Popular Post Bowie 46 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Discuss. John, Ludwig, crocodile and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 May he beat Zimmer's Elgar ripoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,016 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bastards, ruined his perfectly round nomination number! Now they'll have to give him 9 more so he can beat old Walt and get an even number at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 4,019 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Expected The Post instead. Interesting. Arpy and idril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 46 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: Bastards, ruined his perfectly round nomination number! Now they'll have to give him 9 more so he can beat old Walt and get an even number at the same time. With 52, though, we could rank each nominated score according to a deck of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,016 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Then we can have endless arguments and polls about which nomination is the Ace of Spades, and which one is the 2 of Hearts! crumbs and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,365 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Is it Elgar's first nomination? I think it is. Karol igger6, ocelot, Bilbo and 7 others 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,229 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It's nice to see him nominated, but I'm sorry to say that he hasn't a hope of winning. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Four nominations for TLJ ain't that bad at all! Too bad Spielberg's oscar-bait only god 2 nominations, although it did get best picture. 1 minute ago, Richard said: It's nice to see him nominated, but I'm sorry to say that he hasn't a hope of winning. Not with that attitude. Btw, are you referring to JW or Elgar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,229 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm referring to JW. As he's dead, Elgar doesn't give a shit. Either PHANTOM THREAD or THE SHAPE OF WATER will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 8,101 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Terrible choice. THE POST was far superior, and would have been a good candidate. Chewy, ocelot, Naïve Old Fart and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,229 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 As far as Oscar-bait is concerned, THE POST seemed the better choice. Hey, ho. Still, 51 nominations is not to be sniffed at. Not Mr. Big and ocelot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 The 2nd half of The Spark is alone worth the nomination. JW should write an extended concert piece based on it! James and Chewy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,365 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thor said: Terrible choice. THE POST was far superior, and would have been a good candidate. Would have lost either way. Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 At least it's good he didn't get a double nomination - then he would definitely lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Wrong film for his nomination. But sometimes they nominate scores that have a lot of mundane music instead of scores that have great music in a short amount of time. I am also sad "War for the Planet of the Apes" was not nominated. It was the best score of the year. I saw the movie twice just because I wanted to hear the score again in the film. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 629 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think TLJ is a well-deserved nomination! But, like most if not all, I was expecting a nomination for The Post. In fact, I'm surprised The Post only received two nods. Also, "Evermore" wasn't nominated for Best Song? Jurassic Shark, Taikomochi and igger6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,134 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Thor said: Terrible choice. THE POST was far superior, and would have been a good candidate. Although i don't like The Post much, yes, I'd prefer that one too! James and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I don't like the service of the postal service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Really bad choice! I prefer The Post! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,184 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 The Last Jedi is the best film score since The Force Awakens. However, since it has no shot at winning the Oscar, I put my support behind Phantom Thread, which was also excellent. Balahkay and idril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,134 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm not sure also if this is a fair nomination, since most of the material is a rehash of older music.. So, it's mostly a nomination for the non-thematic underscore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,616 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Happy JW was nominated again. Will he win this time? Don't count on it! I gave up on JW ever winning another Oscar around 2005, when he didn't win for POA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,130 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: At least it's good he didn't get a double nomination - then he would definitely lose. Wait a minute! 1978 Oscars: Actually, until pretty recently, I thought the same thing - that a double nomination meant an automatic disadvantage due to a "splitting of the vote". But then 2015 came along and I thought Desplat would lose because of noms for Grand Budapest and The Imitation Game. Well, I was wrong! I think now that Desplat won because the movie was esteemed by the academy and the score was memorable and effective. Star Wars was different. It was the rebirth of the old Hollywood score in a wildly successful film. So the music stood out both for its different style from its contemporaries and for its contribution to the film's success. And it's a highly memorable and effective score on top of that! So it's not really surprising that it won, even though it was up against Johnny's own other monumental score for Close Encounters. James and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Indeed, but now the times have changed. JW's musical style is still different from his competitors', but now I fear the academy voters look at his music more like old-fashioned instead of "fresh" as they did in 1978. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 409 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 He deserve to win! Jurassic Shark and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,634 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 I like all 5 of the nominated scores and I'm especially happy Jonny Greenwood finally got nominated, and for some really wonderful music. Desplat will probably win, not undeserved. And so glad to be here in 2018 with John Williams still rocking out on Star Wars. crumbs, James and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,538 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Indeed, but now the times have changed. JW's musical style is still different from his competitors', but now I fear the academy voters look at his music more like old-fashioned instead of "fresh" as they did in 1978. In a way, this is an advantage for him, since the Academy likes to reward old Hollywood nostalgia (see La La Land, The Artist, etc). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,746 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I was sure The Post would get nominated ahead of it. I suspect, and hope, The Shape of Water wins though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Smeltington said: In a way, this is an advantage for him, since the Academy likes to reward old Hollywood nostalgia (see La La Land, The Artist, etc). If this is an advantage for him, he should have won already in this millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,538 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Well, he's been recognized for that style a lot in the past, so it's less likely to happen again, at least in the form of an Oscar win. But it probably doesn't hurt in terms of nominations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,405 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Obi said: He deserve to win! But does the score deserve it? Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'd say it's definitely comparable in quality to the other nominees (except for Dunkirk which is mostly just sound design + EDM + Elgar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,405 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think there's a lot more running through voters' minds other than the other nominees. This being an installment in a franchise where no score past the original had merited an award, I think a lot of voters will be asking themselves: "Well, is is truly better than the previous ones, which we didn't grant an award, for it to win?" The answer, to my mind, is sadly no, it isn't. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smaug The Iron 552 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But does the score deserve it? Yes Remco, Jurassic Shark, Taikomochi and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I think there's a lot more running through voters' minds other than the other nominees. This being an installment in a franchise where no score past the original had merited an award, I think a lot of voters will be asking themselves: "Well, is is truly better than the previous ones, which we didn't grant an award, for it to win?" The answer, to my mind, is sadly no, it isn't. Well, the score is compared to the other nominees this year, not to previous scores in the same franchise. Once and ocelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,184 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I think there's a lot more running through voters' minds other than the other nominees. This being an installment in a franchise where no score past the original had merited an award, I think a lot of voters will be asking themselves: "Well, is is truly better than the previous ones, which we didn't grant an award, for it to win?" The answer, to my mind, is sadly no, it isn't. TLJ is not going to win, but you are giving the academy voters way too much credit. I’d wager the vast majority of voters are not even that literate on the history of what films in the franchise did or didn’t win best score and don’t care enough to think deeply about whether TLJ is or isn’t better. They probably just think “Williams already has Oscars and doesn’t need another.” Pieter Boelen, Balahkay, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,801 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think the sound mix in TLJ could be to JW's benefit, Oscar-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 943 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think Desplat will win because he has already won all the other awards of this season, but anyway, I'm happy that TLJ got nominated in this. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,634 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: TLJ is not going to win, but you are giving the academy voters way too much credit. I’d wager the vast majority of voters are not even that literate on the history of what films in the franchise did or didn’t win best score and don’t care enough to think deeply about whether TLJ is or isn’t better. They probably just think “Williams already has Oscars and doesn’t need another.” Exactly, I think most people just take it for granted that a Star Wars score by John Williams is gonna be quality and doesn't require a special trophy when he didn't really do anything out of the ordinary for the franchise, though most wouldn't bother arguing the nomination. Whereas the musical sequences in "Shape of Water" and "Phantom Thread" are more peculiarly engrossing and would stand out as more unique achievements to a voter glancing through the list. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,405 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: They probably just think “Williams already has Oscars and doesn’t need another.” Yeah, that's what I meant. All unless its truly outstanding of course, which I'd argue The Last Jedi decidedly isn't. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Indeed. You have to keep in mind that voters are likely voting based on 3 conditions for this category: 1) Out of respect for the film 2) Out of respect for the composer 3) The music really made an impression Star Wars fails on the first part, and Williams has secured enough wins and nominations to bypass the 2nd (hence the yearly token nomination, however deserving) and frankly the score doesn't have enough of a personality to make any real impression. So I wouldn't bet on TLJ any time soon. But congrats goes out to the maestro nonetheless! Desplat will likely win, because Shape of Water is a real crowd favourite, but I'm really hoping Greenwood bags it. It's a decent group of nominees actually, but the Greenwood is the most deserving of the lot. Chen G. and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 918 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Desplat wrote some of the best melodies of the year for The Shape of Water, so I'd be totally OK with that winning. I enjoyed that score more than any of his previously nominated scores. Williams' winning for TLJ and not for TFA would be bittersweet, but a win's a win, and he's sorely underpaid in Oscar gold for his contributions to the art form. So yeah, it'll probably be Dunkirk. Because ticktickticktickticktickticktick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,392 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: They probably just think “Williams already has Oscars and doesn’t need another.” Like they thought "Goldsmith has won one Oscar twenty years ago and Alan Menken has won his third and fourth Oscar last year. So we'll give it to ... Alan." This Has-Already-Won-Rule is just used when it seems to be wrong. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,207 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Excellent news!! I am so happy like the all other fans here!!!! what? they are not, just bullshitting Well it is amazing music for the film, I knew this will happen. Remco, Jurassic Shark, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,785 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 Congratulations to John Williams for his historic 51st Oscar nomination! Jurassic Shark, Remco, Arpy and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,207 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Good to see Williams nabbing another Nomination in his STAR WARS corpus as I was thinking he would be nominated. But I am surprised THE POST didnt garner the obligatory Oscar nod. I have neither heard the score or seen the movie so I really can't judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 416 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 TLJ over The Post...hmmmm but at this point in his career, we'll take whatever we can get. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Yay John. F the large lot of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 687 Posted January 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: I think there's a lot more running through voters' minds other than the other nominees. This being an installment in a franchise where no score past the original had merited an award, I think a lot of voters will be asking themselves: "Well, is is truly better than the previous ones, which we didn't grant an award, for it to win?" The answer, to my mind, is sadly no, it isn't. Oh come on. Is it symphonic music of a higher quality than *anything* else out there? Yes! Doesn’t matter where you rank it within the SW scores. This deserves a nomination most certainly, but I didn’t expect it. Congratulations Maestro! John, Taikomochi, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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