Quintus 5,399 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 There used to be a clearly older generation member here for a while, he referred to Williams as "Johnny Dub". I wonder what happened to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I'm thankful looking back that at the ripe age of 4 my parents showed me the OT on VHS, two years later The Phantom Menace came out. I got to grow up on Jurassic Park, the prequels, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings! Unfortunately kids these days will have such cultural icons as The Avengers and Man of Steel to call their childhood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 My childhood icons were Indiana Jones and Christopher Reeve's Superman. Out of curiosity what are today's equivalents for children? The various Spider-men? Thor? Star-Lord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 The Punisher, Kevin Spacey, Elon Musk and Donald Trump. mstrox and Nick1Ø66 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Arpy said: I'm thankful looking back that at the ripe age of 4 my parents showed me the OT on VHS, two years later The Phantom Menace came out. I got to grow up on Jurassic Park, the prequels, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings! Unfortunately kids these days will have such cultural icons as The Avengers and Man of Steel to call their childhood! 2 hours ago, Quintus said: My childhood icons were Indiana Jones and Christopher Reeve's Superman. Out of curiosity what are today's equivalents for children? The various Spider-men? Thor? Star-Lord? This kind of nostalgic outlook is not without bias, though. I also grew up on all of those films, but looking back at them as objectivelly as I can, I don't think that the youth of today has it any worst. Lord of the Rings and Empire Strikes Back are the only truly outstanding films in that bunch, and those kinds of movies are rare in any decade. The others have their fair share of flaws just like any contemporary "big" film. Its actually the more flawed and jouvenile films of the bunch that are more nostalgic, because audiences are exposed to them at a more tender, impressionable age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Meh, I've loved all my experiences with the Star Wars films. Rewatching them two years ago for a marathon, the prequels are a mess, but ultimately a bit of silly entertainment, just like the originals. I will say though, that comparing any of the prequels to The Avengers, I find that they display a great deal of creativity where The Avengers is a stylistically bankrupt 'Witty Banter Hour with Superheroes'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 58 minutes ago, Chen G. said: This kind of nostalgic outlook is not without bias, though. I also grew up on all of those films, but looking back at them as objectivelly as I can, I don't think that the youth of today has it any worst. Lord of the Rings and Empire Strikes Back are the only truly outstanding films in that bunch, and those kinds of movies are rare in any decade. The others have their fair share of flaws just like any contemporary "big" film. Its actually the more flawed and jouvenile films of the bunch that are more nostalgic, because audiences are exposed to them at a more tender, impressionable age. My comment was more about the characters as film idols rather than the films themselves anyway. But did I misunderstand you or was it implied that you don't think the Raiders movies were important or memorable in their time? Because I'd hugely disagree. Also, LOTR and ESB are from different eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Arpy said: The Avengers is a stylistically bankrupt 'Witty Banter Hour with Superheroes'. That's true. Its not a straightforward action film and certainly not an action-drama. Its an action-comedy. But, for what it is, its so much ^$%#ing fun! 1 hour ago, Quintus said: But did I misunderstand you or was it implied that you don't think the Raiders movies were important or memorable in their time? Because I'd hugely disagree. I like Indiana Jones for what it is: quick action-adventure movies. Beyond that, there's not much to them, dramatically speaking. I have a strong dislike for the comedy in Temple of Doom. There's even something about a lot of the deliveries in Raiders of the Lost Ark that rubs me the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Unless @Chen G. you were referring to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 51 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I like Indiana Jones for what it is: quick action-adventure movies. Beyond that, there's not much to them, dramatically speaking. I have a strong dislike for the comedy in Temple of Doom. There's even something about a lot of the deliveries in Raiders of the Lost Ark that rubs me the wrong way. I know what you mean. One big reason why that's so is undoubtedly that these are 80's movies. Times have changed, and a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 There can be no dispute that Indiana Jones was one of the most influential series of Hollywood movies of the 80s, "outstanding" for that very reason actually (among others). How they compare to today's movies isn't really relevant, other than I think the craftsmanship and skill in their making is far superior to their nearest modern equivalents. There's no comparison really. We're talking about movies made at the height of Spielberg's career. Nick1Ø66 and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,688 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Yeah. Dismissing the Indiana Jones films as simply "quick action-adventure 80's movies", like they were Rambo, is a little ridiculous...not to mention somewhat ignorant of their place film history (especially the first one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I think to look at films as stepping stones of the industry eschews the discussion of the films' individual merits and demerits, which is what film criticism is all about. I'm also not sure what this "influence", that Indiana Jones supposedly had on the industry, is supposed to be, besides it being part of the wave of blockbusters that had swept Hollywood at the time, and furthering the career of Steven Spielberg. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 32 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I'm also not sure what this "influence", that Indiana Jones supposedly had on the industry Okay bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I think to look at films as stepping stones of the industry eschews the discussion of the films' individual merits and demerits, which is what film criticism is all about. But you didn't even offer any film criticism to speak of (superficial throwaway claims don't count). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Oh, I didn't realize a 2,500-word essay on each Indy film was in due... I like Indiana Jones (well, two of them) a lot. I just don't find it as outstanding as the aforementioned. Its just escapist, episodic, two-hour adventures with good characters and intriguing plots. The one that gets closest to anything in the way of drama is The Last Crusade with the father-son relationship. 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: One big reason why that's so is undoubtedly that these are 80's movies. Times have changed, and a lot. The 80s audience certainly had more of a taste to pure escapism in genre films, yes. They somewhat "grew-out' of that by the early 2000s, and somewhat regressed in this decade with all the shmarveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Well, you brought it up. Of course adventure movies are escapism and ultimately not covering any 'important' topics. But if we consider how many lousy movies have been made about important topics and how few letter-perfect adventure movies are out there, i think you should cut these films some slack. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,688 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Some can watch Indiana Jones and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the JWFan forums and unlock the secrets of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 There's a few certain movies I love which I enjoy watching purely to appreciate and pay special attention to the craft that went into their making. Raiders is one of them. It's a marvel on a technical proficiency level, but then there's the directorial flair running over the top of it which I still find immensely satisfying to analyse and absorb to this day. I haven't actually watched Raiders for around five years, but I know it'd still astound me as being the benchmark for the action adventure genre it is. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwfan2234 59 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 A funny story from the Force Awakens soundtrack release- I lined up at target on the day the movie came out to get the soundtrack first thing that day, when I got there 10 minutes before they opened, I was surprised to see 10 people in front of me in line. I was shocked to see people line up for John Williams. Once they open up the doors everyone goes to the camera and pictures pick up line and to this day I have no idea what they were after. Such a weird experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwfan2234 59 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Saw this in the Target ad. Confirms the Target edition cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Jurassic Shark and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,374 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 That ugly jewel case though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: More importantly: confirms the 2 exclusive cards! WOOHOO! Indeed! Exclusive cards for the win! Bring back fold-out posters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I instantly forgave Williams for the microedits and track omissions when I saw the exclusive cards! Incanus and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 108 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Chewy said: That ugly jewel case though That is a placeholder image. Someone posted the digipak in another thread. the lame cover art has been confirmed since last week, too. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Isn't it the same as the deluxe TFA edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 108 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, crumbs said: Isn't it the same as the deluxe TFA edition? TFA had an alt cover with the two cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 I assume the pictures in post #1 of this thread are the Target version, due to the target symbol in the background: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28049-the-last-jedi-ost-album-track-list-revealed-temporary-thread/ It's a digipak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 That's what I assumed too, same as the TFA version (but red holographic text). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 IIRC for TFA all USA version were digipaks, while some jewel case versions were made for overseas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Oh didn't realise, I've seen a mix here in Australia. They only had the holographic digipaks at the TFA live to picture concert the other night, but my local hi-fi store only stocks the jewel case now. You can pre-order either version for TLJ. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 @crumbs I rang a few stores and the deluxe hasn't been ordered by any of the JBHiFi stores. IIRC TFA's deluxe album wasn't in stores for about a week after initial release... Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 3:25 PM, Arpy said: @crumbs I rang a few stores and the deluxe hasn't been ordered by any of the JBHiFi stores. IIRC TFA's deluxe album wasn't in stores for about a week after initial release... Checked out about 5 stores yesterday, no luck with the Deluxe. Seems to be online-only. Bought the standard version today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 12 hours ago, crumbs said: Checked out about 5 stores yesterday, no luck with the Deluxe. Seems to be online-only. Bought the standard version today! I picked the standard up yesterday too, and yes, the deluxe is online only until a store makes a call to order stock in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Nice to see plenty of stock in-store though. They're obviously expecting good sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Here are pictures of the Target version Essentially 100% identical to the standard US version, jut with those 2 cards inside. You can compare directly to these pictures here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27689-the-last-jedi-disney-records-ost-no-track-titles-or-movie-spoilers-in-this-thread/&do=findComment&comment=1431305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I forgot that picture of Rey in the red whatever was in that booklet. I find it irksome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Well, I thought it looked dumb when I first saw it, and maybe a bad photoshop?, but figured it would have some relevance or maybe look better in another angle. However, Spoiler she doesn't wear anything like that in the movie, so it's just doubly dumb IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Maybe she wears it in a deleted scene. They shot her doing more stuff on Ach-To, you can see it in the trailers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, mstrox said: Well, I thought it looked dumb when I first saw it, and maybe a bad photoshop?, but figured it would have some relevance or maybe look better in another angle. However, Hide contents she doesn't wear anything like that in the movie, so it's just doubly dumb IMO It's her costume during the inclement weather scenes (the cloak over her normal gear), just with a stylised red filter applied over the top. The arm cuffs are extended out as she's holding the lightsaber from that angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yep - I see it now. Looks dumb as hell (although the movie was good as hell, so I'm just going to chalk it up to ugly marketing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Alright as hell, you mean! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 7:54 AM, Nick1066 said: Yeah. Dismissing the Indiana Jones films as simply "quick action-adventure 80's movies", like they were Rambo, is a little ridiculous...not to mention somewhat ignorant of their place film history (especially the first one). But but he's a PROFESSIONAL film critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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