Popular Post Ludwig 1,120 Posted January 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2018 Here is my spoiler-free analysis of the new themes from The Last Jedi: http://www.filmmusicnotes.com/new-musical-themes-and-their-meaning-in-the-last-jedi/ Enjoy! Incanus, crocodile, Fancyarcher and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Wasn't there also a new theme for Holdo based on the resistance march or would you consider it too inconsequential? and more urgent here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Neat. 5 hours ago, karelm said: Wasn't there also a new theme for Holdo based on the resistance march or would you consider it too inconsequential? Holdo's material is the desperation motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 hours ago, karelm said: Wasn't there also a new theme for Holdo based on the resistance march or would you consider it too inconsequential? and more urgent here: I'd say those are different themes. The first one is March of the Resistance rather than something else derived from it. The second one, as Chen pointed out, is what I'm calling (after Lehman) the Desperation theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Ahh, thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/2/2018 at 9:46 PM, Ludwig said: Here is my spoiler-free analysis of the new themes from The Last Jedi: http://www.filmmusicnotes.com/new-musical-themes-and-their-meaning-in-the-last-jedi/ Enjoy! Beautiful analysis, Ludwig. I particularly like how you described the "Luke in Exile" theme and how it relates to the form of sarabande. Now that you pointed it out, it seems very clear. Did you also get the reference to Sibelius' 2nd Symphony in this piece? Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Great analysis Ludwig as always. 1 hour ago, TownerFan said: Did you also get the reference to Sibelius' 2nd Symphony in this piece? I thought the Luke in Exile theme has a sort of Sibelian feel to it, especially the 2nd symphony indeed comes to mind. And it has been haunting me for a week now. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oskar 77 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Is this the same motif, or just coincidence? 2:22 - 2:28 1:46 - 1:52 2:30 - 2:35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Incanus said: Sibelian feel to it, especially the 2nd symphony indeed comes to mind. And it has been haunting me for a week now. Is it a specific part in the second symphony or the feel of the whole thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Luka said: Is it a specific part in the second symphony or the feel of the whole thing? One of the themes in the finale is what Williams' piece brings to mind in feel, at least to me. Luka, crocodile and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Oh I love this piece. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 8:40 AM, Oskar said: Is this the same motif, or just coincidence? 2:22 - 2:28 1:46 - 1:52 2:30 - 2:35 Not the same motif, but all three feature a motion from scale degree 5 to 6 of the minor scale, which is a traditional musical symbol of grief, turmoil, or otherwise great suffering. And interestingly, they are all associated with events on Ahch-To, specifically with the negative emotions of Luke. The first one I think occurs with Luke and Rey's first encounter and his initial refusal to help her. The second is with Luke's frantic calls to Rey when the Dark Side beckons. And the third is with their conversation about the truth between Luke and Kylo. So all three might be viewed as a musical means of portraying Luke's emotional pain, which fits in well with statements of the Force Theme on Ahch-To since most there include this kind of 5-6 minor-key motion in the theme's accompaniment, and even the Jedi Steps theme has it in the melody, giving all these the same "suffering" sort of sound. Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I thought I heard a melody in the "Canto Bight" opening appear in other sequences on Canto Bight, particularly when the police were involved. Anyone else notice this? Also, has the below been given a name yet? I've been calling it the battle motif since it occurs at least once in every First Order vs Resistance battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ludwig 1,120 Posted February 3, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2018 I would say that's a sped up version of the head of the Desperation theme. Hearing it that way nicely binds together several of the big action sequences in a subtle way that is probably more readily felt than actively heard. Incanus, Balahkay and Chen G. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 3.2.2018 at 2:39 PM, Ludwig said: I would say that's a sped up version of the head of the Desperation theme. Hearing it that way nicely binds together several of the big action sequences in a subtle way that is probably more readily felt than actively heard. Agreed. I particularly love the finale of the Main Title and Escape where strains of the Desperation coincide with the sacrifice of the Resistance bomber pilot who is Rose' sister. Balahkay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 7:39 AM, Ludwig said: I would say that's a sped up version of the head of the Desperation theme. Hearing it that way nicely binds together several of the big action sequences in a subtle way that is probably more readily felt than actively heard. What about the motif drawn from TFA's "The Bombing Run" and the unused Parade Grounds cue, "Gb Ab A Ab B"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Fal said: What about the motif drawn from TFA's "The Bombing Run" and the unused Parade Grounds cue, "Gb Ab A Ab B"? That's the one Lehman calls the First Order motif in his catalogue of Star Wars themes. Too bad the Parade Grounds music was cut - it could have had (and maybe did have) more of a presence in TFA and provided a nice emotional contrast to Kylo's pair of themes, something like how the Rebel Fanfare as basically an action theme contrasts with both the heroic theme for Luke and the sense of struggle captured by the Force theme in ANH. This First Order motif is essentially a boiled-down version of the first idea of the Force theme (same scale degrees), only now more forward driving in its rhythm and repetitive in its shape, creating a kind of "flip side" to the Force theme, one chiseled and hardened into a theme more appropriate for the aggression of villains than the struggle of heroes that the Force theme depicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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