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THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)


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40 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Sounds like the Spider Man 2 Pizza theme, nice!

No spoilers thread!  I want to be surprised by Spider Man and Pizza.  

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In my recent revisit to these sequel trilogy scores, TLJ was the one that frustrated me the most. Bright mastering, and repetitive orchestral meandering that drags out for a whopping 77 minutes?! I felt like I wanted to shut it off and take breaks, but then I knew I'd never finish it, so I forced myself to the finish line.

 

What annoyed me the most was the shortage of variety – the prequel OSTs featured a wide variety of musical style and moods that kept me engaged, and made their albums seem shorter. But TLJ slogs about until the last act – it doesn't really pick up until The Battle of Crait, and then it's pretty fine from there. The casino music earlier on is the only welcome break from the monotony.

 

I feel what could help this album is a good culling. I reckon there's a solid 40 minute presentation buried under this mass of excess. Maybe even shorter, I dunno. But these scores can sometimes overstay their welcome.

 

I'll get around to re-listening to TROS soon. I haven't heard it since 2020, but I remember enjoying it more because I liked that title theme that evoked David Arnold. We'll see.

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10 hours ago, ragoz350 said:

Moreover, I only did a mockup of the first half of that part. The most intriguing thing here is Rose's alternate B-theme, which JW later abandoned. Also he tried to continue the 'Luke in Exile' theme (at 1:57). 

(The second "unmockuped" half is based on 1M6 We Can Do This, but contains original snippets as well. Alas, I'm not sure I'll take on this half...)

 

Thanks for that. Interestingly the second part of Rose's Theme make the whole theme sound like something from Home Alone 1 and 2.

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Wow, I had no idea JW was tooling around with a b-part to Rose's theme. From the mockup, I'm glad he abandoned it, but super interesting nonetheless.

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4 hours ago, Unlucky Bastard said:

In my recent revisit to these sequel trilogy scores, TLJ was the one that frustrated me the most. Bright mastering, and repetitive orchestral meandering that drags out for a whopping 77 minutes?! I felt like I wanted to shut it off and take breaks, but then I knew I'd never finish it, so I forced myself to the finish line.

 

What annoyed me the most was the shortage of variety – the prequel OSTs featured a wide variety of musical style and moods that kept me engaged, and made their albums seem shorter. But TLJ slogs about until the last act – it doesn't really pick up until The Battle of Crait, and then it's pretty fine from there. The casino music earlier on is the only welcome break from the monotony.

I agree that this is my least favourite of the sequel trilogy scores. I guess in some of the “less interesting” underscore cues, Johnny was trying to match the level of dullness, confusion and lack of direction depicted on-screen.

 

The biggest misstep of this score IMO (and maybe the only one out of the whole Skywalker saga) was the decision to give Rose a proper theme. She does not deserve one in terms of her role in the story and the sweetness of the music doesn’t really match her characterisation (which is 1-dimensional and lame in the film). The fact that she’s not even in Episode 9 and Johnny isn’t able to reprise it makes its outing here feel pointless (just like the film in that regard). 

 

However, I disagree that the album is a 77-minute snooze fest. The opening Escape cue is fantastic (IMO demonstrating more intricate and better-paced action writing than any cues in TFA), and I really like Luke’s Island theme. Additionally, the variations on Rey’s Theme, Kylo Ren and March of the Resistance are nice to hear as well. 
 

And this one has the best recording and clarity of sound (without harshness) of all three sequel scores.

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5 hours ago, Trope said:

The opening Escape cue is fantastic (IMO demonstrating more intricate and better-paced action writing than any cues in TFA)

I agree. But not in the stripped down form of the OST. There is too much just Kylo Ren's Theme and March of the Resistance.

But the FYC version is marvellous and one of my favourite JW action pieces ever.

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My frist impression of this was very good (score, not film) and the album mostly flew by. Same goes for the other two.

 

The problem came on repeat listens where I was finding some revisitable highlights but also a lot of parts that weren't doing so much for me in context of the full album. My playlist for all three sequels is 20 minutes each.

 

Rose's theme is nice, but heavily reminiscent of another theme that's not coming to mind right now. Standalone it's fine but hardly a classic within the Williams pantheon.

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11 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

 

 

Rose's theme is nice, but heavily reminiscent of another theme that's not coming to mind right now.

 

Anakin´s Theme

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For me TLJ is the best film and score of the sequel trilogy. The opening escape music is more interesting than anything in TROS. 

I liked the B part of Rose´s Theme, I would have been very happy to hear that in the end credits.
 

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Rose's B Theme should've been a thing.  As it is, it's just a wee bit simple.  The B Theme's playfulness could've come in handy during the Fathier chase, which could've used some more teeth, tension, and some gritty chugging scherzo strings.

 

Luke's Island theme is terrific.  Just criminally underused, and could've been expanded upon.

 

The OST should've been arranged to include the Holdo maneuver as a scoring setpiece, a major moment from the film, and an exciting motif, again underused.

 

My problem with this score is leaning too much on the Force Theme.  It gets boring after a while.

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Andy said:

My problem with this score is leaning too much on the Force Theme.  It gets boring after a while.

 

That's my main pet peeve as well, especially after he was more judicious about it in The Force Awakens. 

 

And I do agree it's the least sonically distinct of the 9, it's mostly very comfortable just "doing Star Wars" and it does feel like it falls back not just on old melodies but old arrangements too often. 

 

The highlights kick ass and I think it actually has a stronger presence in the movie than TFA, but there's something relatively generic about TLJ. Like there's always been something about it to me where it doesn't totally sink in that he wrote an entire score, there's not as much of a musical vision there. Meanwhile I think Rise of Skywalker is a worse movie and the score is a little useless in it, but it has a more specific flavor throughout. 

 

2 hours ago, Stark said:

It’s not likely what was being referred to, but Rose’s theme is directly lifted from Yoshi’s Wooly World (surely by coincidence):

 

 

 

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Rose's Theme reminded me immediately of Silvestri's theme from Back to the Future. It has kind of the same structure with the initial phrase that gets repeated with a very similar transition. It is kind of like the romantic version of the Back to the Future theme.

 

In the end credits of TLJ exactly when you think, now it's time for a b-phrase Princess Leia's Theme kicks in. Anyway, I would have prefered the b-phrase instead of the Here They Come repetition in the end credits. There would have been room enough for Leia's Theme in other places of the end credits.

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I suddenly remembered the one I noticed immediately on hearing Rose's theme. Williams does take his theme in a different direction for the ending, but the basic melody is the same. As suggested above it's a simple theme for Williams, and suits JNH's stylings a bit more.

 

It's one of two themes where I felt Williams' usual knack for long-lined original themes was lacking - the other being Across the Stars.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Rose's Theme reminded me immediately of Silvestri's theme from Back to the Future. It has kind of the same structure with the initial phrase that gets repeated with a very similar transition. It is kind of like the romantic version of the Back to the Future theme.

 

I can sort of hear that actually! It's got that similar sort of structure of rapid up and down. In that context, Silvestri's theme is way better in context.

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44 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Silvestri's theme is way better in context.

That's right. I would call Rose's Theme the weakest emotional theme in whole Williams' Star Wars canon. In The Rebellion Is Reborn it gets kind of saved by the Island theme and in the end credits by Leia's Theme.

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Is the Luke Island theme an intentional variation on the Into the Trap motif from Return of the Jedi?  Seems like the same notes just arranged differently. 

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4 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

Last Jedi is still an easy 5/5 score for me, though. Few Williams score are so imbued with that level of moodiness and desperation. I’d put it a step behind TFA, weaker thematic core but among the strongest narratives of any SW score.

The action music in TLJ is the best in the trilogy. I wished Williams had wowen some emotional Last Jedi Theme out of The Jedi Steps and put that instead of this permanent overuse of the Force Theme.

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I have to agree, the action music in TLJ is top-tier.

 

Was the in-concert score for TLJ ever leaked? Or is it only the complete score that most people seem to have

(looking for 9m83 More Fight) :)

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On 28/05/2024 at 2:19 AM, Unlucky Bastard said:

In my recent revisit to these sequel trilogy scores, TLJ was the one that frustrated me the most. Bright mastering, and repetitive orchestral meandering that drags out for a whopping 77 minutes?! I felt like I wanted to shut it off and take breaks, but then I knew I'd never finish it, so I forced myself to the finish line.

 

What annoyed me the most was the shortage of variety – the prequel OSTs featured a wide variety of musical style and moods that kept me engaged, and made their albums seem shorter. But TLJ slogs about until the last act – it doesn't really pick up until The Battle of Crait, and then it's pretty fine from there. The casino music earlier on is the only welcome break from the monotony.

 

I feel what could help this album is a good culling. I reckon there's a solid 40 minute presentation buried under this mass of excess. Maybe even shorter, I dunno. But these scores can sometimes overstay their welcome.

 

I'll get around to re-listening to TROS soon. I haven't heard it since 2020, but I remember enjoying it more because I liked that title theme that evoked David Arnold. We'll see.

 

Williams is really masterful at expertly crafting music that doesn't say a lot. And in the last ten years or so, it's always in those movies that require two hours of nonstop Hollywood scoring, which is a strain at his age.

 

The more years pass, the less appealing did his regular underscore become.

 

Rise Of Skywalker is the most accessible and pleasant Soundtrack to listen to out of the sequels because it focuses more on streamlined thematic music. However, it's the score with the largest discrepancy between disjointed underscore and great thematic exposition.

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2 hours ago, Jofi_ said:

Was the in-concert score for TLJ ever leaked?

Not that I'm aware of, but the isolated score did, which would be the same thing, so that's out there if you know where to look 

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6 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said:

Not that I'm aware of, but the isolated score did, which would be the same thing, so that's out there if you know where to look 

I have that, its just missing a few cues such as 9m83 which would definitely be in the ltp score.

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1 hour ago, Jofi_ said:

I have that, its just missing a few cues such as 9m83 which would definitely be in the ltp score.

Sorry wasn't aware that it was missing cues, you don't happen to recall the others that were left out?

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3 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said:

Sorry wasn't aware that it was missing cues, you don't happen to recall the others that were left out?

I believe Jofi is referring to sheet score, not audio, but I could be mistaken.

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16 hours ago, The Great Gonzales said:

I believe Jofi is referring to sheet score, not audio, but I could be mistaken.

yeah i was

 

I was just wondering if the ltp score has been leaked

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