The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)

[Taikomochi 620]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Listen carefully to the strained and slowed down strings here:

 

It's a variation on this, closing with the same cadence as the opening bars of Rey's Theme (though in another key or something?):

 

Once you pick that up it unlocks the rest. It's not note-for-note but it's clearly derived from Rey's Theme.

 

Pretty confident the choir preceding it is the opening bar of Rey's Theme with an extra note towards the end (before the strings take over).

 

Ok now I do hear the connection you are drawing. Great catch!

[rough cut 855]

So many The Last Jedi threads, its hard to keep track...

 

Anyhow, Rian Johnson posted a video to his Twitter of JW conducting the main theme.

 

Rian’s twitter post

 

Strange! Since it seems to be TFA version on the album. Right?

 

 

[Jay 17623]

Yea, its the TFA recording on the album and in the film

 

These threads might interest you

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28089-the-last-jedi-music-featurette-with-recording-sessions-footage-shown-at-opening-night-fan-event/

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28083-podcast-rian-johnson-on-how-john-williams-works/

[rough cut 855]

Yes, I knew it wasn’t new information, but still thought it might be worth posting since it was a relatively new tweet from Rian. But there’s always a chance it’s in another thread already!

 

But why does this keep coming up? Could it be that Rian doesn’t know that “his” version wasn’t used?

[fommes 89]

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Yea, its the TFA recording on the album and in the film

 

I didn't know it was already confirmed that in the film it was the TFA version as well. What a pity.

[DarthDementous 217]

On 25/01/2018 at 6:59 AM, rough cut said:

So many The Last Jedi threads, its hard to keep track...

 

Anyhow, Rian Johnson posted a video to his Twitter of JW conducting the main theme.

 

Rian’s twitter post

 

Strange! Since it seems to be TFA version on the album. Right?

 

 

woah, what the hell?!

 

that variation kicks so much ass!

 

why the hell was it not used, that opening trumpet blast is glorious and every section of orchestra sounds so powerful.

 

far superior to the TFA version used and more than worthy of the variations that came before. 

[artguy360 1048]

I think enough time has passed now and my opinion of the film has settled that I can revisit the OST and just appreciate it in a new way as music independent of the film it was written for much like I do for the 3 prequel scores. TPM is a terrible movie but one of my all time favorite JW scores. Who knows how I'll feel about TLJ after a few repeat listens.

 

[Bofur01 208]

Is it me or is the map theme/“mystery chords” from TFA repeated in “The Spark” when Luke appears? At 0:27

[Chewy 1010]

Double LPs to be released on March 16: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0792JQVST/

[Demodex 475]

Vinyl. Meh. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

TLJ OST...meh.

 

It's not disrespect, master, it's the truth.

[Taikomochi 620]

Maybe we can make a bot that will auto-comment "The Last Jedi score is bad" when someone bumps one of these threads so the same usual suspects who feel the need to chime in about how bad the score is every single time these threads get bumped can save themselves a lot of time.

[Chen G. 1956]

People can express their opinion all the same!

[Taikomochi 620]

I’m just trying to save you some time, buddy

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

By Williams SW standards, yes, TLJ is pretty bad.

[Taikomochi 620]

It looks like that bot already exists

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

I'm the Titanic/Prequel quote bot. 

[Brundlefly 1767]

The Last Jedi is better than Titanic. At least they had a real choir.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

[The Big Man 6938]

You know I do believe this thread may sink.

[John 2055]

Canto Bight > anything and everything in Titanic

[gkgyver 1562]

4 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

Maybe we can make a bot that will auto-comment "The Last Jedi score is bad" when someone bumps one of these threads so the same usual suspects who feel the need to chime in about how bad the score is every single time these threads get bumped can save themselves a lot of time.

 

Maybe we can make a bot that will auto-comment "you are stupid and have no taste", so the usual suspects who feel the need to chime in with snide and derogatory comments to people who don't worship TLJ can save themselves a lot of time.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

The people defending TLJ and attacking others who don't like it just can't accept the possibility that Williams may have truly delivered a poor SW score, or they're in denial. TFA was far from perfect, but it was a pretty solid dose of that good old Williams drug soup. TLJ isn't Justice League disappointing, but it's a damn mediocre score.

[John 2055]

32 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said:

The people defending TLJ and attacking others who don't like it just can't accept the possibility that Williams may have truly delivered a poor SW score, or they're in denial.

 

Or maybe those defending Williams' work truly believe it is a great soundtrack, even for a Star Wars score, and have just as every bit a right to their own opinion as those criticizing the score?

 

"...or they're in denial"... that's pretty ironic coming from you, judging by your taste and professed love for certain objectively poor movies.

[Balahkay 626]

I disagree. TLJ is an excellent score and very effective in the film. I’m starting to like it more than TFA.

 

If you want an example of a poor SW score, listen to RO.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

Rogue One doesn't count. That's Michael Cappuccino.

[Taikomochi 620]

It doesn’t offend me that people dislike the score. I think that is a valid opinion. What I find fucking infuriating is the people who feel the need to come into every thread and denigrate not just the score but also the people who like it, that there is no explanation that they like it except that they have no taste or they are in denial.  Everyone is entitled to like or dislike the score.

 

Piss off with that absolutist bullshit.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

I'd stay out of TLJ threads for a couple of days if I were you.

[Balahkay 626]

There are all kinds of different tastes in the world. That’s what makes it go round and round.

 

To me, TLJ is the best score of 2017.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

Was there any competition??

[The Big Man 6938]

Williams is bored with these new movies. They all sense it, why can't you?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin playing the ROTJ OST.

[The Big Man 6938]

My lord... the C&C zealots have made dat... illegal.

[Chen G. 1956]

5 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

What I find fucking infuriating is the people who feel the need to come into every thread [...and say] that there is no explanation[...other than that] they are in denial.

 

But that's a valid opinion, as well!

 

If the poll is to be believed, most people around here do think of this score as a "lesser of" among Williams Star Wars repertoire. But one comes into this thread and suddenly its the best thing since sliced bread. So I do think, take no offense, that the novelty of this score (i.e. that it just came out) has people seeing it through somewhat rose-tinted glasses or, to put it more diplomatically, that some of the appreciation (and certainly some of the dissention, as well) towards it comes from a certain lack of perspective. An unpleasant notion to hear, perhaps, but not one that is entirely without grounds.

 

And I quite like the score. Its more extrovert than The Force Awakens, which is is always good, and probably makes it a superior score, to my mind. Its treated beautifully in the film, and I really like a lot of the new thematic material. To me, there just wasn't enough of it, which is unfortunate because I wanted to love it. I did!

 

And again, we can't ever completly separate our impression of the film to our impression of the music because leitmotivic music evokes, through association, the imagery of the film. If you like that imagery popping up in your mind - you'll be more prone to like the music. Since a lot of people don't like the film (and that's not without reason, either), they would be less inclined to love the score. Its only natural.

[Brundlefly 1767]

The problem is not their opinion, it's their behaviour. Some people are constantly bashing the score and the people who like it. It gets repetitive. We know that you don't like it, guys!

[The Big Man 6938]

They're afraid if a lot of people continue to praise what they see as mediocrity, then more mediocrity will follow.

[crumbs 8168]

9 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said:

The people defending TLJ and attacking others who don't like it just can't accept the possibility that Williams may have truly delivered a poor SW score, or they're in denial. TFA was far from perfect, but it was a pretty solid dose of that good old Williams drug soup. TLJ isn't Justice League disappointing, but it's a damn mediocre score.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[mstrox 3924]

Williams delivered a poor Star Wars score 12.5 years ago!  TLJ is pretty good, but a little repetitious re: TFA.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

TFA was loaded with highlights. There's nothing in TLJ I even care to revisit. I don't want to feel this way, guys. 2017 was just another bad year for film music despite two new JW scores and an Elfman DC comics score. Thank God for the expanded reissues of classic scores.

[Nick Parker 2841]

Sadly the debate is not over.

[mstrox 3924]

It should be - the fact that it's always a debate instead of a mutually accepted difference of opinions is so draining to me.

[Nick Parker 2841]

JWFan...promised us peace!

[Chen G. 1956]

3 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said:

TFA was loaded with highlights. There's nothing in TLJ I even care to revisit.

 

To be fair I do like The Last Jedi more for one simple reason: Its a more extrovert, "big" sounding score which, in a Star Wars score, is what its all about.

 

Its also much better mixed in the movie, which is very important, as well.

[gkgyver 1562]

7 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

The problem is not their opinion, it's their behaviour. Some people are constantly bashing the score and the people who like it. It gets repetitive. We know that you don't like it, guys!

 

Wrong, it's the people who love the score and who subjectively perceive criticism against it as an act of aggression - against the score and weirdly enough themselves - that act all offended and whiny with a "oh yeah, you too" attitude.

There's an unwritten rule among the longtime JW nerds on here, that criticism resulting in you not liking a JW score isn't allowed, and therefore it's dismissed as "bashing" or "trolling", when in fact, there are way too much easily triggered JW fans on the offense here.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5979]

People bashed TFA and it never bothered me.

 

TLJ is like a bonus disc of filler music from TFA that wasn't good enough for the album.

 

1 hour ago, Nick Parker said:

JWFan...promised us peace!

 

When my new expanded Titanic set arrives, it will...take care of you.

[Balahkay 626]

6 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said:

People bashed TFA and it never bothered me.

 

TLJ is like a bonus disc of filler music from TFA that wasn't good enough for the album.

 

 

When my new expanded Titanic set arrives, it will...take care of you.

 

 

No, TLJ is what TFA should have been.  

[filmmusic 784]

13 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

The problem is not their opinion, it's their behaviour. Some people are constantly bashing the score and the people who like it. It gets repetitive. We know that you don't like it, guys!

what about the people that bash others for not liking the score?

It goes both ways you know ..

 

the problem is when anyone bashes anyone for their opinion, whatever that may be!

6 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said:

People bashed TFA and it never bothered me.

 

 

People have bashed E.T. and it never bothered me too although I think it's the best score ever written.

 

When someone takes an opinion about a score personally (like he wrote it) , then I say there is a problem...

[The Big Man 6938]

I've experienced extensive attacks over the years for my views - mainly because some people get pissy at me because I refuse to fill my posts with the phrase "in my opinion" or "IMHO" like a bunch of sycophantic disclaimer stickers. I've always hated it when people precede their point with that phrase more than once because it almost looks like they're pre-emptively apologising for their view to avoid backlash. And readers who demand its presence have a profound deficiency in reading comprehension as they lack the ability to recognise its redundancy, especially when overused.

[Not Mr. Big 2794]

6 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said:

I've experienced extensive attacks over the years for my views - mainly because some people get pissy at me because I refuse to fill my posts with the phrase "in my opinion" or "IMHO" like a bunch of disclaimer stickers. I've always hated it when people precede their point with that phrase more than once because it almost looks like they're pre-emptively apologising for their view to avoid backlash. And readers who demand its presence have a profound deficiency in reading comprehension as they lack the ability to recognise its redundancy, especially when overused.

Yeah, but that's like your opinion man

[filmmusic 784]

7 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Yeah, but that's like your opinion man

First of all, she's a woman!