Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Nah it was great. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I do remember finding the film somewhat boring, but I love the score. And there are certain scenes -- e.g. the beautiful finale -- that I rewatch on YouTube a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 LOL, I wrote "TO ME" that's the same thing as IMO.... Lord, you people need a smack on the head and a joint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Anyone say joint? ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Anyone say joint? Tis the season to be legal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 John Williams winning another Oscar for whatever but not winning for Prisoner of Azkaban would be a scandal. Prisoner and Geisha were like the last hope for him winning another Oscar, as were Basic Instinct and Mulan for Goldsmith. Neither happened. Besides, is it coincidence that the huge box office success Dunkirk got so many nominations, but the flop Blade Runner 2049 did not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lewya 360 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 Alex Ross, probably the finest music critic around says Williams deserves to win: Marcus, Falstaft, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 Ross is such a vital voice. How great to see him talk about this stuff. He is an essential part of removing the nonsensical pretentions against film music that still poison some minds. Jurassic Shark, Falstaft, Lewya and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFifthBeatle 1 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 since that #$%#%#$ year when Geisha dind't win, I noticed how the academy members don't even listen the scores.... the oscar suck and lately they just give it to the guy that sounds foreign/exotic, or because of only ONE tune in ONE scene (Up!), or to the movie that is in fashion... that being said, it will obviously go to the very average score of The Shape of Water, a very bland OST considering the author Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'm wondering if Alex Ross really is Bill Ross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Lewya said: Alex Ross, probably the finest music critic around says Williams deserves to win: I do not know who this Alex Ross dude is but I agree with him, TLJ is amazing. Still underrated here. Marcus and TheFifthBeatle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 9 hours ago, TheFifthBeatle said: since that #$%#%#$ year when Geisha dind't win, I noticed how the academy members don't even listen the scores.... the oscar suck and lately they just give it to the guy that sounds foreign/exotic, or because of only ONE tune in ONE scene (Up!), or to the movie that is in fashion... that being said, it will obviously go to the very average score of The Shape of Water, a very bland OST considering the author In sharp contrast to the loyal fan, who would hand out all trophies and probably a Nobel prize, too, for every Star Wars, Home Alone or Indiana Jones sequel score. Finally, a just world. TheFifthBeatle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Too bad there's not a Nobel Price for music... not to mention film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,634 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 prizes are pointless. It seems the consensus around here is that there is no such thing as objective quality to music, only subjective reaction. So, who cares what some prize committee has a nice subjective reaction to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 To me, music prizes are about getting more attention to the kind of music that people not easily come in contact with. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 To me, it's celebrating another Oscar nomination for Williams, regardless of what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, Tom said: prizes are pointless. It seems the consensus around here is that there is no such thing as objective quality to music, only subjective reaction. So, who cares what some prize committee has a nice subjective reaction to? Of course there are objective criteria for different sets of qualities a piece music possesses (not least its place within a certain repertoire), even if people on the internet are outraged by the notion. TheFifthBeatle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Too bad there's not a Nobel Price for music... not to mention film music. True, but the Polar Music Prize has long since been the equivalent of a Nobel prize for music (Morricone was a recipient a few years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 There's indeed several prizes who claim to be the "musical equivalent" of the Nobel Price, but the Nobel Prices reach out to so many more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 23.1.2018 at 11:55 PM, king mark said: We never had a JWfan oscar win celebration If he would win that never will happen here because TLJ is so dissappointing, missed opportunity according to the wannabe(bad) composers here. Learn you lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Someone doesn't have to be a good composer to review and criticize with composure and as unaffected by personal fodness or hate as can be, another composer. Classical composers are the subject of critique all the time. But noone needs to write like Mozart to criticize Mozart. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I think it is pretty much impossible that JW will get another oscar for a Star Wars score (but would love to be proven wrong). Most acknowledge his work is substantial and masterful but feel it has already received its popular recognition. JW is really an institution at this point. Another oscar will have no impact on his career and I think that leaves a bad taste with the academy voters even thought they recognize his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,634 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, karelm said: I think it is pretty much impossible that JW will get another oscar for a Star Wars score (but would love to be proven wrong). Most acknowledge his work is substantial and masterful but feel it has already received its popular recognition. JW is really an institution at this point. Another oscar will have no impact on his career and I think that leaves a bad taste with the academy voters even thought they recognize his talents. I think this is exactly right. What has irritated me over the years is that the Oscars claim to seek to award the best performance, movie, score, etc., but of course it is nakedly obvious that other factors override such considerations. If the Academy just stated there actual criteria, I would be fine with it. Otherwise, it just amounts to old phrase "don't piss on me and claim it is raining." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 the only thing Williams has going for him is the age factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFifthBeatle 1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 yes, I don't care anymore since the example I gave, and I agree that TLJ is a little underrated...I think it's amazing and lovely 21 hours ago, publicist said: In sharp contrast to the loyal fan, who would hand out all trophies and probably a Nobel prize, too, for every Star Wars, Home Alone or Indiana Jones sequel score. Finally, a just world. hehehe ahmmm, i know that Shape of the Water will win... but I REALLY think that JW deserves it lol!!!! also, i'e noticed there is NO LOVE in here for Giacchino... but Coco was just amazing, I'm sorry but it is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 No, he doesn't. And neither does Giacchino, who relies heavily on mexican traditionals and hardly has written more than a line-up of short bridging cues. It's just that hugely successful Pixar movie. Ferdinand, while not even nominated, is a far more accomplished example of that idiom. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 hours ago, karelm said: Another oscar will have no impact on his career and I think that leaves a bad taste with the academy voters even thought they recognize his talents. Well, they did give it to Morricone a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 And? He is of Williams stature and never got one before, so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I don't think it had much impact on Morricone's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Since things in the real world seldom are as clear-cut i wager the poster meant 'in addition of having bagged 5 AA's already', which will not be lost on Academy members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,026 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Yeah, that's obviously a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 hours ago, filmmusic said: Someone doesn't have to be a good composer to review and criticize with composure and as unaffected by personal fodness or hate as can be, another composer. Classical composers are the subject of critique all the time. But noone needs to write like Mozart to criticize Mozart. Yeah, Mozart. He didn't write anything but average in his older days. And too many notes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, TheFifthBeatle said: yes, I don't care anymore since the example I gave, and I agree that TLJ is a little underrated...I think it's amazing and lovely hehehe ahmmm, i know that Shape of the Water will win... but I REALLY think that JW deserves it lol!!!! also, i'e noticed there is NO LOVE in here for Giacchino... but Coco was just amazing, I'm sorry but it is!!! On balance, it is kinda ridiculous that Gia has 2 nominations in his career. The most underrepresented of his brethren. I like his work and it is of a better quality than most of the dreck that gets nominated. Like take something like three billboards. Does that have any prayer of being nominated if it were not for a best picture favorite? Or even The Hurt Locker (which is a movie I love). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 So Carter Burwell wrote dreck and Michael Giacchino should have more Oscars. Thank god you are in no position to influence such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Read again. I did not say Gia should have more Oscars. And the dreck comment was not for Burwell specifically whose work I characterized in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: On balance, it is kinda ridiculous that Gia has 2 nominations in his career. The most underrepresented of his brethren. I like his work and it is of a better quality than most of the dreck that gets nominated. Like take something like three billboards. Does that have any prayer of being nominated if it were not for a best picture favorite? Or even The Hurt Locker (which is a movie I love). It's been many, many years since the five best scores of the year actually comprised the Best Score nominees. As you point out, nowadays they just shoehorn in nominations for whatever the favoured Best Picture nominees are, regardless of the score's quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: It's been many, many years since the five best scores of the year actually comprised the Best Score nominees. As you point out, nowadays they just shoehorn in nominations for whatever the favoured Best Picture nominees are, regardless of the score's quality. Desplat is the very definition of that. Out of his 9 nominations - 8 are for best picture nominees. And one is for an animated film nominee. Which just shows he's the ultimate coaster. He just picks his movies strategically rather than write super great scores. That's not to say he's completely useless but he's over-nominated just as Gia is under-nominated. And just nominating Desplat scores for Best Picture nominees does not capture his best or most interesting work. Taikomochi, James and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: On balance, it is kinda ridiculous that Gia has 2 nominations in his career. The most underrepresented of his brethren. I like his work and it is of a better quality than most of the dreck that gets nominated. Like take something like three billboards. Does that have any prayer of being nominated if it were not for a best picture favorite? Or even The Hurt Locker (which is a movie I love). He's already won the bloody darn thing. I'm sure he's content with that at this point in his career. 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: Desplat is the very definition of that. Out of his 9 nominations - 8 are for best picture nominees. And one is for an animated film nominee. Which just shows he's the ultimate coaster. He just picks his movies strategically rather than write super great scores. That's not to say he's completely useless but he's over-nominated just as Gia is under-nominated. And just nominating Desplat scores for Best Picture nominees does not capture his best or most interesting work. Well that's some real funny logic. Desplat has a vast filmography that ranges big blockbusters and small Oscar-bait dramas. So he's been typecast as one of the go-to guys for a certain type of drama, hardly makes him the "coaster", or "useless" for that matter. Gia, in my opinion, has received fair attention from the Academy. I agree that the nominations are often more generous with Desplat than they should be, but hey, that's the nature of awards season. Bayesian and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Gia actually has a Oscar. A fact he casually brings up every year at the Oscar party when he's chit-chatting to Thomas Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Gustavo Santaolla has more Oscars than him. Let that sink in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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