Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Demoted! Do not pass Go, do not collect 200. Start again, young learner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 LOL you Muppet. I was waxing lyrical about The Spark over a month ago. It's awesome. But I don't really hear The Imperial March in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 See previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Unlike you though, I don't need a month and a rather tenuous thematic connection to proclaim the second half of The Spark as a bone-fide masterpiece. Remco and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Lol don't be pushing that BS on me lad, come on son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I dunno. Seconded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I am disappoint. Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The nod to the Imperial March in the ending of The Spark is very obvious to me and I can't chalk it off as a mere coincidence. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Good old Mikko. Always a fan with an ear worth his salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It doesnt matter for me anyway for that piece to be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It doesnt matter for me anyway for that piece to be awesome. But it makes it extra awesome to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I guess for Star Wars fanboys like you @Quintus it would have an extra meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 You could also claim it's based on The Jedi Steps. The chord movement is the same. I think it's meant to be evocative of both (Imperial March and Jedi Steps) in intervals and texture, but is not strictly derived from either. Quote TG: What makes music “Star-Wars-ian?” JW: It would include, without being technical about it, a similarity in harmonic modalities, a similarity in stylistic intervallic choices for melodies, similarities in orchestral textural presentations and the like.http://projectorandorchestra.com/john-williams-on-the-force-awakens-and-the-legacy-of-star-wars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I guess for Star Wars fanboys like you @Quintus it would have an extra meaning. Whatever you say Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, aviazn said: You could also claim it's based on The Jedi Steps. The chord movement is the same. I think it's meant to be evocative of both (Imperial March and Jedi Steps) in intervals and texture, but is not strictly derived from either. Well, the Jedi Steps sequence (which is essentialy scored with an inverted variation of Luke's theme) has echoes of the Imperial March, so yeah. But in that sequence it made sense, at least during the time of scoring: the music was suggesting the possiblity that Luke may turn out to have turned to evil. Its a subtle but powerful dramatic mechanism. In the Last Jedi, however, a couple of questionable decisions aside, that isn't really an issue, so why have the music suggest that in The Spark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,477 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The Spark motif is the inversion of the first 3 notes of Rey's theme. How's that for a connection? Showing he is the opposite of Rey. Not tempted at all by Kylo pecs and willing to fight and undo him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 That's a much more suitable thematic connection, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Speaking of thematic connections, people have remarked that Rose Theme resembles Anakins Theme. In fact the first 3 notes are the same. But I find the similarity to the force theme much more obvious: the first 6 notes are identical except that the 2nd note is shorter and it is in major instead of minor. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Not coincidence but I don't think the connection implies anything narrative-wise, either. I believe it's just done in the general favor of cohesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 If David Lynch was the composer it'd all be on purpose and by design! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The Midichlorians are not what they seem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aviazn 273 Posted January 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Chen G. said: Well, the Jedi Steps sequence (which is essentialy scored with an inverted variation of Luke's theme) has echoes of the Imperial March, so yeah. But in that sequence it made sense, at least during the time of scoring: the music was suggesting the possiblity that Luke may turn out to have turned to evil. Its a subtle but powerful dramatic mechanism. In the Last Jedi, however, a couple of questionable decisions aside, that isn't really an issue, so why have the music suggest that in The Spark? Why assume the music is supposed to represent only Luke? Maybe it represents the confrontation between Kylo Ren and Luke—a duel of the fates, or a battle of the heroes. In that context, as Ren stands on the verge of fulfilling Vader's goal of exterminating the Jedi, it makes perfect sense for echoes of the Imperial March to be swirling around. I mean, you can also parse it as music for Luke—you can argue that by insisting on the F-C-Ab triad and not changing even when the harmony shifts and implies the actual Imperial March with the Db, the music is reflecting how Luke is harnessing the lessons he's learned from his failures but rejecting his father's impulse to end the Jedi order. I would guess that the chord progression that is shared with the opening figure in The Jedi Steps is meant to imply Luke's Force-link to the temple island. But really, who knows? At the least it's all absolutely evocative of both The Jedi Steps and the Imperial March, which is certainly the intended effect. crumbs, John, Remco and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I've seen the movie three times now... wish they hadn't closed with the Force theme yet again. Being that Luke is "the spark" and the kid in the final shot is symbolic of "the next Luke" it would have been neat if Williams did something with Luke's theme to close out the movie. Would have been way better than yet another Force theme closing. Tiburon and DolceMecha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 15/01/2018 at 11:13 AM, Incanus said: The nod to the Imperial March in the ending of The Spark is very obvious to me and I can't chalk it off as a mere coincidence. It sounded obvious to me right when I heard it at the theatre, and also from the first time I heard it on the album, though by then I'd forgotten what it underscored it in the film, and I still don't really see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It sounded obvious to me right when I heard it at the theatre, and also from the first time I heard it on the album, though by then I'd forgotten what it underscored it in the film, and I still don't really see the point. I thought it sounded like Bruckner to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Built on the Imperial March ostinato, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Did anyone ever find the Emperor's theme that appears in TLJ recorded in theatre? I really want to hear it again!! I can't wait until the movie comes out in DVD lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, Luka said: Did anyone ever find the Emperor's theme that appears in TLJ recorded in theatre? Here you go! Sorry for the abysmal recording quality. 1) Emperor Tortures Rey (a really obvious rendition): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WNiywI6f_I-5vHFEQSRaUyCv4MajRqii 2) Lesson #2. Not really a direct use of the Emperor's theme, but something faintly allusive to it (and Vader's theme too!): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OdCW9Ag-af37EM6dJDwgM1KzZI0f5ybM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Falstaft said: Here you go! Sorry for the abysmal recording quality. 1) Emperor Tortures Rey (a really obvious rendition): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WNiywI6f_I-5vHFEQSRaUyCv4MajRqii 2) Lesson #2. Not really a direct use of the Emperor's theme, but something faintly allusive to it (and Vader's theme too!): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OdCW9Ag-af37EM6dJDwgM1KzZI0f5ybM THANK YOU!!! That's what I thought! There are strings that go up higher and make it sound so different and great and scary and menacing! I love it! I really wish we had it in an album! :'( Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Rian Johnson is currently geeking out about JW on Twitter, which is nice. This proves they recorded a new main title for TLJ Will, Tiburon, Falstaft and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Damien F said: This proves they recorded a new main title for TLJ It was not retained for the album it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 21st of November 2016? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I wish they had used the new recording. I miss having distinct renditions of the main titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 In response to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (Rian also mentions that JW called him baby) So are we to presume that JW and his music editor basically said "fuck it" and went with the TFA recording, and Rian has just been assuming this whole time that it was new? Or is there any chance still that it is a new recording in the film itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If it was the recording from TFA in the film and Johnson didn't know, that is kind of sad, especially since recording a new title was clearly a moment of emotional significance to Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,278 Posted January 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, crocodile said: 21st of November 2016? Karol Johnson's Vimeo description says it's actually from December 15, 2016 Maybe November 21 is the date of that version of the edit? 3 hours ago, DominicCobb said: (Rian also mentions that JW called him baby) Yes, "Rian Baby" confirmed! And a couple more tweets on Johnny John, idril, Damien F and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Very interesting, and nice to actually hear the performance differences (of which there are plenty, and that's only one take!) 6 hours ago, DominicCobb said: So are we to presume that JW and his music editor basically said "fuck it" and went with the TFA recording, and Rian has just been assuming this whole time that it was new? This is the conclusion I'm reaching as well. So despite workshopping 1M1 with the orchestra multiple times, JW's seemingly opted (with his music editor) to use the TFA version without even consulting the director. Could Williams really not extract a superior version of the cue across that many sessions, even patched together from multiple takes? I'd understand on a tighter schedule (like the prequels) that he might not have time to perfect a cue to his satisfaction, but he's been afforded as much time as he needs on these new films. Strange and... yeah, disappointing. Even stranger that Dudamel received no credit, considering he conducted the version they used! Would've thought that was a union/legal requirement, given how all that stuff is logged. rpvee and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He certainly conducting with a lot of energy there crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I thought that, too! Looks very energetic for 84! Makes you wonder what cues he couldn't conduct... Battle of Crait maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I wonder if it might not even necessarily be about specific cues that he couldn't do, but more just where he was at by the end of a long day or week. Like maybe it's 9am on Monday and he can deal with "Battle of Crait" no problem, but different story at 4pm on Friday. Or he spends all morning on "Battle of Crait" and he's tired so Ross takes over on "The Cave" for a few hours. But I also don't know in that hypothetical case whether Williams would feel more compelled to be on the podium for a chaotic action cue or a quieter dramatic scene. Also I have no idea how long a day's session usually goes. And of course we're just assuming Ross's conducting assistance has been about Williams's physical endurance, but obviously hard to imagine it being anything else. toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 saw the movie another time I noticed most of the unreleased music is in the middle of the film during the canto blight sequences, Luke and Rey around her "second" lesson and the flashback sequences, and the scenes dealing with Poe trying to stop Holdo's plans. Lots of cool action music and fanfares for transitional shots like the medical frigate getting destroyed I think... I also noticed one really nice variation of the resistance march . there's also a heroic version of Rose's theme when Finn and Rose escape the first order ship after the battle with Phasma Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Yes, I need them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 hours ago, king mark said: Lots of cool action music and fanfares for transitional shots like the medical frigate getting destroyed I think Yes! I've only seen the film once BUT I distinctly remember this very cool brassy fanfare! Just your usual John Williams spaceship-doing-shit-in-space fanfare, brilliant as always. 9 hours ago, king mark said: there's also a heroic version of Rose's theme when Finn and Rose escape the first order ship after the battle with Phasma Another instantly memorable musical moment I was really bummed to hear absent on both OST and FYC. It would've been fantastic combined into Chrome Dome, it's such a fun variation on her theme (and the album is quite lacking in presentations of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 hours ago, king mark said: saw the movie another time I noticed most of the unreleased music is in the middle of the film during the canto blight sequences, Luke and Rey around her "second" lesson and the flashback sequences, and the scenes dealing with Poe trying to stop Holdo's plans. Lots of cool action music and fanfares for transitional shots like the medical frigate getting destroyed I think... I also noticed one really nice variation of the resistance march . there's also a heroic version of Rose's theme when Finn and Rose escape the first order ship after the battle with Phasma Yeah, that last moment really stuck out to me when I saw the film. It might be similar to the end of Rebellion Reborn, though, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 hours ago, king mark said: saw the movie another time I noticed most of the unreleased music is in the middle of the film during the canto blight sequences, Luke and Rey around her "second" lesson and the flashback sequences, and the scenes dealing with Poe trying to stop Holdo's plans. Lots of cool action music and fanfares for transitional shots like the medical frigate getting destroyed I think... I also noticed one really nice variation of the resistance march . there's also a heroic version of Rose's theme when Finn and Rose escape the first order ship after the battle with Phasma 4 I was hoping this would appear on the FYC. I also liked the short bit when Phasma falls into the flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The cool march of the resistance is when Poe is walking in the ship corridors to go confront Holdo i think. it's kind of slow and militaristic also there was another fanfare when you see shots bouncing off the main rebellion cruiser' shields in a transition shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooten 2 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 5:13 AM, Incanus said: The nod to the Imperial March in the ending of The Spark is very obvious to me and I can't chalk it off as a mere coincidence. Kind of reminds me of the droid army themes from TPM as well. It’s throughout this cue, but the clearest part starts about 0:31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 yeah, that's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 19 hours ago, wooten said: Kind of reminds me of the droid army themes from TPM as well. It’s throughout this cue, but the clearest part starts about 0:31 Now that is what I call action music where the orchestra is having fun and flying all over the place!!! One of the best cues ever. The spark is cool, but nothing compared to this. However, remember, it makes sense to have it be associated to some degree to the Imperial march because Luke is Vader's son and Kylo is his grandson and part of the "New Empire" so to speak. The third note lands different in The Spark and that is the key of it not being totally the Imperial March, same family, different guys! God why isn't this ever played in Concert, I would be hard throughout! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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