Popular Post Tom 4,654 Posted December 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2017 As a JWfan, I want my concert tracks, but more than that, I would love one more huge blockbuster where the average fan says "I love the score." This may very well be that movie, and JW deserves the praise. Breadstick Basilisk, John, Jurassic Shark and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The choirs, in addition to the themes related to Snoke, appear in the last quarters of the movie, in two very dramatic and intense action sequences - one related to Spoiler Finn , the other to Spoiler Luke. I can't say that the load of emotions and beauty is as big as in "Anakin's Betrayal", I won't go that far, but it sounded big and effective. I just have to repeat that these are short fragments, lasting approximately 30-40 seconds. Whether and in what form they will be on the album, I have no idea. Sandor and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yes to the above. Spoiler In particular I think the approach to the Luke moment is pretty new for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosis 0 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 any chance that great poe dameron theme from the FA makes a return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Pawel and/or Joe; one last question. To which Williams' theme would you compare Rose's Theme melody/structure wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig 5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 @Joe Brausam is this one of the moments you mentioned before where you thought it was as close as Williams has got to modern action scoring? Wondering if you thought it worked or you didn't like it... So interesting to see how Williams adapts his style for modern cinema! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRIGA01 32 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Is the recording quality and performance similar to the level of TFA or does it sound grander? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ocelot 508 Posted December 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 11:13 PM, Hedwig said: @Joe Brausam is this one of the moments you mentioned before where you thought it was as close as Williams has got to modern action scoring? Wondering if you thought it worked or you didn't like it... So interesting to see how Williams adapts his style for modern cinema! It scares me when you ask that and I hesitate with modern action scoring because most of it tends to be banal and easy as pop music to write, where with Williams, and adventure classical scoring, I love the intricacy of that type of scoring because that orchestral way, for me, is the pinnacle of writing. So many modern action music tends to just be repeated notes ad nauseam, however I am sure he wouldn't do that and he would still be a master composer and orchestrator with it no matter what. We Shall See!!!!! Hedwig, crumbs and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe Brausam 214 Posted December 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2017 Poe’s theme does return in the first half of the film, but I didn’t notice it during the last act. I’d compare Rose’s theme, at least the first half, to a major mode version of the force theme. Usually performed by higher woodwinds, flute, clarinet, etc. But it gets big statements as well. The opening interval , at least as I remember it, was a perfect 5th - however rhythmically and as far as the contour it feels like the force theme for the first bar or two. If I remember right the melody is always in 4/4, with two upward slurring sixteenth’s on the last beat of the first measure, followed by a beat 1 in a downward interval. The second measure ends the same way. That much I remember clearly. It is a long lined melody. Maybe not as long as Poe’s complete theme, but long regardless. Hedwig - yes, that’s one of those moments. Hedwig, Will and Sandor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Did you like how it sounded? Hedwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosis 0 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Joe Brausam said: Poe’s theme does return in the first half of the film, but I didn’t notice it during the last act. I’d compare Rose’s theme, at least the first half, to a major mode version of the force theme. Usually performed by higher woodwinds, flute, clarinet, etc. But it gets big statements as well. If I remember right the melody is always in 4/4, with two upward slurring sixteenth’s on the last beat of the first measure, followed by a beat 1 in a downward interval. The second measure ends the same way. That much I remember clearly. Hedwig - yes, that’s one of those moments. that's great,i loved poe's theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig 5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Thanks @Joe Brausam! Would be interested as to what your thoughts are about it, cause even if it sounded unusual for Williams I'm sure it was still delivered with the 'sophistication' Williams always brings? (I hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I'm glad Crumbs ended up getting his choir after all. Will and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwfan2234 59 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I want to listen so badly aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review.html?utm_source=nym&utm_medium=f1&utm_campaign=feed-full Quote Johnson might be stuck with multiple story lines, but each has its own look, its own palette to match the many motifs in John Williams’s ever-invigorating score, which quotes from itself constantly and still sounds fresh. And another positive from someone who was not much a fan of TFA's score (or The Post's for that matter): Quote After a surprisingly weak score for The Force Awakens, John Williams is back on his game with The Last Jedi meaning that, if nothing else, this sounds like Star Wars. Williams has scored two movies this year (not bad for an 85-year old) and his efforts here are better than his workmanlike music for The Post. In addition to composing new material, Williams mixes in popular themes from every film in the original trilogy, including “The Imperial March.” What he wrote about TFA: Quote John Williams’ score won’t go down as the best in his long, Oscar-winning career. His new themes are neither strong nor memorable. But he knows how to use what he composed three decades ago. Some of The Force Awakens’ most emotionally resonant moments result from the music. There’s a scene, in which a full rendition of the “Force Theme” (sometimes referred to as “Luke’s Theme”), coupled with the actions of a new cast member, nearly brought me to tears. That’s the power of nostalgia and Williams knows how to milk it for all its worth. The music does its part making The Force Awakens feel like “real Star Wars.” Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Yeah, not going to put too much weight on the opinion of someone who refers to the Force Theme as Luke's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 From MrBellamy's post: Quote There’s a scene, in which a full rendition of the “Force Theme” (sometimes referred to as “Luke’s Theme”), coupled with the actions of a new cast member, nearly brought me to tears. That’s the power of nostalgia and Williams knows how to milk it for all its worth. The music does its part making The Force Awakens feel like “real Star Wars.” lol though because he is definitely talking about the part where Rey grabbed the lightsaber that was tracked in from A New Hope and not actually written for the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Pawel P. said: The choirs, in addition to the themes related to Snoke, appear in the last quarters of the movie. Are they SATB choirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, Chen G. said: Are they SATB choirs? SATB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 A mixed chorus of men and women: Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Baritone and Bass. I was expecting an all-Basso Profundo choir like in The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Chen G. said: A mixed chorus of men and women: Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Baritone and Bass. I was expecting an all-Basso Profundo choir like in The Force Awakens. Thanks for clarifying..! Was thinking something profane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Sandor said: Was thinking something profane... You were probably thinking about castrato, but somehow I doubt that's in there.... Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: Are they SATB choirs? Yes, I think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted December 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2017 Lovely comment by David Arnold crumbs, Arpy, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Oh, how I’d love a David Arnold SW anthology score... crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy 68 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, curlytoot said: Oh, how I’d love a David Arnold SW anthology score... Oh yeah! I still listen to his "Stargate" score to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Collider shared an article about Williams' score on Facebook, here are the dismal comments: Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,313 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 Those people should all go fuck themselves. The end. Arpy, Chewy, Bayesian and 9 others 4 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Only Rey's Theme is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just keep in mind these vocal haters never actually represent the average opinion.... or at least I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 It's hard to take someone seriously when they say TLJ sounds like the other scores. This score is a new take for Williams... not like HA2 or COS, which is what I was expecting based on reviews. Aside from the reuse of themes and Williams general style of writing, this score is completely different from the previous entries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 It does make me feel smugly clued into real art and talent when I read idiotic criticism like those mindless hacks who spew their garbage opinions. Just imagine what it must be like to be of that low intelligence. They actually sit there and think to themselves that the score is boring, and nothing compared to trailer music. I sincerely feel sorry for them that they weren't raised better and that they didn't turn out like me, who can actually appreciate greatness. The smugness flows through me. John, Bayesian, Remco and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 627 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 Well, the joke is on them because some of the trailer music was based on Williams music. DarthDementous, leeallen01 and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 I love the comment about allowing Williams to retire in peace. It's as if Kathleen Kennedy kidnapped him and forced him to write the score at gunpoint. crumbs, Breadstick Basilisk, leeallen01 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 Let's get some positive comments up in here to balance out the negativity. Sandor, John, Will and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Yes, the comments on YouTube are very positive right now, especially in regards to the "Superstructure Chase" inclusion. People really do respond well to that nostalgia factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Porkins 53 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 You have to remember, there's still people out there who calls it Rey's song or "I like the song when the Falcon flies into the cave." They don't really understand the nuances of film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I feel we lower the level of discourse by bringing in random anonymous social media posts here. The level of discourse here is higher because most posters here are much better informed about film music that the general film-goer. We should keep the conversation at a high level and not let in uninformed garbage into these pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 But we can point at them and laugh, saying "See how dumb normal people are? WE'RE smart!" leeallen01 and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Ah man, how can you take this review seriously when it says the following: Quote you won't hear Rey's theme at all until the end credits ("Finale"). http://mashable.com/2017/12/16/star-wars-last-jedi-soundtrack/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link#4HWAqsPlraqr justaguy and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aviazn 273 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 My favorite YouTube comment I’ve seen so far, posted on The Spark. DarthDementous, pete and Will 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, aviazn said: My favorite YouTube comment I’ve seen so far, posted on The Spark. Force ghost John Williams! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, Damien F said: Ah man, how can you take this review seriously when it says the following: http://mashable.com/2017/12/16/star-wars-last-jedi-soundtrack/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link#4HWAqsPlraqr I already couldn't take it seriously from the first sentence of "Welcome to the latest in Mashable's "Club Bangers" series, in which we (I) break down extremely lit albums (film and television scores)..." Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I'm not even lowering myself to click the link. Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Right after she says Rey's theme isn't until the finale, she gives her thoughts on Ahch-To Island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I feel we lower the level of discourse by bringing in random anonymous social media posts here. The level of discourse here is higher because most posters here are much better informed about film music that the general film-goer. We should keep the conversation at a high level and not let in uninformed garbage into these pages. I agree and I don't even understand the urge to intentionally seek out stupid, uninformed comments to then get angry at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 The comments I shared were under an article about the score, and the majority of the comments were negative. 7 hours ago, leeallen01 said: I'm not even lowering myself to click the link. A numpty wrote the article. It's just pure schlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 "Though at first it seems like an ode to the Dark Side, "The Supremacy" is equally evocative of the light. Its themes get repackaged more playfully in "Fun with Finn and Rose," but there's a dangerous undercurrent to both that hints at more than just adventure. The new theme in both of them was introduced in the last moments of The Force Awakens when Rey meets Luke on Ahch-To." Wait... She's saying the "Jedi Steps" theme is in those two tracks??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 JW gets a mention in the BBC review: Will Gompertz reviews Star Wars: The Last Jedi ★★★★☆ - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42329374 Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Breadstick Basilisk said: Wait... She's saying the "Jedi Steps" theme is in those two tracks??? Theres no such theme! ITS JUST LUKE'S THEME PLAYED UPSIDE DOWN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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