The Last Jedi SPOILER TALK - The Last Jedi (open spoilers allowed!!!)

[nightscape94 965]

There is so much going on in the movie emotionally with Rey and Luke, and Rey and Ben, and the resistance, that adding more information about Rey's parents would have been too much.  Now with only one more film in the trilogy, it's one less thing to have to worry about.  Personally, with so much emphasis on lineage, like with Vader and Luke, and Luke and Leia, and Ben and Han, why continue to mess with people in the same way over and over again.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Just now, El Jefe said:

It it would have worked better had Finn and Poe teamed up.

 

Sure, but they seem to be setting Poe up as the new leader, taking over from Leia.

 

If Fisher hadn't died my guess is Ep 9 would have dealt with that.

1 minute ago, nightscape94 said:

There is so much going on in the movie emotionally with Rey and Luke, and Rey and Ben, and the resistance, that adding more information about Rey's parents would have been too much.  Now with only one more film in the trilogy, it's one less thing to have to worry about.  Personally, with so much emphasis on lineage, like with Vader and Luke, and Luke and Leia, and Ben and Han, why continue to mess with people in the same way over and over again.

 

It also makes sense from a franchise point of view. Disney wants to make a LOT of SW movies. So it makes sense there's removing it a bit from the Skywalker family drama. Which was never my favorite aspect anyway.

[ZackR 95]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

I agree with Stefan.  I thought it was great that Rey's parents were nobodies and new Force users can come from anywhere.  It's like muggle-born wizards in Harry Potter

Yeah, I can see that point for sure. In this world so far, lineage has played a huge role. I am not opposed to the whole "muggle morn" idea being carried over. I just like the lineage aspect of Star Wars. 

 

I also do like Kylo being the main villain - I just feel Snoke was wasted and never really given any weight. I never felt like, "Oh, Kylo has stepped up and either taken or inherited the role from this great evil power. It just seems like he took over for the guy who was main villain because the movie told us he was. He never had any weight to me. Definitely glad he's gone - just don't think he ever seemed to matter.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

You guys are all forgetting the most important part of the film; this is the first time we hear the word "ass" in Star Wars!

[Jay 37,322]

8 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said:

There may be some Harry Potter influence on some people's obsession with this aspect. That series kept fans in a state of suspense over blood relations from novel to novel, and it nurtured that same desire for catharsis in SW fandom.

 

WTF?  That is not true at all!

 

 

4 minutes ago, ZackR said:

Yeah, I can see that point for sure. In this world so far, lineage has played a huge role. I am not opposed to the whole "muggle morn" idea being carried over. I just like the lineage aspect of Star Wars. 

 

I also do like Kylo being the main villain - I just feel Snoke was wasted and never really given any weight. I never felt like, "Oh, Kylo has stepped up and either taken or inherited the role from this great evil power. It just seems like he took over for the guy who was main villain because the movie told us he was. He never had any weight to me. Definitely glad he's gone - just don't think he ever seemed to matter.

 

Having Rey's parents be some characters we already know (or relatives of them) would have just been more "small universe' syndrome, like the prequels were full of.  This is better.  The kid with the broom could be the main character in Rian's new trilogy!

[nightscape94 965]

4 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

You guys are all forgetting the most important part of the film; this is the first time we hear the word "ass" in Star Wars.

 

Bizarrely perhaps, the word that caught me off guard was "godspeed".

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Just now, nightscape94 said:

 

Bizarrely perhaps, the word that caught me off guard was "godspeed".

 

Disney scheme to appeal to all demographics.

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

1 minute ago, nightscape94 said:

 

Bizarrely perhaps, the word that caught me off guard was "godspeed".

 

That was in my "review" pages ago.  There is no God in SW. 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

There's a religion, why can't there be a God?

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

Just now, Stefancos said:

There's a religion, why can't there be a God?

 

There's only the force.  There is no other "religion" in the movies. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Panaka said "sitting ducks" in TPM. We've never seen ducks in SW.

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

1 minute ago, Denise Bryson said:

Panaka said "sitting ducks" in TPM. We've never seen ducks in SW.

 

And that was super dumb too.

 

But, if you're using that to defend "God,"  well, NO ONE has ever seen God, in Star Wars or real life.

[KK 3,307]

19 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

Disagree 100%!

The "who's Rey's parents" thing was the most baffling aspect people latched onto and I'm glad TLJ didn't give in to fan service in this aspect. 

 

I appreciated this as well.

 

On another note, I also liked that they didn't kill off Leia. It seemed apt and even respectful, playing true to character/narrative over circumstances. Though I wonder how they'll deal with it in the next film. It'll probably start with a big time jump.

[Jay 37,322]

It definitely seems like Episode 9 should start like 5 years or more after where 8 ends.  I mean, between 7 and 8, we've seen like what, 5 consecutive days in these guys lives?  Time to let them live for a while before we revisit them!

[KK 3,307]

Given TLJ's ending, I'm guessing we might see a regrown Resistance and even some new Jedi in training?

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

Just now, KK said:

Given TLJ's ending, I'm guessing we might see a regrown Resistance and even some new Jedi in training?

Training by who?  A giggling shimmering Yoda and bad-pun Luke?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Right now the whole Resistance fits neatly into the Falcon. So they will have to rebuild yes.

 

4 minutes ago, KK said:

Given TLJ's ending, I'm guessing we might see a regrown Resistance and even some new Jedi in training?

 

The whole point of the film seems to be that the Jedi must end. 

But Rey saved the Journal Of The Whills, so who knows.

 

 

[Jay 37,322]

They mentioned friends of Leia in the "outter territories" that didn't come to their aid.  So there are more anti-First-Order peeps out there, and as the FO's tyrrany grows there will be more and more of them, etc.

 

I just worry now that JJ Abrams is coming back for 9, that it'l be another death star destroying mission to wrap things up!

[King Mark 3,626]

10 hours ago, crocodile said:

It's a nice tie-in to The Last Guardian.

 

 

Karol

YES! I noticed that

[Jay 37,322]

Me too!

[King Mark 3,626]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

• Yoda!  I don't mind that he was included, or the general idea that he can still force ghost up and talk to people, but he LOOKED terrible (what happened to the old puppet!?), he SOUNDED terrible (Frank Oz apparently forgot how to do the voice, he just sounds like Miss Piggy now), and the dialogue they had him say was THE WORST.  His weird-Yoda-speak is indeering, but somehow in TESB and ROTJ they found the perfect amount of it to use in those films.  In the prequels it started to get to be too much ("Around the survivors a perimeter create" is atrocious), but here it was almost ALL bad lines.  I actually had to stop and use my brain to decode some of his sentences, which never

 

 

 I thought Frank Oz died years ago!

[ZackR 95]

18 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

 

Having Rey's parents be some characters we already know (or relatives of them) would have just been more "small universe' syndrome, like the prequels were full of.  This is better.  The kid with the broom could be the main character in Rian's new trilogy!

 

That’s a good point. I can agree with that.

 

I do hope IX takes place some years in the future. Given the state of everything, it almost seems like it would have to.

[KK 3,307]

4 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

The whole point of the film seems to be that the Jedi must end. 

But Rey saved the Journal Of The Whills, so who knows.

 

Which is funny because Luke refutes that whole point when he boasts at the end, that he isn't the last Jedi. And then the film ends with some kid who manages to use the Force, so the whole thing seems like a misnomer.

 

It would have been cool if the film committed more to breaking down the barriers between Jedi and Sith and Light and Dark.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The Force and the Jedi are two different things though.

 

I think both Rey and Ren intend to reshape the light and dark side. Make it their own rather than follow in the footsteps of the Jedi and the Sith.

 

 

[Jay 37,322]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

I think both Rey and Ren intend to reshape the light and dark side. Make it their own rather than follow in the footsteps of the Jedi and the Sith.

 

Exactly

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's a pity the film is rather clunky, because it does have some great ideas, and interesting things to say about The Force, the Jedi etc.

 

Was Johnson the sole writer? Pity Kasdan didn't have a pass at the script, tweak things a bit.

[Jay 37,322]

Yes, the first credit was "Written and Directed by Rian Johnson"

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Did anyone catch the song credits, there were 2. One for Williams/Mercer song, what was the other?

[Jay 37,322]

Aquarela do Brasil.

 

 

See here:

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28076-the-last-jedi-ost-album-music-discussion-no-movie-spoilers/&page=12&tab=comments#comment-1430001

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Thanks.

[Jay 37,322]

 

And here:

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=28076&content_commentid=1429565

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Didn't you say a while ago John Williams was the only conductor on this score?

[Jay 37,322]

I was told he was!

 

Someone mis-informed me!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Since the Main Title was a reuse, technically the film has 3 conductors.

[Jay 37,322]

That's assuming the TFA main title conducting credit is accurate.

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

5 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Since the Main Title was a reuse, technically the film has 3 conductors.

And you know what's weird?  That little featurette before the double feature showed him recording the Main Title.  So what gives?

[Jay 37,322]

Just remembered another part of the film I liked - Maz's cameo!  I thought that was pretty good!  I actually hope she plays a prominent role in episode 9.

 

And I remembered a part I didn't like, the casino.  Felt too much like an earth casino, didn't feel Star Wars-y enough.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The new trilogy hasnt mastered alien planets at all.

 

 

[nightscape94 965]

I actually didn't care for Maz's cameo.  Felt like, well, a cameo, and not a natural extension of the material.  Too attention-grabbing and awkward.

 

As for locations, I did like the salt planet.

 

[publicist 4,643]

25 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

It's a pity the film is rather clunky, because it does have some great ideas, and interesting things to say about The Force, the Jedi etc.

 

It had some formidable kitsch like the floating Leia and even if some of the jokes were too much, a surprising number sparkled. What i'm trying to say is that i prefer this, warts and all, to Abrams' polished (read: boring) fan service ('Rogue One' was even worse). The movie felt alive - i didn't expect that.

[Jay 37,322]

2 minutes ago, nightscape94 said:

As for locations, I did like the salt planet.

 

Crait looked great!  They spend FAR too little time there though!  Should have spent more time there, and less on the transports...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

They could have gotten there a lot sooner. Its actually the same situation as on the ships. Trapped with the First Order closing. There's no change.

[Jay 37,322]

Yep!

[nightscape94 965]

Was it ever properly explained why a bunch of star destroyers felt compelled to keep their distance from one escaping rebel ship, and just fire on it continuously, draining its power?  I mean, they waited 13 or so hours until they ran out of juice, couldn't they just take it out?  Did I miss a plot element?

[Jay 37,322]

Nah, it made no sense.  

[Holko 9,499]

The Resistance ships purposefully kept themselves out of range so the SD weapons couldn't damage their super-bubble-shield significantly. If the SDs would speed up to catch up, they would speed up - which would consume fuel more quickly. Why didn't the SDs speed up because of this? Or send some kaikaze suicide fighters out of their range to take out the engines or something like they took out the bridge?

[KK 3,307]

They had some "clever" explanation about the ship's size and proximity. But jeez, did that whole thing drag.

 

And was anyone else getting bummed out seeing the Resistance constantly slaughtered and on the chase?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

 

1 minute ago, Holko said:

The Resistance ships purposefully kept themselves out of range so the SD weapons couldn't damage their super-bubble-shield. If the SDs would speed up to catch up, they would speed up - which would consume fuel more quickly. Why didn't the SDs speed up because of this?

 

Yes! Visually this isn't shown very well though. It's all exposition.

 

 

Just now, KK said:

And was anyone else getting bummed out seeing the Resistance constantly slaughtered and on the chase?

 

No, i think that was the point.

 

It resembles TESB in that it's a chase film, they just move too slow.

[KK 3,307]

At some point, it became a little monotonous.

[crocodile 7,990]

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

 

Disagree 100%!

The "who's Rey's parents" thing was the most baffling aspect people latched onto and I'm glad TLJ didn't give in to fan service in this aspect. 

I also loved how casual this reveal felt. Loved it. It's a great moment in the film and it's strange how it mirrors one other big 2017 film.

 

Karol