The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album

Jay · December 14, 2017

Star Wars: The Last Jedi - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album

01 Escape (7:41)
02 Ahch-To Island (2:31)
03 The Supremacy (2:00)
04 Admiral Holdo (1:02)
05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03)
06 Connection (1:58)
07 Lesson One (1:59)
08 Canto Bight (2:15)
09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07)
10 The Fathiers (2:20)
11 The Cave (2:02)
12 Rey's Journey (1:35)
13 A New Alliance (5:28)
14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17)
15 Chrome Dome (2:03)
16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00)
17 The Spark (4:20)
18 The Last Jedi (5:02)
19 Old Friends (1:23)
20 Finale (9:01)

TOTAL TIME - 1:06:07

F.A.Q.:

FYC? What's that stand for?

For Your Consideration. Basically, Disney setup a website where eligible voters for the various awards that are given out around the end of the year could learn where they could attend a screening of their films, see which awards the films were pushing for, and listen to selections of the score for Best Score nominations. For the films that had score selections, they are exactly what is heard in the film, and sometimes include music not on the commercial soundtrack albums!

So the music here is different than the album?

Yes! Some tracks are almost the same, but the structure of the FYC program is fundamentally different; It is a selection of music from the movie exactly as it appears in the final cut of the film, even if the music used in the film was edited from Williams' original intentions. This could mean that a track might contain an Insert Williams later wrote, where the OST presented his original version; or a track might contain less music than its OST counterpart of the scene was re-edited after the recording of the music, or even a track might contain some music artificially looped or stretched if a scene got lengethened after scoring. The FYC always reflects these non-intended conforms to final picture from start to finish.

Also, the FYC presentation seems to favor cues featuring original music over ones featuring a lot of returning themes, for the most part.

So does the FYC contain the complete score?

No; The film has somewhere around 150 minutes of music in it. The FYC is only 66 minutes long.

Which tracks contain music that wasn't on the OST?

Every track is different from its OST counterpart is some way, but most notably "Admiral Holdo", "The Master Codebreaker", "Rey's Journey", and "Holdo's Resolve" are COMPLETELY new tracks, while "A New Alliance" and "The Last Jedi" feature significant music in the beginning of each track that isn't on the OST.

Where can I find this FYC?

http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi/score

I don't see a download link there; How do I download the files from Disney's site?

http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/01_ESCAPE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/02_AHCH-TO_ISLAND.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/03_THE_SUPREMACY.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/04_ADMIRAL_HOLDO.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/05_FUN_WITH_FINN_AND_ROSE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/06_CONNECTION.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/07_LESSON_ONE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/08_CANTO_BIGHT.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/09_THE_MASTER_CODEBREAKER.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/10_THE_FATHIERS.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/11_THE_CAVE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/12_REYS_JOURNEY.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/13_A_NEW_ALLIANCE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/14_HOLDOS_RESOLVE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/15_CHROME_DOME.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/16_THE_BATTLE_OF_CRAIT.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/17_THE_SPARK.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/18_THE_LAST_JEDI.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/19_OLD_FRIENDS.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/media/audio/sw/score/20_FINALE.mp3

or

http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=01_ESCAPE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=02_AHCH-TO_ISLAND.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=03_THE_SUPREMACY.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=04_ADMIRAL_HOLDO.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=05_FUN_WITH_FINN_AND_ROSE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=06_CONNECTION.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=07_LESSON_ONE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=08_CANTO_BIGHT.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=09_THE_MASTER_CODEBREAKER.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=10_THE_FATHIERS.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=11_THE_CAVE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=12_REYS_JOURNEY.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=13_A_NEW_ALLIANCE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=14_HOLDOS_RESOLVE.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=15_CHROME_DOME.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=16_THE_BATTLE_OF_CRAIT.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=17_THE_SPARK.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=18_THE_LAST_JEDI.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=19_OLD_FRIENDS.mp3
http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/play.php?sub=sw&file=20_FINALE.mp3

That's a really low bitrate; Is there any chance its available uncompressed somewhere?

Disney should be mailing out pressed physical CDs with the FYC program to Academy music department voters sometime soon. Usually not long after that, they begin turning up on ebay, and not long after that, lossless rips appear online. NOTE: It is against the board's rules to ask for a lossless rip in the public forum. Use the PM System or go to other websites for that discussion! Posts asking for illegal downloads will be deleted!

Simple Comparison

FYC 01 Escape (7:41)

FYC 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31)) ≈ OST 02 [1:43-end] (2:40) Ahch-To Island

FYC 03 The Supremacy (2:00) ≈ OST 04 The Supremacy [0:08-2:00] (1:52)

FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02) = Unreleased

FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03)

[0:00-1:05] (1:05) = Unreleased
[1:05-end] (1:58) ≈ OST 05 Fun With Finn And Rose [0:25-end] (2:09)

FYC 06 Connection (1:58) ≈ OST 06 Old Friends [2:36-end] (1:52)

FYC 07 Lesson One (1:59) ≈ OST 08 Lesson One (2:10)

FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15) ≈ OST 09 Canto Bight (2:38)

FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07) = Unreleased

FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20) ≈ OST 11 The Fathiers (2:42)

FYC 11 The Cave (2:02) ≈ OST 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36] (1:36)

FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35) = Unreleased

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

[0:00-1:24] (1:24) = Unreleased
[1:24-3:19] (1:55) ≈ OST 14 A New Alliance [0:10-1:51] (1:41)
[3:19-4:00] (0:41) = Unreleased
[4:00-end] (1:28) ≈ OST 14 A New Alliance [1:51-end] (1:22)

FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17) = Unreleased

FYC 15 Chrome Dome (2:03) ≈ OST 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03)

FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00)

FYC 17 The Spark (4:20)

[0:00-0:46] (0:46) = Unreleased
[0:46-end] (3:34) ≈ OST 17 The Spark (3:36)

FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02)

[0:00-1:15] (1:15) = Unreleased
[1:15-end] (3:47) ≈ OST 18 The Last Jedi (3:04)

FYC 19 Old Friends (1:23) ≈ OST 19 Peace and Purpose [1:44-end] (1:22)

FYC 20 Finale (9:01)

Approx amount of unreleased music =

Track-by-track breakdown / editing guide

FYC 01 Escape (7:41)

FYC 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31)

OST equivalent: 02 Ahch-To Island [1:43-end] (2:40)

This is the music for Rey asking Luke for help, and then following him on his "daily routine". The FYC features the proper clean opening as heard in the film, while on the OST, the beginning of the cue is slightly abridged, and mixed over the ending of the previous Ahch-To cue that's in the same track. However, the OST features a section of music (3:22-3:27) that is edited out of the FYC track at 1:40, meaning the film was probably slightly shortened after scoring around that area. So, to create a proper complete version, you'd want to take the cleaning opening of the FYC track, then segue over to the OST track as soon as you can and continue with the OST track all the way to the end.

FYC 03 The Supremacy (2:00)

OST equivalent: 04 The Supremacy [0:08-2:00] (1:52)

This is The Supermacy showing up and Leia realizing they were tracked through lightspeed, and Kylo firing on their ship. The FYC from 0:25-0:30 is longer than the same OST passage (0:35-0:36), though I don't know of the OST is microedited, or if the OST is how it was recorded and they had to artificially stretch it for the final film. The FYC has a small edit around 1:14, and the OST has a small edit around 1:18 (or, the OST is the proper recording, and the FYC Is looped in that area). Finally, the FYC seems to have a loop 1:39-1:43, but then omit material around 1:53. The FYC track seems to artificially fade the final string sustain down early, but the OST segues to another cue when it ends, so we don't have a good ending anywhere.

For a custom edit, I'd ignore this FYC track entirely and just use the whole Supremacy OST track.

FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

This is Admiral Holdo being introduced as the new leader, and her initial speech to the Resistance.

FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03)

OST equivalent: 05 Fun With Finn And Rose [0:25-end] (2:09)

The OST from 0:00-0:25 contains the cue for Rose telling Finn about her sister, then realizing he's trying to escape and stuns him (it only contains the Paige story portion of the cue, though). This cue isn't on the FYC at all, so you'd need to break it out into its own track if you want to keep it (you can call it "You Are a Hero" or "That's a Real Hero". I wouldn't call it "Finn Meets Rose" though, because THAT cue comes before this one and isn't on the FYC or the OST at all).

In the film, that cue segues immediately to the next cue, which covers which covers Finn and Rose coming up with their plan and telling it to Poe. This cue appears in full on the FYC track, while the OST version omits the opening minute due to it seguing from partway through the sister story cue to partway through the planning cue.

So, Option 1 is to break out OST 0:00-0:25 into its own track, and then use FYC 05 for the next cue in its own track. Option 2 would be If you don't want to do WAV editing, then its a a personal preference if you rather use the OST track (Paige story opening -> incomplete planning cue) or the FYC track (no Paige story at all, but complete planning cue).

FYC 06 Connection (1:58)

OST equivalent: 06 Old Friends [2:36-end] (1:52)

This cue covers Ren and Rey's Force connection ending because Luke has shown up, and then him taking her to their first lesson up the cliffside. The FYC provides the full proper clean opening, while the OST omits the opening 4 seconds and is segued from another cue in the same track. Otherwise they are basically the same, but the FYC might be slightly edited down in one spot, so I'd transition from the FYC's clean opening to the OST track as early as possible then just use that from there to the end.

FYC 07 Lesson One (1:59)

OST equivalent: 07 Lesson One (2:10)

This is the music for Rose feeling The Force under Luke's training, then sensing the dark place underneath the island. The FYC and OST tracks are pretty much identical to each other, though the FYC seems to have a few edits and a loop around 1:31, so I'd ignore the FYC track and just use the OST track.

FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15)

OST equivalent: 08 Canto Bight (2:38)

Both tracks are roughly identical, though the FYC seems to be edited down in a bunch of spots, and fades out early instead of having the proper ending the OST track has. However, one spot on the FYC includes an intended silence that is segued past in the OST version - compare 1:11 on the FYC to 1:22 on the OST. An ideal edit would be the entire OST track, but with that section restored properly from the FYC track.

FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

Rose tells Finn about growing up with Paige in a mining system the First Order took over, and how the rich people in this casino are profiting from the war, before they are interrupted by BB-8 and head into the casino to see the master codebreaker at a table.

FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20)

OST equivalent: 11 The Fathiers (2:42)

This FYC track is more or less the same as the OST track, just shortened in many spots (like the sequence was tightened up after the cues were recorded). I'd recommend just ignoring the FYC track and using OST track.

Of note is that this is a rare case of the FYC NOT matching the film exactly; The Fathiers sequence in the film is comprised of 3 separate cues, and both the OST AND FYC track contain the 1st and 3rd cues only, completely omitting the second cue (a brief piano source cue). The end of the first cue and start of the third is at 0:56 of the OST track or 0:51 of the FYC track.

FYC 11 The Cave (2:02)

OST equivalent: 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36]

This covers Rey in the cave seeing multiple images of herself. The FYC seems to have a proper clean ending as recorded, but the OST correctly segues to the next cue exactly as the film does anyway, so the clean ending isn't really needed except for personal preference.

It's interesting to compare the FYC to OST. They are approximately the same music, but the FYC version is longer because of many differences throughout. In some spots it seems like the FYC might be artificially stretched / looped, while in others the FYC has material that the OST seems to have microedited out. It sounds fine though, so for a complete edit you could use the FYC track and just mix the rest of the OST track (1:36-end) over the clean ending the FYC has.

FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

Rey instructs Chewie what to tell Finn if he finds him, then hops in her escape pod and heads to The Supremacy, where Kylo meets her in the landing bay. This seems to have the proper clean opening and ending as recorded, though in the film it segues from and to other unreleased cues.

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03)

The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke, a cue that isn't on the FYC at all.

The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music from a bit later in the film, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not.

FYC 0:00-1:24 (1:24) covers Snoke dropping Rey to the ground after torturing her, taunting her that he will kill Luke after they destroy the Resistance, showing her the transporters being destroyed, and bringing her in front of Kylo. This isn't on the OST at all.
FYC 1:24-3:19 (1:55) covers Snoke telling Ren to kill Rey then taunting Rey some more; Kylo killing Snoke then Kylo and Rey beginning to fight the guards; and a bit of Poe on the transporters. This is on the OST from 0:10-1:51 (1:41), though the OST seems to edit out material at around 0:48, so the FYC seems to be the superior choice.
FYC 3:19-4:00 (0:41) covers a bit of Finn talking to DJ and some more Rey/Ren guards fighting. This isn't on the OST at all.
FYC 4:00-end (1:28) covers Rey and Ren finishing off the guards. This is on the OST from 1:51-end (1:22). There doesn't seem to be any edits in either version, which makes it easy to just use the FYC track all the way to the end.

FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

This covers some space action with the Resistance cruiser preparing to jump to lightspeed, Hux ordering his men to keep firing on the transports, Phasma ordering a more painful death for Finn and Rose, and then Holdo turning the cruiser around and ramming it into the Supremacy.

FYC 15 Chrome Dome (2:03)

OST equivalent: 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03)

This covers the aftermath of the explosion, Finn and Rose coming out of the rubble, and Finn fighting Phasma. The FYC and OST versions are about the same, though the FYC from 0:56-1:00 is a bit longer than the equivalent OST passage (0:53-0:55), the FYC has an edit that removes material at 1:09, the FYC from 1:12-1:18 is longer than the equivalent OST passage (1:15-1:19), and the FYC is longer from 1:27-1:32 compared the OST 1:28-1:30. Overall I'd say go with the OST version, because the bit in the OST the FYC skips past is actually unique material, while all the parts where the FYC is longer are basically just sustaining bits in between the action for longer.

FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00)

FYC 17 The Spark (4:20)

OST equivalent: 17 The Spark (3:36)

The opening of the FYC track (0:00-0:46) is not included on the OST track, and begins almost immediately after The Battle of Crait in the film. It covers Rose telling Finn that love is how they'll win & kissing him, and Ren telling Hux to advance on the base. The remainder of the FYC track (0:46-end [3:34]) is basically the same as the OST track, and covers Luke arriving, talking to Leia, then marching out to face the First Order. So you can just use the entire FYC track and ignore the OST track for a complete edit.

FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02)

OST equivalent: 18 The Last Jedi (3:04)

The opening of the FYC track (0:00-1:15) is an unreleased cue that covers the Resistance following the crystal critters into the caves, Rey hovering over and scanning for their location, and then both parties arriving at opposite sides of the stone-piled exit.

The rest of the FYC track is roughly the same as the OST track, and covers Kylo and Luke's final showdown. The FYC track is longer though, because the OST appears to be microedited in a few spots - there's a section microedited out of the OST at 0:15 that is intact in the FYC from 1:30-1:53, then another section microedited out of the OST at 0:22 that is intact in the FYC from 2:00-2:09, and finally compare OST 1:26-1:30 to FYC 3:14-3:22 and OST 1:45-1:48 to FYC 3:38-3:44.

So overall, I'd again recommend just using the entire FYC track and ignoring the OST track in a complete edit.

FYC 19 Old Friends (1:23)

OST equivalent: 19 Peace and Purpose [1:44-end] (1:22)

The OST track from 0:00-1:44 is portion of a cue covering Luke's death and Kylo matching into the base and finding it empty. There's a whole chunk of the cue taken out around 1:28, but unfortunately the cue isn't on the FYC at all so can't be restored using it.

The FYC track is only the next cue, covering the reunion of Rey & Chewie with Poe & everyone else on the Millennium Falcon, and Rey telling Leia Luke's death felt like it was full of Peace and Purpose (which makes it so odd they retitled the track for the FYC), and the ship taking off into hyperspace.

There's no real difference between the two versions, so again just ignore the FYC track and use the full OST track.

FYC 20 Finale (9:01)

OST equivalent: 20 Finale (8:28)

The first cue in this track (the Canto Bight kids telling their story and then being kicked outside) is microedited on the FYC around 0:0:06 (You can hear what was taken out from about 0:06-0:18 of the OST version). But then on the FYC, the cue is allowed to end in full, there's a brief pause, and the next cue begins at 0:24; On the OST however, this cue is crossfaded into the next one at 0:36. So its personal preference if you want to use the separation or the crossfade, but you have to make sure to use the OST track for the beginning of the cue because of the material taken out of the FYC/film version.

To compare the rest of either track, I found it easiest to do it as a table, I hope you don't mind:

The next cue (the sunset scene before the end credits) and then the whole beginning of the end credits up through the piano rendition of Leia's Theme is about the same on both versions. This gets us to 2:44 of the FYC or 2:56 of the OST, and then things start to differ.

Both start out the same, from 2:44-3:15 of the FYC / 2:56-3:27 of the OST but covering the same arrangement of the Luke/Rey/Island theme, but the OST has a sudden edit at 3:27 skipping over what's in the FYC from 3:15-4:05; Then both are the same again from OST 3:27-3:34 / FYC 4:05-4:13.

Simple FYC/OST Combo Playlist, no Editing Required

01 OST 01 Main Title and Escape (7:26) OR FYC 01 Escape (7:41)

02 OST 02 Ahch-To Island (4:23)

03 OST 03 Revisiting Snoke (3:29)

04 OST 04 The Supremacy (4:01)

05 FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02)

06 FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03)

07 OST 06 Old Friends (4:29)

08 OST 08 Lesson One (2:10)

09 OST 09 Canto Bight (2:38)

10 FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07)

11 OST 10 Who Are You? (3:04)

12 OST 11 The Fathiers (2:42)

13 OST 12 The Cave (3:00)

14 OST 13 The Sacred Jedi Texts (3:33)

15 FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35)

16 FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

17 FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17)

18 OST 15 "Chrome Dome" (2:03)

19 OST 16 The Battle Of Crait (6:48) OR FYC 16 The Battle Of Crait (7:00)

20 FYC 17 The Spark (4:20)

21 FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02)

22 OST 19 Peace And Purpose (03:08)

23 OST 20 Finale (8:28) OR FYC 20 Finale (9:01)

BONUS TRACK

24 OST 07 The Rebellion Is Reborn (4:00) (Concert Arrangement)

TOTAL TIME - 1:29:17 (or 1:30:17)

Longer Chronological Edit of OST + FYC, In-Track Editing Required:

Coming soon!

FYC / OST Comparison spreadsheet

Coming soon!

ALL UPDATES / CORRECTIONS WELCOME!!!

Admin note: Click here to jump right to discussion of the actual FYC Album, after all the hype talk

ACTUAL ALBUM DISCUSSION

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original Main Post ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,

The Force Awakens opened (in the US) on Friday, December 18th, 2015.

On Monday, December 21st, 2015, we discovered that Disney's Awards consideration side had added an album of score that could be streamed or download that was different than TFA's OST. Soon after, physical CDs pressed of the same music began showing up on ebay (as they had been mailed out to voting members of The Academy or other awards ceremonies) as well.

I am hopeful Disney will do the same this year for The Last Jedi. If they do not, I will close this thread. If they do, I wanted to start the thread now to contain all information about the album like we had for TFA.

I'll update this main post with all information about the FYC album if we get one!.

Holko · December 14, 2017

21 minutes ago, Jay said:

if anybody wants to say what music from the film they HOPE will be on the FYC album - WITHOUT SPOILING ANYTHING FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM YET, feel free to do so here.

I'd like the music from that scene where the guy did the thing.

Spoiler

OK, the full rendition of Poe's Theme from the beginning would be nice - actually, the entire battle cue would be nice.

The Emperor's Theme when Snoke holds Rey up is something I really want.

Both of these are non-original, we'll see what the FYC's focus will be.

After the second viewing, I'm sure I'll want more.

Jay · December 14, 2017

:up:

Jay · December 14, 2017

I just realized the FYC album will certainly open like the TFA FYC, with no main title but instead a clean opening of the first original score cue - primarily because the main title recording is from TFA!

But I think the FYC album ALSO can't include the piccolo solo from ANH like the OST does, which even though is a new recording, is old music. It will probably begin right with the action material. Hopefully, this first track will include the longer Poe's Theme that people say is edited out of the OST version.

crocodile · December 14, 2017

Didn't they record the main title?

Karol

Jay · December 14, 2017

Rian Johnson tweeted that they did, but the actual OST album contains the TFA recording - and presumably the film itself does, too.

We now think Johnson was probably talking about the end credits opening in that tweet. Who knows.

It's all being discussed in the score album music thread.

crocodile · December 14, 2017

I know. I was avoiding all those threads for a long time.

Karol

Doo_liss · December 14, 2017

3 hours ago, Jay said:

I just realized the FYC album will certainly open like the TFA FYC, with no main title but instead a clean opening of the first original score cue - primarily because the main title recording is from TFA!

But I think the FYC album ALSO can't include the piccolo solo from ANH like the OST does, which even though is a new recording, is old music. It will probably begin right with the action material. Hopefully, this first track will include the longer Poe's Theme that people say is edited out of the OST version.

The TFA FYC had old material too though. R1 only had stuff written by Williams cut out IIRC.

Jay · December 14, 2017

I know that, I'm saying a potential TLJ FYC would ABSOLUTELY have to cut out the main titles, since it was't RECORDED for TLJ. And I'm predicting it will cut out the piccolo bit, too.

#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal · December 14, 2017

Wait? It wasn't recorded for TLJ? Johnson says it was.

A. A. Ron · December 14, 2017

38 minutes ago, Jay said:

I know that, I'm saying a potential TLJ FYC would ABSOLUTELY have to cut out the main titles, since it was't RECORDED for TLJ. And I'm predicting it will cut out the piccolo bit, too.

They could stick in the new recording, if it really exists, but I'd expect them to drop it regardless of which one gets used in the film, just cause it's substantively an old piece of music.

Jay · December 14, 2017

32 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Wait? It wasn't recorded for TLJ? Johnson says it was.

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Rian Johnson tweeted that they did, but the actual OST album contains the TFA recording - and presumably the film itself does, too.

We now think Johnson was probably talking about the end credits opening in that tweet. Who knows.

It's all being discussed in the score album music thread.

Jost1 · December 14, 2017

I don't see how old themes can't be included in a FYC album considering there are plenty of scores submitted as FYC with ZERO themes, or basically just noise

Doo_liss · December 14, 2017

Because the rules.

DominicCobb · December 15, 2017

8 hours ago, RadJ said:

I don't see how old themes can't be included in a FYC album considering there are plenty of scores submitted as FYC with ZERO themes, or basically just noise

Well the TFA FYC had the entire finale on it so...

artguy360 · December 15, 2017

8 hours ago, RadJ said:

I don't see how old themes can't be included in a FYC album considering there are plenty of scores submitted as FYC with ZERO themes, or basically just noise

Old themes can, tracked music and music that is purely a new performance of an old composition with no new writing cannot.

#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal · December 15, 2017

If this gets nominated I doubt very much it will win an Oscar.

King Mark · December 15, 2017

is it 100% sure there will be an FYC.What if it's not elligible for Oscar why would they put one out in the first place?

crumbs · December 15, 2017

Just got back from the film. Probably the wrong thread but I need an immediate rant: WHY IS THE TFA RECORDING OF MAIN TITLES REPURPOSED IN TLJ? WHAT THE ACTUAL F!

King Mark · December 15, 2017

well they did the same thing in the prequels

Obi · December 15, 2017

Sure? It seems more powerful.

But it's not important.

crumbs · December 15, 2017

It is important because it doesn't match the beautiful recording of the rest of the score. It has the dry, punchy brass of TFA whereas TLJ's mix was far heavier on the strings. Anyway, one of my few immediate disappoints in an otherwise great score. I'll keep it to the relevant threads from now on.

Just finished my first film viewing and first OST listen. Unlike TFA, I've got a very clear memory of what was in the film I really hoped would be on the OST.

Spoiler

The Poe fanfare in the opening sequence, plus a lot of other cool action stuff in the opening
The Emperor's Theme as Snoke tortures Rey
The egregious microedits all across the last third of the score, notably the Snoke/Rey/Ren sequence and Phasma battle conclusion
Vice Admiral Holdo's sacrifice?? Is this included on the OST? Only listened once
I feel like some significant stuff with Rey and Luke is missing from the final few scenes. The "death" of Luke felt very different on album than it did in the film, where it was stunningly beautiful
There was a really fun cue in the casino (not the source music stuff) as Finn ran down the stairs and noticed the guy wearing the flower emblem; it sounded like a golden-age Hollywood reference and knew it wouldn't be on the OST as soon as I heard it

On an unrelated note, I'm shocked the Empire tracking of Yoda's Theme was actually a new recording and even included twice on the OST. Did not see that coming!

BloodBoal · December 15, 2017

crumbs · December 15, 2017

My gut feel is that the end credits suite is just an arrangement of existing material, which is seriously disappointing after Jedi Steps & Finale.

The film version is also definitely different from the OST version. Yoda's Theme did not appear in the end credits I saw theatrically.

King Mark · December 15, 2017

I can't recall if the film version credits has bits that are unreleased otherwise

TheUlyssesian · December 15, 2017

4 hours ago, king mark said:

is it 100% sure there will be an FYC.What if it's not elligible for Oscar why would they put one out in the first place?

Putting together an FYC is aspirational. Studios put it together in the hopes of getting an Oscar nomination. But the Academy can disqualify anyways, even if you make an FYC.

Jay · December 15, 2017

Again, For Your Consideration albums are made to push for consideration in ALL awards, not JUST the Academy Awards.

TheUlyssesian · December 15, 2017

For Music I think it is mainly Oscars and Baftas. And honestly just the Oscars. The others don't matter at all. The others have no vetting standards or anything. Arrival has nominated everywhere. Only the Academy disqualified it.

DominicCobb · December 15, 2017

But it's John Williams, though, right?

Jay · December 15, 2017

On 12/15/2017 at 12:38 PM, TheUlyssesian said:

For Music I think it is mainly Oscars and Baftas. And honestly just the Oscars. The others don't matter at all. The others have no vetting standards or anything. Arrival has nominated everywhere. Only the Academy disqualified it.

Good points.

I hope TFA gets one and I'm curious to see what's on it.

On 12/15/2017 at 12:41 PM, DominicCobb said:

But it's John Williams, though, right?

What?

DominicCobb · December 15, 2017

I just mean they would be silly not to try for the awards, even if there's a possibility it's ineligible.

Jay · December 15, 2017

Yep.

We'll probably find out Monday!

TheUlyssesian · December 15, 2017

Last year the list of eligible scores dropped on Dec 13. So the list should be out any day now!

http://variety.com/2016/film/in-contention/oscars-academy-announces-145-eligible-original-scores-1201941419/

Balahkay · December 15, 2017

There's certainly A LOT of new music. The problem is, a lot of existing themes are woven into the new music. Kind of hard to edit that stuff out but we'll see.

crumbs · December 16, 2017

Yeah I'm really perplexed about how they present this score with less reliance on existing themes. It feels like JW really wove the existing themes seamlessly throughout the entire score, so it will be hard to select cues that aren't affected by this.

I'm a little worried the FYC might be really short this time, like under an hour, to get around this problem.

Not Mr. Big · December 16, 2017

There's an hour of original material???

crumbs · December 16, 2017

Probably not even. I can't remember more than a handful of cues that don't feature existing themes.

King Mark · December 16, 2017

it won't be illegible and we won't get a FYC

Manakin Skywalker · December 16, 2017

8 minutes ago, king mark said:

it won't be illegible and we won't get a FYC

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crumbs · December 16, 2017

The eligibility factor is irrelevant to whether or not Disney produce an FYC. They're officially campaigning for the score to be considered in Best Original Score categories, so there will be an FYC.

Justanothercrow421 · December 16, 2017

When do they typically get released?

Balahkay · December 16, 2017

My guess is early next week. TFA FYC was released shortly after release if I recall correctly.

crumbs · December 16, 2017

Yeah it didn't take long for TFA.

Oh yeah, can I add the superb Rey training montage to the wishlist? The cue where she cuts that rock in half with the saber? Stunning.

The whole damn score is incredible!

KK · December 16, 2017

23 hours ago, Stefancos said:

I doubt very much it will win an Oscar.

There was never any chance that was going to happen.

filmmusic · December 16, 2017

I think there isn't going to be ANY chance that this gets nominated even.

It relies too much on previously released material (as I got from the album and i guess it's evident from the complete score too?).

Joni Wiljami · December 16, 2017

I think it should win because the score is best thing since the sliced bread!!

BloodBoal · December 16, 2017

But sliced bread never won an Oscar...

filmmusic · December 16, 2017

17 minutes ago, hornist said:

I think it should win because the score is best thing since the sliced bread!!

Please wait to listen to The Post, before you make up your mind!

Jay · December 16, 2017

5 hours ago, Justanothercrow421 said:

When do they typically get released?

5 hours ago, someonefun124 said:

My guess is early next week. TFA FYC was released shortly after release if I recall correctly.

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

Yeah it didn't take long for TFA.

Oi!

On 12/14/2017 at 11:24 AM, Jay said:

Hello,

The Force Awakens opened (in the US) on Friday, December 18th, 2015.

On Monday, December 21st, 2015, we discovered that Disney's Awards consideration side had added an album of score that could be streamed or download that was different than TFA's OST.

filmmusic · December 16, 2017

So, this Monday it is?

The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album

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