The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Honestly I really like this arrangement. I think it makes for a lovely revisit of the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,373 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 🐻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croweyes1121 14 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Definitely would love to have an official recording of this. The Han and Leia theme has always been one of my favorites from the Star Wars films, and I always wished Williams had done a concert arrangement. So very cool to finally hear something like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 This version is absolutly amazing. I always wished we could have a concert version of this theme (I don't like he one that wasn't made by Williams), now my life is complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, Oswin Pond said: (I don't like he one that wasn't made by Williams), for the 100th time, the first one was made by Williams, it clearly says so on the Gerhardt c.d. liner notes what the fuck is wrong with everyone saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Really ? I thought he only helped a bit. He composed and conducted the whole thing ? What was the contribution from Gerhardt then ? (Haha sorry didn't find any better smiley) And no need to swear ! It's a love thread about a beautiful new arrangement JackPat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Gerheart conducted it, that is all and that arrangement is on 2 other c.d.'s so it shouldn't be only associated with the Gerheart c.d. Depending on what c.d. you have you might think Roy Budd or Nic Raine arranged it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Do we have a version of that arrangement conducted by Williams then ? I'm curious about how this sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 no, he never conducted it ( the old one) and apparently nobody recorded the new one from 2 concerts...2 concerts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Ha. Well maybe that's part of why this new version sounds so much better (IMO !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 except the you tube video is not conducted by williams, and that's what everyone wants to hear now . I can tell the you tube video is probably very inferior to a williams conducted one and i'm sure someone recorded it at San diego and didn't post it on You tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Edit Oswin Pond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 59 minutes ago, King Mark said: except the you tube video is not conducted by williams, and that's what everyone wants to hear now . I can tell the you tube video is probably very inferior to a williams conducted one Yeah probably ! I really hope we'll get a proper recording soon, but I must say this current recording is much better than I thought Quote and i'm sure someone recorded it at San diego and didn't post it on You tube Rebel scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I don't think there's room for ambiguous interpretations as to who arranged the first version of Han Solo and the Princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Oswin Pond said: Really ? I thought he only helped a bit. He composed and conducted the whole thing ? What was the contribution from Gerhardt then ? (Haha sorry didn't find any better smiley) And no need to swear ! It's a love thread about a beautiful new arrangement As King Mark has replied, there is absolutely no doubt that Han Solo and the Princess (old version) was composed by John Williams. The following post includes a list of all the concert cues from the Star Wars saga (except those included only in "Star Wars: A Musical Journey") that were undoubtedly written by John Williams: Since the Han Solo & Princess issue comes out very often, what about placing a list like that in some place that can be clearly seen by everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I don't know where the issue comes from and what was ambiguous in the first place 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 1:33 AM, Bespin said: Don't know, the ending, where it's usually end or lead to the Star Wars main theme. I watched the video only once, I'll never watch it again. I'll try to forget this version and pretend it doesn't exist. Hopefully you'll soon have to include it in your discography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 4:06 PM, someonefun124 said: If I recall correctly, it was only used when Han and Leia were together. It's used right before the end credits in TESB, to reflect that Han Solo is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I was referring to its use in ROTJ. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 17 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's used right before the end credits in TESB, to reflect that Han Solo is missing. Or rather, to reflect that the princess is missing him... Musically, its just a variation on the princess' own theme. Its music that relates to her. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I wouldn't go as far as calling Han Solo and the Princess a variation over Leia's theme. What do you think about this, @Ludwig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 You're right, I was just making a point. But it is very closely knit to her theme, nonetheless. The first statement after the opening scene just about "grows" out of Leia's theme. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeah, the two themes are often connected in their presentations, which is quite natural to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Both of them (and Marion's theme, too) have the same opening, and than they go their separate ways, but still within the same style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 All of these are definitely in the same style (together with Yoda's theme and Luke & Leia) and LT and HS&TP do indeed have stylistically similar openings, but I wouldn't say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Chen G. said: Or rather, to reflect that the princess is missing him... Musically, its just a variation on the princess' own theme. Its music that relates to her. This debate will never end, but let's at least avoid over-analysis. The following piece opens with the same interval (a major sixth) and the melody also has several similarities to the melody of "Han Solo and the Princess" (more than Leia's Theme): But of course nobody (?) would claim that JW took this as a model. The fact that Han & Princess and Leia's Theme open with the same interval does not mean that one is a variation of the other! Of course they are also in the same style, but it's because it's the same movie (and the characters, of course, are related). I surely see more differences than similarities between the two themes, musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Its very clear that, in Williams body of work from the period, the major sixth and the general style of these melodies was associated by Williams with female characters, not with space smugglers... Its not Leia's theme, but it certainly "grew" out of it. That's also what happens in the score itself. All this "Han's theme" nonesense really needs to stop. Its a fan theory, intended to ease the minds of those who take issue with the fact that Williams didn't grace Han Solo with a theme. His decision to write one for "Solo" should have been the nail in the coffin of this theory, but alas it refuses to die. I would also point to the timing of this new arrangement coinciding with Fisher's last portrayal of the character as further proof that there is no Han's theme in the Williams' scores. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Well, it's clearly a theme for both, as it says in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yes, but a lot of people try to attribute the theme specifically for Han Solo, where in fact it only applies to him as far as the love story is involved, and not as a specific character theme. I especially liked Adams phrasing of this claim: "I sort of mantain that this theme represents Han more than Leia, but at the very least its loosely related to the romance between the two characters." Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I really don't understand the debate since the romantic musical character of this theme hasn't even anything remotely to do with Han's character. Remember in ESB, he replied with "I know" to Leia's "I Love you". He didn't even say "Me too", or "I love you too". he's not the romantic type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Well, Marion isn't as delicate as her theme suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, Fal said: Well, Marion isn't as delicate as her theme suggests. But its still feminine music. Unless Han Solo is transgender, there's no reason for him to merit a clearly feminine tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I keep hoping a recording from San Diego might surface instead of this pointless debate pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 4:59 PM, pete said: Not necessarily. He might have written the new arrangement afterwards in December or in January. That's true, I guess what I meant is the end credits version would have been recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 JackPat, Fabulin and Will 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted May 29, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2018 John Williams conducted the Boston Pops in a performance of this Wednesday May 23rd and Thursday May 24th in Boston last week, and WCVB radio broadcast it online yesterday. Here is @Faleel's recording of the internet stream. Enjoy! DarthDementous, Cerebral Cortex, Ludwig and 7 others 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 what's the odd noise at 3.09/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I first thought a player had an overdramatic heart attack then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,133 Posted May 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2018 I love the sound of breath when an Orchestra plays. The breathing of the flute at the end just makes it feel raw and real. Joni Wiljami, SteveMc and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: I love the sound of breath when an Orchestra plays. The breathing of the flute at the end just makes it feel raw and real. Then you should check out Kleiber's concert performance of Beethoven's 7th symphony with the Concertgebouw Orchestra, when the flute enters in the 1st movement. Sublime! The volume is this recording is quite low, so remember to crank it up! Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 12:15 PM, The Illustrious Jerry said: I always thought Han's theme was coinciding with the Falcon theme, ya know, the one that plays when they go into hyperspace, and they escape, and Rey and Finn see it on Jakku. Isn't it also tied with that gizmotronic EDM in the Han Solo movie trailer. I don't know why everyone was tripping when JW signed on to do the theme for Solo and everyone was wondering what Solo's theme was or if it's was new. What is confusing though is that why couldn't Powell just use the theme and say that it was based off original themes by JW, like Giachino did for Rogue One. These have always been my impressions. On 2/13/2018 at 12:22 PM, Chen G. said: Its not Han's theme; and that motif isn't the Millennium Falcon theme, either! The other motif is the Rebel Fanfare. Its the motif of the rebel alliance. But Williams isn't very strict in the application of this motif, so it often ended up being used as a generally "triumphant" piece of music, and coincided with the Falcon entering and escaping the Death Star as just that - triumphant music that prefigures and eventually celebrates our heroes escape of the Death Star. Its used along those lines in the sequel trilogy thus far, because the resistance has its own melodic identification. On 2/14/2018 at 12:31 PM, The Illustrious Jerry said: Han Solo and Leia together have that theme. Han is more associated with the Falcon than he is associated with Leia. It just makes more sense to me. Besides, Han Solo and the Princess was only really in Empire and slightly in TFA. But in both of those movies it was played when they were together. Han alone, mostly in the Falcon, has the theme I mentioned earlier. Also, why would that theme be in the Solo trailer. Solo didn't care about the Rebels, and it seemed he was more preoccupied with the Imperials and then with himself. On 2/13/2018 at 12:33 PM, mstrox said: I agree with Jerry I think after Solo we can now agree that the Rebel fanfare has certainly become greatly associated with the Falcon as of late, so much so it makes it it's theme/motif in these new movies (even the old sometimes). With Solo not having any relation to the Rebellion and it's use being so consistent in Solo, I think I was right in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 The Rebel Fanfare was definitely re-imagined by Williams as a Millennium Falcon motif in the sequel trilogy. But its inappropriate to retrofitt that association upon earlier films in the series. The same happened with Ben's theme (becoming the theme of The Force), Luke's themes (becoming the "Star Wars" themes), Leia's theme (which began as a Leia and Luke love theme), Duel of the Fates (which was originally specifically for the duel with Darth Maul and became a general theme for climactic duels), as well as various none-recurring pieces that Williams went on to reprise (Throne Room, the Funeral piece, the Curoscant fanfare, TIE-Fighter attack) - so its certainly par for the course in Williams body of work. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Duel of the Fates was NOT for the duel with Darth Maul only @Chen G., it was for the entire TPM finale. hence why we hear it for the destruction of the Droid Control ship (and the unused statements for the attack on the Theed hangar and throne room). Holko and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Darth Maul has a theme and it's not DotF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 What is it about this theme that inspires countless pages of posts with JWFans debating the same shit over and over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, King Mark said: Darth Maul has a theme and it's not DotF Rah tah mah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 24 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 no official CD version ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 Not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 you should have said Maybe never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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