crumbs 14,310 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, tmarps said: Secondly, I don't think the score needed the added "21st century soundtrack" sounding percussion. I would agree with this. Powell's writing on this score is insanely rich, without the need for repeating percussion overlays. I'd be curious to hear the score without it, or with the percussion applied more sparingly (you become numb to it when it's smothered over every action cue). 29 minutes ago, tmarps said: Powell is not a disinteresting composer - not one of the greatest either though I'd have to disagree with your second statement. Powell's easily one of the best in the business right now, doubly so when you consider the output of his contemporaries. Bit of an indictment on the industry that we have to celebrate a composer for using woodwinds, flutes and harps, but that's where we're at. Will and Evanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 I think this notion that drums are like some kind of makeup used by composers to camoflauge weaknesses is fundamentally flawed, gross, and frankly, it feels kind of Eurocentric to me. Cerebral Cortex, MikeH, Holko and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: frankly, it feels kind of Eurocentric to me. You say this as if it were a bad thing... Fabulin and Matthias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, eitam said: You say this as if it were a bad thing... ..... Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Evanus 217 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 I remember Powell mentioning that Ron Howard suggested more percussion here and there. Doesn't really bother me though. Still a fantastic score, by two of the greatest composers alive. Smaug The Iron, Will and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Eurocentric?? Yeah, boris/vladimir/donald ftw💪💪💪 Maybe the arcument that those stupid drums are there just to hide bad music was provocative but I think bad taste is better wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, moi said: Eurocentric?? Yeah, boris/vladimir/donald ftw💪💪💪 Maybe the arcument that those stupid drums are there just to hide bad music was provocative but I think bad taste is better wording. Pasi, in a torrent of uncertainty and chaos, you are an unflinching rock of stability and constancy. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Whatever you're sensibilities are regarding Michael Giacchino, I would put him alongside Powell as torch bearer for the symphonic film score tradition in a profession where 90% is dominated by Zimmer and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Whatever you're sensibilities are regarding Michael Giacchino, I would put him alongside Powell as torch bearer for the symphonic film score tradition in a profession where 90% is dominated by Zimmer and Co. Titles with Credits for Both Zimmer and Powell I count 14 feature films in which they both have credits. I know he's been his own entity for many years now, but there's no universe in which Powell is not reasonably included in the "and Co." of "Zimmer and Co." Powell is a central figure in the legacy of Remote Control Productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 Powell is a far more interesting and talented composer than Giacchino, though crumbs, Edmilson, Remco and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Super 8 is more classy and has more heart and soul than anything Powell has written, even if its mostly JW's suburban themes. Falstaft, crumbs, Taikomochi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, moi said: Super 8 is more classy and has more heart and soul than anything Powell has written, even if its mostly JW's suburban themes. Have you listened to his third HTTYD score? Or Call of the Wild? The former, especially, is overflowing with heart and soul. Falstaft, Evanus, Cerebral Cortex and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Preferences aside, Powell at least sounds like an educated composer. Giacchino’s amateurism can’t compare. MikeH and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,436 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 Powell always was a great composer, but he also managed to improve himself since 2014 with HTTYD 2. His last 3 scores, Solo, The Hidden World and Call of the Wild, are all stunning. JW mentoring him was really great for him to evolve as a composer. To be fair with Giacchino, I do think he also managed to improve himself over the last few years. Fallen Kingdom is a more sophisticated score than the first JW, and the same for Far from Home and Homecoming. Evanus, crumbs and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Fallen kindom is a more sophisticated score than the first JW?? Anyway. At least Gia does not use that much generic drum... eh percussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,353 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, moi said: Fallen kindom is a more sophisticated score than the first JW?? Easily, yes. To be clear, we're comparing to Giacchino's first Jurassic World score, not comparing to JW's first Jurassic Park score. Edmilson, Smaug The Iron and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Oh never noticed the same initials! 😜😜😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 It's a common mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Powell always was a great composer, but he also managed to improve himself since 2014 with HTTYD 2. His last 3 scores, Solo, The Hidden World and Call of the Wild, are all stunning. JW mentoring him was really great for him to evolve as a composer. In my very personal opinion, Ferdinand is his best score of the last 10 years (and therefore his best score, period). It might not be as grandly symphonic as the Dragons or echoing Williams like Solo, but in terms of eclecticism, fun, and telling a tenderly emotional narrative, that OST is just a perfect start to finish listen for me. I never did talk quite as much as I wanted to about Ferdinand, I get overwhelmed on how to approach it, but you can find something of my feelings on it here: and here and here Will and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, moi said: Fallen kindom is a more sophisticated score than the first JW?? Anyway. At least Gia does not use that much generic drum... eh percussion. Yes, he uses generic violins, oboes, pianos, harps, French horns, ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,286 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 Ferdinand definitely belongs in the discussion. I wouldn't credit Williams much with Powell's recent developments as a composer...I don't think there's any evidence for that. I feel like if anything the bigger influence would be the Star Wars score study he mentioned doing for Solo. He said it was "devastating him hard" reading that music so closely I think the fact that Powell started doing fewer movies may be one reason his music has gotten seemingly richer in recent years. It seems that he's also become more philosophical about the kinds of movies he chooses to do, giving his music a stronger point of view. For a long time he always struck me as a supreme work-for-hire talent but he's become more interesting lately, it feels like there's more authorship going on. Also the more heartbreaking side of it which can be tasteless to speculate too much, but he did lose his wife to cancer in 2016. It's been noted here before that Williams lost Barbara Ruick in 1974, just before he began a remarkable creative period. Coincidence, maybe. Arpy, Taikomochi, Will and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: Also the more heartbreaking side of it which can be tasteless to speculate too much, but he did lose his wife to cancer in 2016. It's been noted here before that Williams lost Barbara Ruick in 1974, just before he began a remarkable creative period. Coincidence, maybe. We do know that the two men did bond over their experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Oh is that true? I hadn't heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, mrbellamy said: Oh is that true? I hadn't heard that. I seem to remember an interview with Powell where he talked about that. But then again, I also remember a video where Williams played Long Goodbye for Rian Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Me neither. So the fact that both men lost spouses has helped them become friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Even if for some reason there wasn't official confirmation of this, it's hard to imagine the subject not coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Guess it depends on how much downtime those guys had. It's nice to think they'd go to dinner or whatever after recording/spotting. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I seem to remember an interview with Powell where he talked about that. But then again, I also remember a video where Williams played Long Goodbye for Rian Johnson. There is one crumbs and Nick Parker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 WHERE IS THE VIDEO WHERE IS THE VIDEO crumbs, Not Mr. Big, Nick Parker and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 In Rian Johnson's iCloud account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, crumbs said: In Rian Johnson's iCloud account. Let’s all tweet him until he releases it. He responds well to Twitter campaigns I hear. Remco and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Quote On that day that John sat down and played “The Long Goodbye” piano piece, Rian was so excited that he pulled out his iPhone and filmed the whole thing. John said, “Only for you, Rian, do I do this.” It was a very special moment. I can't believe nobody here ripped the video off Twitter! Are we JWFans, or are we JWFans??? I checked my archives, and incomplete, they were. For TLJ I only have the 360 video and the score featurette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Smeltington said: I can't believe nobody here ripped the video off Twitter! Are we JWFans, or are we JWFans??? I checked my archives, and incomplete, they were. For TLJ I only have the 360 video and the score featurette. It was all a dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 You used to read Jurassic Shark magazine? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Solo: A Star Wars Story Pasi: A Hornist Story I found on YouTube wonderful piece of music by John Fucking Williams, he had made few themes for the SW spin-off movie. Solo. Oh God I loved the first track, Adventures of Han, such a powerful youthful theme and it was and brilliantly structured, I didnt like the false ending but a brilliat piece for the brilliant decade. And then came the second track Meet Han My wife said she had never seen me more angry, more upset. This mediocre drum stuff for the SW universe, NOOOO She didn't like it either. Hope the next tracks are better, we had to stop it there. Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Lol so you've been crapping on Powell all this time when you only listened to "Meet Han," typical hornist! I honestly doubt you'd care for the soundtrack as a whole since plenty of it is unorthodox even within a mostly traditional orchestral structure, but "Meet Han" isn't really an example of why people here love what Powell did. I think your stubbornness would have reached new bounds if you can't even respect "Mine Mission" and "Lando's Closet" at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/12/2020 at 12:04 PM, Nick Parker said: I think this notion that drums are like some kind of makeup used by composers to camoflauge weaknesses is fundamentally flawed, gross, and frankly, it feels kind of Eurocentric to me. it depends what kind of drums. I don't mean the ones Williams uses in cues like The Werewolf Scene of the beginning of Buckbeaks Flight, but I know cheap sounding drums when I hear them and the ones in Solo sound cheap to me. Like the ones in Horner's Avatar. And in Goldsmith's Hoosiers, they are so overwhelming they ruin the entire music. I guess I don't like drums when they have a sort of disco-ish, pop music rhythm going on. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, King Mark said: it depends what kind of drums. I don't mean the ones Williams uses in cues like The Werewolf Scene of the beginning of Buckbeaks Flight, but I know cheap sounding drums when I hear them and the ones in Solo sound cheap to me. Like the ones in Horner's Avatar. And in Goldsmith's Hoosiers, they are so overwhelming they ruin the entire music. I guess I don't like drums when they have a sort of disco-ish, pop music rhythm going on. This exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, King Mark said: it depends what kind of drums. I don't mean the ones Williams uses in cues like The Werewolf Scene of the beginning of Buckbeaks Flight, So basically any drums not conventionally in or adopted into the orchestral palette. Trust me, I knew exactly what all y'all were referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:07 AM, crumbs said: Not sure if this nugget of information is previously known (it's news to me). In this recent podcast, Powell confirms that all the cues John sketched & orchestrated for Solo were recorded in LA. It wasn't just the concert suite which got recorded: That is awesome; really cool! On 5/3/2020 at 4:22 PM, King Mark said: Seems the more we learn (JW's demos with several themes), the more it's likely Williams presence in this score is more imprinted than we think I never doubted that, especially since John Williams was involved with Solo from the start, and John Powell was asked to compose and adapt the score, which he accepted simply because he was informed that the Maestro was involved. This was an amazing and outstanding collaboration between two composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Nick Parker said: So basically any drums not conventionally in or adopted into the orchestral palette. Trust me, I knew exactly what all y'all were referring to. Funny, since they are the same drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2020 A year from now, the accepted wisdom at JWFan will be that Williams really wrote 90% of the score himself and Powell just came in after to overdub disco drums. Cerebral Cortex, tmarps, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Williams really wrote 90% of the score himself and Powell just came in after to overdub disco drums. Yes, this was my feeling as well. Nice to know others feel the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 . tmarps and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 20 hours ago, moi said: Solo: A Star Wars Story Pasi: A Hornist Story I found on YouTube wonderful piece of music by John Fucking Williams, he had made few themes for the SW spin-off movie. Solo. Oh God I loved the first track, Adventures of Han, such a powerful youthful theme and it was and brilliantly structured, I didnt like the false ending but a brilliat piece for the brilliant decade. And then came the second track Meet Han My wife said she had never seen me more angry, more upset. This mediocre drum stuff for the SW universe, NOOOO She didn't like it either. Hope the next tracks are better, we had to stop it there. I now see that your new moniker "moi" is not the French word for "me" but an acronym for "Man of Intellect" The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Smeltington said: Yes, this was my feeling as well. Nice to know others feel the same. The Illustrious Jerry and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I now see that your new moniker "moi" is not the French word for "me" but an acronym for "Man of Intellect" Wow!! It was finally revealed!!! And by Travolta Stu Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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