Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Sure, I'll concede the distinction. Either way, the LLL Disc 1 is a Perfect Album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 314 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 ...And after all those years, Spielberg is still holding on to not having that "wish-upon-a-star" melody in the end credits of his movie. In this recording of the CE3K-Live-to-Projection concert from last year in England (cue this to the 34-second mark), the original end-credits arrangement is not used. Although this concert didn't use the hacked-up version from the theatrical cut either, this arrangement we're hearing does use material from the score we've heard just moments before and it ends with the concert-suite arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 For some reason he had the proper credits in the Special Ed, but not the Director's Ed which the LTPs use. It is weird how this one just splices Contact right back then goes back to the recorded credits ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The live to picture uses the 40th anniversary print, not the director’s cut, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 The Live to Projection concert uses the 1998 cut. The 40th anniversary theatrical re-release in theaters two years also used the 1998 cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 That would make it the 20th anniversary print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,346 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I don't know if this has arleady been discussed, but the LLL press release stated that disc one's program was guided by the discovery that Williams wanted the album to be 2 LPs. So does that mean disc 1 IS that LP program, or did MM include things that weren't supposed to be on those LPs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 The second. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,346 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 So I guess there's no way to end up with the original LP idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: So I guess there's no way to end up with the original LP idea? I think the album was planned as a 2LP set with almost the entire score or near to it. I think Mattesino's presentation on disc 1 is following that program, but we cant be too sure. I will have to read the booklet again and listen to it again as well.CE3K is in my top 5 Williams list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Yes, according to MM's liner notes, Disc 1 "takes its lead from that original intent", meaning the 74-minute double LP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I think it’ll be impossible to say for sure what would’ve been a 2 LP program, since it never happened. It’ll be one of those musical ideas forever lost in time, and the industry and fans will try forever to recreate them as they “could have been”... ...like The Beach Boys’s Smile, Prince’s Dream Factory or Marvin Gaye’s You’re The Man... ...but the truth is, we’ll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Luckily "You're The Man" was released this March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 You're the Man was released, but it is a stretch to call it an album. Almost all tracks appeared on earlier comps or DEs and in no way does it hold together as a concept of any kind (never mind evidencing the self-contained sonic universe of an album tracked over a limited set of dates in a fixed recording environment e.g. almost all JW scores). That said, I'm glad it was released and I certainly had it on repeat. I reached for it just now in my "on hand" collection. Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Yup, that. The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Amer said: I think the album was planned as a 2LP set with almost the entire score or near to it. You are right, Amer. I remember reading that CE3K would be a 2LP set. When it got changed to one LP, and who made the decision to reduce it, it don't know. 17 hours ago, Amer said: CE3K is in my top 5 Williams list. That's four places too low. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted April 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2020 THE GIFT OF MUSIC AND LIGHT: Close Encounters of the Third Kind 40th Anniversary Remastered Edition (La La Land Records) A few weeks ago I took advantage of LLL's thoughtful 30%-off sale, nabbing two sets, one of which was Close Encounters of the Third Kind. CE3K has been on my list for a while, and I was happy to add it to my collection of expanded sets, which up until now consisted only of E.T. the Extra Terrestrial (a real ace, in case you didn't know already!). I spent many afternoons gazing longingly at the order page, and in good time my package arrived in fine condition (not perfect per se, but I'm not one to complain). There was a slight fold, a crease, if you will, in the liner notes. I've placed the booklet in the pages of an old dictionary as one might have done when pressing leaves in primary school (anyone?). All the same, what little problem there was has now been corrected. No major scratches, cracks or "missing teeth" to report. Any confusion as to the presentation of the score is soon dispelled upon reading MM's explanation. Each disc, quite simply, provides a unique and equally worthy listening experience. I was reminded of a quote from @Jay that I read when I was still a "lurker", which read something like, "Just pop in disc one and hit play, and pop in disc two and hit play". MM says the same thing, in so many words. With these wise reassurances, as I can always count on from such great people, I did exactly this, and I have no qualms with the arrangement. Disc 1 is an immediate favourite, bringing out the awe, mystery, and majesty of Williams score in a new and coherent way. I was reminded of the two distinct contrasts that make up the bulk of the entire score: modern orchestral effects (i.e. dense layering, dissonance), and wondrous melodic ideas. The score is a real masterclass in combining these two points towards the greatest of results, nowhere more evident than in the finale on the latter half of the disc. MM briefly runs through each of the themes/motifs of the film in an informative and easy-to-read way. That being said, the production of the liner notes, the front and back cover, and the discs is, as always, of the highest quality, displaying an astute attention to detail from the artwork to the tiniest print. All in all, it didn't take long for me to realize that this set is of a ridiculously high quality. I never doubted the team at LLL, but perhaps I had forgotten just how good they are at what they do. Once again, I have considerable appreciation and gratitude for the label, their collaborators, and the network of film score fans that keep them running (yes YOU!). Together we allow the magic of music to enter into each of our lives in a uniquely rewarding way. Thank you! Edmilson, rough cut, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I rearranged all the tracks to have the most complete Chrono edit as possible (guide somewhere on this thread I think). I play this set a lot , more than most other LLL expansions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 The LLL playlist is fine as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 It's good. But a lot of things are better in chrono, like the inclusion of Watching the Skies, 5 notes source bits as buildup, no repetition with Helicopter stuck to False Alarm, the lovely Stars and Trucks instead of that crappy edit, etc. Faleel and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Well, as this is your default opinion, it's not very valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 He'll see red if one friggin nanosecond is outside of strict chronological order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted April 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2020 Go fuck yourself. Chewy, Edmilson, A. A. Ron and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Þekþiþm said: He'll see red if one friggin nanosecond is outside of strict chronological order. Even the silence between tracks has to be chronological. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: He'll see red if one friggin nanosecond is outside of strict chronological order. Meanwhile, I see red, when modern releases fuck the listening experience in the ass just in order to be chronological and provide clean endings of every goddamn cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Holko said: Go fuck yourself. I'm proven right again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: I'm proven right again! How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 This release is so so good. I've listened to Close Encounters more since this release than any times prior. Incredible work. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 I listened to the 1998 release a lot when I first got it, which was the first peak of my film scoredom when I was first discovering the magic of film scores in general. Then I really didn't listen to it that often for almost 20 years until this came out, and the amazing new sound quality and new presentation really made me fall in love with the score all over again in a new way. It's a masterpiece. Demondm810 and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I listened to random disc 2 tracks earlier, some of them were quite jarring after becoming accustomed to tracks on disc 1. Was confused when the end of The Returnees (disc 1) appeared at the end of I Can't Believe It's Real (disc 2)... but I accept this isn't a score or film I'm totally familiar with, so presumably the former is just another example of JW's "listening experience" cue combos (I didn't check the liner notes for an explanation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 "I Can't Believe It's Real" is a track from the 1977 OST LP, which combined 11M2/12M1 The Mountain with 16M3 The Pilots Return, with edits "The Returnees" is 16M3 The Pilots Return in its own track with no edits. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Thanks Jay, explains that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Listened to it yesterday, following the chronological order on Jay's spreadsheet. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I'm ashamed to say I played this excellent set again today for the first time in a couple of years. I've hardly listened to it. I can't believe its nearly three years since release. What impressed me again today were the three "Source Music" Orchestral cues on Disc 2. The first sounding like a lost Main Title to some Ernest Gold-esque Biblical Epic that was never made. The second terrific action cue pre-echoes Williams work on Superman a year later. Plus a joy to hear Williams "Stalling Around" in the cartoon music. Just more testament to Williams' great versatility really. Also I love the idea of what feels like two completely separate scores for the same movie spread over two discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, stravinsky said: Also I love the idea of what feels like two completely separate scores for the same movie spread over two discs. Hehe, yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Im pissed off because my profile photo appears on my profile but not next to my name in the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 You uploaded it to the Cover Image area, instead of the Profile Photo area. It's the button on the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 hours ago, stravinsky said: I'm ashamed to say I played this excellent set again today for the first time in a couple of years. I've hardly listened to it. I can't believe its nearly three years since release. What impressed me again today were the three "Source Music" Orchestral cues on Disc 2. The first sounding like a lost Main Title to some Ernest Gold-esque Biblical Epic that was never made. The second terrific action cue pre-echoes Williams work on Superman a year later. Plus a joy to hear Williams "Stalling Around" in the cartoon music. Just more testament to Williams' great versatility really. Also I love the idea of what feels like two completely separate scores for the same movie spread over two discs. Yeah the source music is a great inclusion. I must admit I don't think I've listened to the album itself since I first received it - I appreciate the care that went into the creative split between the discs, but I still prefer to listen to my own mostly chronological sequencing. Holko and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 10 hours ago, stravinsky said: The first sounding like a lost Main Title to some Ernest Gold-esque Biblical Epic that was never made. It actually makes me sad that JW never got to do a Rózsaesque genre of epic! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Jay said: You uploaded it to the Cover Image area, instead of the Profile Photo area. It's the button on the left Thankyou for your help Jay. And your estimable knowledge. In general. 3 minutes ago, Holko said: It actually makes me sad that JW never got to do a Rózsaesque genre of epic! I guess the Genre had long died out by the 70s but imagine what Williams would have done with such a movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I was watching this masterpiece the other day. What an experience! It's incredible how it holds well to this day. I was wondering about the Gobi Desert sequence. I don't remember any mention of the music in any release. Was it combined from other cues? I'm sorry to resurrect the thread for such a dumb question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 It's tracked from Appearance of the Visitors / The Light Show / The Mountain / Encounter at Crescendo Summit Williams never wrote any music for it, it was never in the cut he scored in 1977 and the only new scene he scored for the SE in 1980 is the newly shot scene inside the mothership phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Thanks, Jay. You're practically a living JW encyclopedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 14 hours ago, phbart said: I'm sorry to resurrect the thread for such a dumb question... Any question, chat, comment, or post, about CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND - whether film, or score - is not dumb. In 1980, the Cotopaxi sequence was one of many scenes known as "new new". phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 On 19/11/2021 at 7:31 AM, Naïve Old Fart said: Any question, chat, comment, or post, about CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND - whether film, or score - is not dumb. In 1980, the Cotopaxi sequence was one of many scenes known as "new new". And the combined music from the sources Jay mentioned worked so well that I always thought it was original music. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Please do open up the discussion for this score again! I have just received the remaster today. I am in awe of the quality of this score and the presentation. I haven't appreciated this score or movie enough over the years. I re watched the movie the other day knowing this presentation of the score was on its way to me. And just wow! I have only listened to cd 1 once so far, and I'm already reassessing my top 5 Williams scores, thinking this could get to the top! The music for this film and the way it complements what's going on, on the screen is awesome. I knew it was a good score but my goodness. It really is a masterpiece Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 It's easily one of JW's top 5 and one of the best film scores ever written by anyone ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Yes It really is. And I haven't listened to cd 2 yet. Or read all the booklet with the info on it. It also makes me reappreciate just how much talent Mr Williams has and how much he was on fire around those years. Banging out Classic after Classic! Work after Work of brilliance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, Antonb said: ...I'm already reassessing my top 5 Williams scores, thinking this could get to the top! Never mind "get to the top"; it's already there! It's his greatest score. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Personally Superman still shades it along with A New Hope, but I have listened to those a lot more and prefer those two movies. So like I said, Im thinking this could take over after a few more listens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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