The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)

[Jurassic Shark 12,882]

Probably all of them.

 

[Joni Wiljami 1,208]

Oh, Brundle is that good

[Brundlefly 2,393]

Of course.

 

No seriously, it was just the piano-only passage of the end credits track. The part that is then repeated by strings is basically the same passage that I already knew, before the soundtrack was released - basically.

 

As I always wanted to be a film composer and thus composed a lot since I was around 11, there is maybe a minimal chance that this will happen again?

[MAG-SI 10]

ONLY ONE thing is great about this s*** of the movie is music. 

This is the one StarWars picture that I will not watch again in my life. 

 

Soundtrack I LOVE!

 

Peace.  

[filmmusic 2,151]

21 minutes ago, MAG-SI said:

ONLY ONE thing is great about this s*** of the movie is music. 

This is the one StarWars picture that I will not watch again in my life. 

 

Soundtrack I LOVE!

 

Peace.  

Still haven't seen the film but I think it's the first SW film that I read so many exactly opposite opinions!

Others call it a masterpiece, and others regard it as the worst SW film (i see there is a petition too to remove it from the SW canon)

 

And i see such opinions not only by random people. I read it from people working in the industry etc, in my facebook feed.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376]

37 minutes ago, MAG-SI said:

ONLY ONE thing is great about this s*** of the movie is music. 

This is the one StarWars picture that I will not watch again in my life. 

 

Soundtrack I LOVE!

 

Peace.  

 

What was wrong with it?

[Chen G. 4,475]

2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

Others call it a masterpiece, and others regard it as the worst SW film.

 

It is by no means the worst Star Wars movie (one would have to sink low indeed to surpass Attack of the Clones for that title) or even a bad movie.

 

Its also by no means whatsoever a masterpiece. Just a decent, but flawed, movie.

[Arpy 4,159]

This motif at 0:25 is from "Inside Starkiller Base" from TFA:

 

I think it informs the action motif (The Quidditch Match reference) in a few moments in the score. It either represents Kylo or the Resistance...

[Demodex 558]

I'm not sure why people are responding so negatively to the movie. It's the best one since Empire. 

 

The score though is my least favorite of the 8 films. 

[Bespin 8,673]

I gave the album a second listen, that's not a bad score, it's pretty much a good one.

 

At least it represent the "frenetic" montage of the movie. But I think that it's better to give temp tracks to John Williams than let him record longer pieces which finally will be cut, edited and looped in the final montage of the movie.

 

I always loved quiet tracks that are quiet from the beginning to the end, and action cues that are the same.

 

On the Last Jedi, each tracks seems a fest of themes using different tempis, colors, moods... 

 

I don't say it doesn't work, it's rather the contrary. What I'm saying, it's that score destabilize me.

 

But John Williams suceeded in delivering a very good score to the rather strange "Star Wars meets Marvel" movie of Rian Johnson.

[Jurassic Shark 12,882]

I have yet to see the movie, but Star Wars meets Marvel doesn't sound promising...

[Bespin 8,673]

Some liked it very much, don't care about the critics of an old monkey like me!

[Arpy 4,159]

11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

I have yet to see the movie, but Star Wars meets Marvel doesn't sound promising...

It's nowhere near that drastic of a change. There's a few strange moments, but it's a "Star Wars" film through and through.

[King Mark 3,679]

There are new themes in this score.

 

The Luke Island theme and Rose's Thteme are both great

 

there's also that Holdo desperation motif that's awesome

 

maybe it because the score is so long and were missing most of the music that they don;t stand out on the album

 

 

[Chen G. 4,475]

Wow, THREE thematic ideas!

 

Williams previous scores boasted twice that, or more.

[King Mark 3,679]

There's probably more we haven't found out yet

 

 

[Balahkay 629]

There are motifs scattered here and there but no other majors themes... that I noticed anyway.

[DominicCobb 195]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

I have yet to see the movie, but Star Wars meets Marvel doesn't sound promising...

 

That's not a good description of the movie in any way.

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376]

Reminded me more of PJ humour than Marvel. Only "Hugs" was Marvel.

[gkgyver 1,647]

8 hours ago, king mark said:

There are new themes in this score.

 

The Luke Island theme and Rose's Thteme are both great

 

there's also that Holdo desperation motif that's awesome

 

maybe it because the score is so long and were missing most of the music that they don;t stand out on the album

 

 

 

They don't stand out on the album because save for Rose, they're extremely average.

[Joni Wiljami 1,208]

Good!! You are extremely much under the average.

[Chewy 2,495]

11 hours ago, Bespin said:

I gave the album a second listen, that's not a bad score, it's pretty much a good one.

 

At least it represent the "frenetic" montage of the movie. But I think that it's better to give temp tracks to John Williams than let him record longer pieces which finally will be cut, edited and looped in the final montage of the movie.

 

I always loved quiet tracks that are quiet from the beginning to the end, and action cues that are the same.

 

On the Last Jedi, each tracks seems a fest of themes using different tempis, colors, moods... 

 

I don't say it doesn't work, it's rather the contrary. What I'm saying, it's that score destabilize me.

 

But John Williams suceeded in delivering a very good score to the rather strange "Star Wars meets Marvel" movie of Rian Johnson.

I told you that you would start liking it one day

[Joni Wiljami 1,208]

Of course they all would. But this is the way of this community.

[artguy360 1,889]

One thing that does bother me with the OST and the score itself is how busy each track is. Outside of the concert track, no piece of music begins a musical idea and sticks with it to the end of the track. Instead we gets lots of ideas jammed together in short order with no room for development or for the music to breath. It reminds me of ROTS but even worse in TLJ. 

 

TFA felt more evenly paced than TLJ, where a track like The Scavenger can introduce and develop Rey's Theme while I Can Fly Anything is a pretty coherent, self-contained action piece. TLJ is more a mismatch of many different musical ideas but also a genuine reflection of the film.

[TheUlyssesian 2,566]

38 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

One thing that does bother me with the OST and the score itself is how busy each track is. Outside of the concert track, no piece of music begins a musical idea and sticks with it to the end of the track. Instead we gets lots of ideas jammed together in short order with no room for development or for the music to breath. It reminds me of ROTS but even worse in TLJ. 

 

TFA felt more evenly paced than TLJ, where a track like The Scavenger can introduce and develop Rey's Theme while I Can Fly Anything is a pretty coherent, self-contained action piece. TLJ is more a mismatch of many different musical ideas but also a genuine reflection of the film.

 

A function of the film. TLJ is much more cut-ty - relentlessly jumping from character to character, plot line to plot line, all over the galaxy and all over the place. The score is just following suite.

[artguy360 1,889]

19 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

A function of the film. TLJ is much more cut-ty - relentlessly jumping from character to character, plot line to plot line, all over the galaxy and all over the place. The score is just following suite.

I agree and that's really too bad. This movie has too many storylines. TESB managed to juggle 2 separate threads while still finding time to breath but this film is in a constant rush. Some of the best music JW wrote for the PT were for the quieter moments and TLJ even moreso than TFA is missing those opportunities.

[Chen G. 4,475]

True. That's something that's at the heart of the film's pacing issues: you can't have a feature film, much less a two-and-a-half-hour one, feel so constantly urgent. The audience will either become exhausted of it, or saturated in it, or both.

 

Sadly, that affects the score although I'd say it wagers much better than the visuals in this regard.

[justaguy 68]

Not sure if it's the right place to drop it in, but here you go:

 

[artguy360 1,889]

Who is Austin Wintory?

[justaguy 68]

He is best known for composing soundtrack to Journey computer game I believe.

[Chen G. 4,475]

I dunno who he is, but whoever he is doesn't change the fact that he has a point.

[ocelot 549]

I absolutely LOVE this score on so many levels. It perfectly highlights every scene of the movie and honestly, how many new themes do we really need? Think about it. I love that he used so many themes from previous movies because this is a continuation of those characters and situations. I don't need any more new themes unless it really calls for them. As for "Austin Wintery Autumnface", what's he talking about? How many new themes are in Episodes 2 and 3? If a character requires a theme or motif and the director asks for it and Williams thinks it calls for one, he'll write one. Since when can he not write a theme? We got at least 5 new ideas here didn't we?

[crumbs 14,696]

I guess the better question is: why should I give a flying fuck what some nobody called Austin Wintory thinks of the score?

 

The only opinion that matters is my own.

[KK 3,308]

I agree with Austin Wintory!

 

32 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Who is Austin Wintory?

 

The future saviour of film music!

[gkgyver 1,647]

I love that someone has an opinion of the score that differs from the average JW or SW fanboy, and despite him saying he enjoys it, he gets instantly insulted.

 

It's like throwing a small stone into a chicken coop. The noise and severity of the stone is insignificant compared to the triggered panic of the chicken.

[crumbs 14,696]

I love this sudden revisionist history that every Star Wars score until The Last Jedi has been brimming with non-stop new ideas and TLJ has broken tradition.

 

Revenge of the Sith had maybe three significant new ideas (Battle of the Heroes, Anakin's Betrayal & Grievous material) and the rest is stacked with quotes of existing themes (Force Theme, Across the Stars, Imperial March, Emperor's Theme, Yoda's Theme, Leia's Theme, Luke's Theme, Rebel Fanfare, etc.) direct lifts from previous scores (Departing Coruscant from TPM, The Duel from ESB, Qui-Gon's Funeral) and tracked music galore (Duel of the Fates, The Arena, Trade Federation March, Battleship Destroyed, etc.)

 

TLJ is at least comparable to ROTS with its new material. Rose's Theme, the Island Life theme, the Desperation/Holdo theme, plus the Canto Bight motif, new source music, the chase music for the Fathiers, stunning one-off cues as good as anything he wrote in the OT (The Spark, second half of Escape) and new variations of existing themes no less recycled than those found in ROTS.

 

Take off the nostalgia glasses and remember that Star Wars has always been constructed around leitmotif, then take a moment to recognise that TLJ (as a direct continuation of TFA) didn't exactly offer Williams a sprawling array of new characters/locations to work with. Ironically, perhaps the only musical "missed opportunity" was the Porgs!

[armorb 9]

Can anyone tell me what scene the last minute of "Who Are You?" scores? I've seen the movie twice, and have no memory at all of such unique (and loud) variations of Luke's theme (2:25-2:29) and the Rebel Fanfare (2:09-2:13)...

[crumbs 14,696]

7 minutes ago, armorb said:

Can anyone tell me what scene the last minute of "Who Are You?" scores? I've seen the movie twice, and have no memory at all of such unique (and loud) variations of Luke's theme (2:25-2:29) and the Rebel Fanfare (2:09-2:13)...

 

I think this is the sequence where BB8 breaks Finn/Rose/Benecio Del Toro out of prison. Note the Canto Bight motif (yep, another new idea for those keeping count) at 2:41.

[Docteur Qui 1,572]

2 hours ago, gkgyver said:

I love that someone has an opinion of the score that differs from the average JW or SW fanboy, and despite him saying he enjoys it, he gets instantly insulted.

 

It's like throwing a small stone into a chicken coop. The noise and severity of the stone is insignificant compared to the triggered panic of the chicken.

 

That's rich, seeing as every time you enter a thread it's to disparage others of their opinions, and then instantly claim to be victimised by the "fanboys" when you've been challenged for your hostile attitude.

 

I genuinely don't understand why you have to interrupt every single TLJ thread with how much you don't like the score and act like a pariah about it. Yeah we get it, and your opinion is valid, but read the room dude. It's a John Williams fan site, of course a lot of us are going to get a bit annoyed with the negativity. It's an inherently unpleasant emotion to engage in and it kills so many of the discussions about the music that people are having.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376]

Gyver is the most toxic member of this community and has been for years. 

 

I'll have a beer when he dies.

[artguy360 1,889]

24 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said:

 

That's rich, seeing as every time you enter a thread it's to disparage others of their opinions, and then instantly claim to be victimised by the "fanboys" when you've been challenged for your hostile attitude.

 

I genuinely don't understand why you have to interrupt every single TLJ thread with how much you don't like the score and act like a pariah about it. Yeah we get it, and your opinion is valid, but read the room dude. It's a John Williams fan site, of course a lot of us are going to get a bit annoyed with the negativity. It's an inherently unpleasant emotion to engage in and it kills so many of the discussions about the music that people are having.

It's not just about having a negative opinion, it's that he articulates it poorly, responds to criticism like someone who was socialized only thru the internet, then calls me passive aggressive only to come into this thread and make a passive aggressive comment about me because he can't seem to handle basic online communication. 

 

But not to get hung up on his personal issues, he just doesn't seem to discuss music well.

[crumbs 14,696]

Nothing wrong with divergent opinions but can we give the score more than ONE WEEK before we start obnoxiously pontificating that Williams is wasting his talent writing these scores?

 

Seems tone-deaf and disrespectful to Williams, who is clearly working his ass off to conform his "old fashioned" writing style into the demands of new-age filmmaking by a director who has never directed a film with music on this scale (or with a composer whose process resembles Williams'). Perhaps Rian just didn't consider himself musically literate enough to do a traditional spotting session? Maybe both parties agreed it would be easier to define Rian's vision for the score with a temp in place? We don't have the faintest idea what their collaboration was like, so enough with the holier-than-thou attitude that posters here would know better.

 

In any event, the end result is perfectly fine and no less original than one of those "vintage" scores like ROTS. The wrist slashing about recycled music is embarrassing, completely ignoring the leitmotif style of the scores and the glaring fact we only have half the score on album. Not to mention his integration of TFA themes is actually more inspired than in TFA itself (perhaps excepting Rey's Theme).

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376]

I was hoping for a Parade Of The Porgs concert track! 5 minutes long, with multiple false endings.

[Jurassic Shark 12,882]

54 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I was hoping for a Parade Of The Porgs concert track! 5 minutes long, with multiple false endings.

 

It will be in the victory celebration scene which they will tag on to the end for the SE release in 2035.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Having now time on Christmas weekend, I listened to both Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones again (Soundtrack presentations). I don't know how you can say TLJ fits right in with those. Especially Phantom Menace is sparkling with originality and is so vibrant, it stands far and above anything in both Episodes VII and VIII. And it's not even close. Same with Epsiode II. Less vibrant, but still another league.

[DolceMecha 18]

If anyone's interested, I edited the Japanese album cover so it fit better into a square. I love this version of the poster with Rey front and centre.

 

 

[Chewy 2,495]

Do you guys have any idea what this recurrent little "dark" motif could be related to:

 

 

 

 

 

[Bofur01 247]

That’s got to be some form of Dark Side motif, right?