Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Name the best examples of awful movies with awesome scores. Is there even a score that you like so much that you don't want to watch the movie, as it could possibly spoil the score for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 THE SWARM: a risible, embarrassing film, with an absolutely "fuck off" score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Jaws 2 filmmusic and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Plenty of examples here -- Goldsmith's filmography alone is worth the ticket! But just last year, there were several examples of great scores for bad movies -- VICEROY'S HOUSE (Rahman), BITTER HARVEST (Wallfisch) BRIMSTONE (JXL) and THE CIRCLE (Elfman) were all in my Top 10 Score list of the year, but the films ranged from mediocre (THE CIRCLE) to really bad (the rest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 As Thor said, much of Goldsmith comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 The Last Airbender by James Newton Howard!!! So freaking good, but the movie is baaaaaad compared to the series that I loved! Not Mr. Big, Taikomochi and Matt C 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Now You See Me 2 The Hobbit trilogy Grand Piano TheUlyssesian and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Honestly, up to date, I'm not a big fan of these movies, but I love the JW's scores: Jaws 2; 1941; Midway (So boring that I never finished the movie); Hook (I only see all the #fails in this movie, and there are many); Black Sunday (The final scene is so badly technically executed that it scraps the movie entirely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 Has nobody mentioned the prequel trilogy yet? Bespin, Holko and James 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Has nobody mentioned the prequel trilogy yet? This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Yea I guess the SW prequels win, I forgot about them somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Maybe you all think they're actually good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I must admit that I'm not a big big fan of the scores too... Anyway, not the way they appear on the OST. First, I'm totally sick if hearing the concert versions of Duel of the Fates and Anakin's Theme (the worst theme JW ever wrote for a Star Wars... after all the Ewoks music, maybe), I can't stand them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 RoboCop 2, although in its defense, not as terrible as RoboCop 3 Beverly Hills Cop II Tango & Cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bespin said: Anakin's Theme (the worst theme JW ever wrote for a Star Wars... after all the Ewoks music, maybe), I can't stand them anymore. What!? It's such a great theme! It feels exactly like a child's adventure theme, and the fact that it uses almost every note that exists in the scale, plus the ending that sounds like Vader's theme... I find it just perfect. idril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Well, I never liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Has nobody mentioned the prequel trilogy yet? Specifically Attack of the Clones. Its one of the (if not the most) lesser Star Wars scores, anyway, but its still so much better than the movie it accompanies. Its one of the greatest dissonances of visuals and audio in the history of the motion picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Jokes aplenty, surperb photography by William A. Fraker, great bule-screen work, and incredible miniatures, by Greg Jein. What's not to like about 1941? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Luka said: Fair enough. Wait, are we talking about the movie that ends with a "major" variation of the Emperor's Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Twilight: New Moon by Alexnader Desplat Alice In Wonderland by Danny Elfman The Amazing Spiderman by James Horner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Lionheart First Knight The Swarm The Ghost and the Darkness Legend Rambo III I sometimes have no clue where Goldsmith gets his inspiration from. I mean, Legend at least provides great visuals, but Rambo III? So far, there are just two movies that I don't wanna watch: Star Trek: The Motion Picture Night Crossing Both are so perfect scores that catapult me into another world while listening to them, but it's not the shitty films' world but the world that the music creates on its own. 47 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea I guess the SW prequels win, I forgot about them somehow They are way better than the movies I've mentioned, but they still deserve to be in this list. The visuals are still a great source of inspiration. 1 hour ago, Jay said: The Hobbit trilogy WTF? You don't think the scores are awesome and the movies are awful, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: Wait, are we talking about the movie that ends with a "major" variation of the Emperor's Theme? That's absolutely magnificent too! Marcus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Another one that springs to mind: Supergirl. Not a teriffic score, but light-years ahead of the film it accompanies. One of the worst Hollywood films ever made. 2 hours ago, Luka said: The Last Airbender by James Newton Howard! Oh, yes. I forgot that one. 3 minutes ago, Luka said: That's absolutely magnificent too! Its a clever narrative device, but the execution is severely lacking and to this day the intention (or lack thereof) behind it remains unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Luka said: That's absolutely magnificent too! Worst JW's artistic decision ever, ex-aequo with quoting the Emperor's Theme again in TLJ. LEAVE THIS THEME ALONE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: Worst JW's artistically decision ever ex-aequo with quoting the Emperor's Theme again in TLJ. LEAVE THIS THEME ALONE!!! Ok, I see why you would think that for TLJ, unless there's something that links to him that we don't know about yet, but in TPM, Palpatine is very present! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Awesome score - awesome movie is far more rare IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luka said: Ok, I see why you would think that for TLJ, unless there's something that links to him that we don't know about yet, but in TPM, Palpatine is very present! The last thing TPM needed was a "phantom" theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Luka said: I see why you would think that for TLJ, unless there's something that links to him that we don't know about yet. If you don't know about such a link, John Williams doesn't know about it either. The man doesn't read scripts (and even if he did, there was nothing written about Episode IX when he was scoring the picture), he just shows up and sees the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: The last thing TPM needed was a "phantom" theme! Oh exactly!! I never thought of that, thank you for pointing it out; it's even the title of the movie! The Phantom Menace! (Darth Sidious). So I think it's a great move from John Williams to end with a disguised emperor's theme! Marcus and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Chen G. said: If you don't know about such a link, John Williams doesn't know about it either. The man doesn't read scripts (and even if he did, there was nothing decided on Episode IX when he was scoring the picture), he just shows up and sees the movie. No, he must have known! Why would he have done that otherwise!? And by pure chance, it fitted perfectly with what the story was heading to!? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 He's cute, he still have expectations about Episode IX! Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Awesome score - awesome movie is far more rare IMO Alien Chinatown Under Fire The Russia House L.A. Confidential The Mission Once Upon a Time in America Once Upon a Time in the West JFK Schindler's List The Prisoner of Azkaban The Empire Strikes Back Amistad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Not to mention Braveheart, Titanic, the Middle Earth films, the better Star Wars episodes, etcetra. 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: He's cute, he still have expectations about Episode IX! Expectations are one thing, but to assume that there's some master-plan behind the plotting of these episodes that we don't know about, especially when it has been proven time and again that there is none, and to assume that John "I-don't-read-scripts" Williams is in on such a plan, if ever there was one - now, that's truly "cute". Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: He's cute, he still have expectations about Episode IX! No, I have hope in JW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't think Abrams even knows what's going to ultimately happen in IX yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 So you're saying that John Williams always just played around not knowing what he was doing!? And by random chance, it happened that it all fit perfectly together and what he played with actually made a lot of sense afterward, even if he didn't know if it would!? I'm sorry, but when I see such brilliant links and hidden things in his compositions, I can't possibly think that he doesn't know about them in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Luka said: So you're saying that John Williams always just played around not knowing what he was doing!? YES! THAT, AND NOTHING BUT THAT! For the original Star Wars, Williams wrote a love theme for Luke and Leia! He didn't know better, and how could he have? George Lucas had no idea they were brother and sister, either! Williams has no clue whatsoever what's going to happen in the episode after the one he is scoring: its true of any episode of each of the three trilogies. Nor does he really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Chen G. said: For the original Star Wars, Williams wrote a love theme for Luke and Leia! What love theme!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 They didn't ultimately use it, but he did write one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: They didn't ultimately use it, but he did write one. Oh! I didn't know that! It hasn't been released anywhere though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think, that it's bullshit, the intended Love theme between Luke and Leai is indeed the Princess Leia's Theme. JW told in a recent concert that this theme is maybe too sensual as a theme for Leia's but he didn't know at the time, that Luke was his brother. I say thanks to George Luca's lie (or silence about that part)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It may well be that Williams was misremembering. The first that he mentioned it was here, and he even seems to misremember the time gap between the films, because Leia was only reimagined as Luke's sister during the scripting of Return of the Jedi, so it would have been much later than "two years" after the original Star Wars. Nonetheless, the point still stands. These films were not planned from the outset, and even if they were, I doubt if Williams would have bothered looking into such a story outline if there was one. The closest to such a planned trilogy would have been the Star Wars prequels, but even then all that was planned was the most rudimentary contuor of the plot: the finer plot points (which are what matters) were made up as he went along. And even at that point, Williams wasn't too interested with the overarching plot. If he was, we would have had an embryonic form of "Across the Stars" in The Phantom Menace - and we don't. James and Luka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: I say thanks to Luka's lie (or silence about that)! Wait, me? Or George Lucas? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Oh what a nice error I did! BTW Mercy, never quote me... Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Williams thought Luke was Rey's father (perhaps jokingly) but yeah, it seems he knows nothing. The use of the Emperor's theme could have been in the temp track or because the scene is similar to the ROTJ torture scene or both. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Exactly. Don't underestimate the power of the Temp Track. Luka and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Little Buddha 49 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Awesome score - awesome movie is far more rare IMO Only in your opinion, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, Chen G. said: It may well be that Williams was misremembering. The first that he mentioned it was here, and he even seems to misremember the time gap between the films, because Leia was only reimagined as Luke's sister during the scripting of Return of the Jedi, so it would have been much later than "two years" after the original Star Wars. Nonetheless, the point still stands. These films were not planned from the outset, and even if they were, I doubt if Williams would have bothered looking into such a story outline if there was one. The closest to such a planned trilogy would have been the Star Wars prequels, but even then all that was planned was the most rudimentary contuor of the plot: the finer plot points (which are what matters) were made up as he went along. And even at that point, Williams wasn't too interested with the overarching plot. If he was, we would have had an embryonic form of "Across the Stars" in The Phantom Menace - and we don't. I find it highly unlikely that by the release of Empire they did not know that Leia was Luke's sister. Doesn't the finale hinge on Leia using Force to track Luke (I haven't seen the film in ages so I might be completely misremembering). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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