it's when some of their biggest/most popular titles of the entire year can be expected. Close Encounters of the Third Kind for example I believe is slated for this year's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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