LaloCoyoacan 46 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Not the Slovak Orchestra Star Wars Concert Simone Pedroni, conductor Orchestra Sinfonica di Milano "Giuseppe Verdi" July 14th, 2019 Milano, Auditorium Cariplo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 hours ago, Quintus said: The video in the old OP of this says it's now set to private. Is there another link for it at all? On 30/04/2022 at 8:43 AM, Jay said: there's two embedded videos of it right on this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I just love the mini-development section (around the 2:00 min mark) in the new ASM version, it goes into a sort of Miklos Rozsa-esque territory which is unexpected and delightful. I think this, together with Cinderella and The Long Goodbye, is my favourite ASM arrangement so far. It feels like it always belonged here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Umm I prefer the 2018 recording, I like this one but maybe at this moment I'm too familiar with the 2018 version and it takes some time to appreciate ASM take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I like the arrangement, too. Even though it even moves a little more away from the original than the 2018 version. But it is a beautiful piece. In this case for me it is not either or, but I like both in their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I guess whoever runs the account “johnwilliamsplaylist” hasn't been creating John Williams playlists for very long… I can see how someone would think that the 2018 arrangement is the first original suite, considering that the actual first suite isn’t on any of the ESB OSTs, but come on, this is a rookie mistake. DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2022 He forgot to mention that JW also plays the guitar. DrTenma, Dr. Know and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 That’s in the previous post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Why do y'all think JW had revisited and revised this piece as much as he had? The original pretty much never got played in concert. Is there even an official recording of it with JW conducting? I assume he was always unhappy with it. The theme itself is lovely and used to beautiful effect in the film. The kind of condensed arrangement in the end credits is all kinds of awesome. But the original concert arrangement is a little odd, especially in how it quotes Princess Leia's theme in the middle of it. I find that quite interesting, but I believe JW removed it in all revisions. The first revision takes on a more tragic, dramatic weight. Mutter arrangement seems to double down on that sense of sadness even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I would guess he was fond of the theme, but unhappy with the original concert arrangement because it’s a relatively unimaginative arrangement. TFA and Fisher’s death gave him two reasons to revisit the theme with melancholy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 There's no doubt that the original, retracted arrangement is the superior one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's no doubt that the original, retracted arrangement is the superior one. You mean the one from the Gerhardt recording? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GerateWohl said: You mean the one from the Gerhardt recording? No. I am partial to it because I’m old and it is too. Which is your preferred arrangement (just curious)? I’m in the process of putting the three arrangements (1980, 2018, 2022) in a playlist and really giving them some attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Andy said: I am partial to it because I’m old and it is too. Which is your preferred arrangement (just curious)? I’m in the process of putting the three arrangements (1980, 2018, 2022) in a playlist and really giving them some attention. Basically, I am struggling with all the concert arrangements. My main issue with the 1980 version is that for whatever reason Williams put there in the middle of the first phrase a very unsatisfying dark chord, but really at every repetistion on the theme so that it is all the time like driving with applied handbrake. It never gets to full bloom like in the most emotional moments in the movie (finale, falcon turing back to Bespin, rescue attempt Han). The 2018 version has that towards the end, but it does not really hit the tome of the Empire score. It sounds to me rather like a prequel piece. But it is probably my prefered version because it contains the climax that I missed in the old version. The 2022 is a great piece as a variation of the 2018 piece, but it is even more far away from TESB. So none of them works for me as arepresentative elaboration of the piece from the 1980 movie. But my favourite is probably the 2018 version, which is basically a different piece containing this great theme. But the 2022 version might overtake this. It is at least so far my favourite ASM Star Wars piece. Better than Rey's Theme, Princess Leia's Theme, Yoda's Theme, Across the Stars or Luke and Leia. I would have loved an ASM arrangement of The Asteroid Field or Parade of the Ewoks, but that didn't happen. Andy and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: You mean the one from the Gerhardt recording? No. Yes, I mean that one. 10 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: driving with applied handbrake. You shouldn't do that. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: You shouldn't do that. And John Williams shouldn't as well. That is why the 1980 version is my least favourite of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I wonder if JW had a private driver, or if he drove this one himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Are you still in the metaphor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Did he arrange the piece himself? GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Basically, I am struggling with all the concert arrangements. My main issue with the 1980 version is that for whatever reason Williams put there in the middle of the first phrase a very unsatisfying dark chord, but really at every repetistion on the theme so that it is all the time like driving with applied handbrake. It never gets to full bloom like in the most emotional moments in the movie (finale, falcon turing back to Bespin, rescue attempt Han). The 2018 version has that towards the end, but it does not really hit the tome of the Empire score. It sounds to me rather like a prequel piece. But it is probably my prefered version because it contains the climax that I missed in the old version. The 2022 is a great piece as a variation of the 2018 piece, but it is even more far away from TESB. So none of them works for me as arepresentative elaboration of the piece from the 1980 movie. But my favourite is probably the 2018 version, which is basically a different piece containing this great theme. But the 2022 version might overtake this. It is at least so far my favourite ASM Star Wars piece. Better than Rey's Theme, Princess Leia's Theme, Yoda's Theme, Across the Stars or Luke and Leia. I would have loved an ASM arrangement of The Asteroid Field or Parade of the Ewoks, but that didn't happen. I hope he's still unhappy with this latest arrangement and writes a fourth one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 The 2018 version is for sure my preferred arrangement still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 13 hours ago, King Mark said: I hope he's still unhappy with this latest arrangement and writes a fourth one! He's probably forgotten about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,108 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Years ago when he did ATTACK OF THE CLONES -He mentioned in the PR interivews that he hadnt written any Love theme in the series. And this time he had written one. Han Solo and The Princess was always believed to be the quintessential love theme in the original trilogy even though it was debated that it was basically Han's theme. We first hear it in Hoth when Luke and Han are riding the Tauntuans. Recently Williams revealed that Princes Leia's theme was the 'real' romantic theme intended for Leia and Luke! He then had to compensate and do a formal Luke and Leia theme in JEDI so as to confirm that they were brother and sister. LOL. I had kinda hoped in SITH that Kenobie and Anakin would be involved with Amidala in love triangle situation. The conflict would have been the perfect catalyst for Anakins downfall. And then Williams would have had to do a whole new love theme for this triangle relationship. Crazy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Amer said: even though it was debated that it was basically Han's theme It's clearly not Han's Theme. But it is a theme for Han. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 12/05/2022 at 7:00 AM, Amer said: I had kinda hoped in SITH that Kenobie and Anakin would be involved with Amidala in love triangle situation. That sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 That sounds like a threesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,108 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Sergeant said: That sounds like a threesome! Happens in Bollywood all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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