Gurkensalat 336 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Chen G. said: That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that Williams' use of tritones to denote the unknown is a stylistic device, rather than a narrative one. Its something that future scholars will point to as part of John Williams "style". Perhaps then we can find a compromise: The first motif for the crystal skull is based on tritones which are typical for Williams to denote the unknown. OK? :-) With this I withdraw from the discussion that has changed its course dramatically, since my first reply was made to contradict the opinion, that the crystal skull Motiv is just an inverted Ark Motiv which it is not considering the intervals and harmonics. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Long delay between posts, but I meant to say: thanks for your points, everyone! After being turned on some of the complete score tracks by some of your posts here, my opinion on this score has improved! Stuff like this sounds like a natural progression from Williams, playing on his then current strengths, a more "modern" approach that captures the thrill present in the past films. Also kinda fun to hear some prototypes for some of his stuff in The Last Jedi, especially (like those shrill chord exclamations close to the end). Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Perhaps you'd be less sleepy if you drank root beer or orange juice instead of diet coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 4 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Perhaps you'd be less sleepy if you drank root beer or orange juice instead of diet coke. Root beer is tasty at the beginning but after a few glases you become so sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Root beer is tasty at the beginning but after a few glases you become so sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Indiana Jones and the Cringedom of the Crystal Skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I really like the score, not his best by any stretch but plenty to enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,370 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I really like this score, but I don't really look forward to any specific cues like I do with the other 3. That said, what makes me enjoy this score is simply the nostalgia of the return of Indy back in 2008. The anticipation of KOTCS and the months leading up to it were so great as an Indy fan. Even if the film was a slight letdown, I still enjoyed it a lot. But yeah, any time i throw on KOTCS to listen to, it brings back those good memories. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I sort of enjoyed the film as a cinematic experience - I went the whole way with a coke and popcorn - but ultimately felt a bit let down by it, and certainly the ending with the flying saucer had me open mouthed, not in a good way. It didn't help that I was desperate for a pee by that point crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The movie is an abomination, one of the worst Williams ever scored. The score is... okay, I guess. Some parts are great, others are a little boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,472 Posted October 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2021 I always loved that movie from the start, well except the CGI scenes... the ants... the monkeys... but I was not shocked to see Indiana Jones meeting Aliens... I mean after the Ark of The Covenant, Sankara Magic Stones and the Holy Grail... Aliens keeped in secret in Area 51... that was just logical! And be prepared, the next movie will feature Indy traveling through time... like I was expecting... many years ago (read my old posts)... Bellosh, Disco Stu and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yeah that movie's got some real highlights to it for sure, hardly an abomination. Far far from perfect, some real iffy decisions made, but I have a good time every time I rewatch it. Bellosh and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 For some movies I admit, I have lost my childhood heart... but when it's about Indiana Jones I always find it again. It pulls a trigger... Hard to explain. Now imagine an archaeologist, our Doctor Jones, transported to ancient Rome! I really hope Lucas will have fun to make that movie! Disco Stu and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I always enjoyed KOTCS a lot. Calling it an abomination seems extreme when it’s just a forgettable action flick at worst. I know in the world of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, everything either has to be the best thing ever made or the worst thing ever made, but I assure you it is possible to just be mediocre. That said, it is a fucking ugly movie. The color grading looks terrible in sequences like the jungle chase and highlights the CGI. Love Williams’ score though. “The Jungle Chase” is my favorite Indy action setpiece with “Ants!” not far behind Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: That said, it is a fucking ugly movie. The color grading looks terrible in sequences like the jungle chase and highlights the CGI. It's definitely better on the new 4k blu ray master, but still not great. karelm and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 59 minutes ago, Bespin said: the next movie will feature Indy traveling through time... like I was expecting... many years ago (read my old posts)... The movie itself has already time traveled. It has skipped ahead to 2023--we need to catch up to it--just like the Einstein.* *the dog, not the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,370 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Bespin said: I always loved that movie from the start, well except the CGI scenes... the ants... the monkeys... but I was not shocked to see Indiana Jones meeting Aliens... I mean after the Ark of The Covenant, Sankara Magic Stones and the Holy Grail... Aliens keeped in secret in Area 51... that was just logical! And be prepared, the next movie will feature Indy traveling through time... like I was expecting... many years ago (read my old posts)... Again, the only true issue with the aliens in this film is the implication that they helped the central and southern American civilizations with agriculture, science, ect ect. It's an actual disgrace to those people and archaeology itself. Lazy storytelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,290 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I'd never considered that angle but you're right. But its greater crime is being such a lousy movie. They got almost every single thing wrong, from the script to the visual style to the awkward humour, the lack of overseas locations, the Looney Tunes cartoon violence, the Rocky and Bullwinkle villains, every single thing about the character Mac... Spielberg's direction shows flashes of brilliance but quickly dissipates during exposition scenes. Williams is really the only person holding things together, much like the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I remember some guy in the front row of the cinema we were in got off his seat and onto his knees, crying with laughter when Marion reveals Mutt is Indy's son. He was rolling around howling. it was really bizarre. My issue with the film is that it really feels like Spielberg and Lucas weren't invested in the film's story and seized the opportunity to bring the franchise back to life when Star Wars was done and dusted (at the time) for nostalgia's sake. Indy was too old and despite some of the quips in the film making light of this, we still see him back in the same costume, doing the same heroic shit. Indy should've taken the role of his father and let Mutt assume the main role like in Last Crusade. Let Indy be the father who eschews time with his son for his archaeological work and Mutt could've been like the young, headstrong adventurer, you know, like the passing of the torch. What worries me about Indiana Jones 5, is that yet again it looks like we're going to see Indy back in the same costume, doing things that a man his age should not be doing all while John Williams' fanfare blares as a geriatric man swings from a whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,290 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just depends on the story I think. The costume isn't the problem, it's how the story deals with his age and embraces it. He still looks fantastic in the costume and it doesn't look out of place in 1960s Italy. Really seems no different to people in westerns wearing the same clothes regardless of their age. But if he's swinging around like Temple of Doom, then yes, it will be more than a little ridiculous. But if he sticks to riding horseback and driving cars, it'll work. I am surprised how action heavy the film appears to be though, so maybe they are aiming for a Temple of Doom-esque popcorn ride to close things off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,323 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 It was said many times. The last act of KotCS is crap. But still the movie overall manages to show the heart and the atmosphere and the humor of the old movies. And that is for me a value in itself. I don't take that for granted. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Bellosh said: Again, the only true issue with the aliens in this film is the implication that they helped the central and southern American civilizations with agriculture, science, ect ect. It's an actual disgrace to those people and archaeology itself. Lazy storytelling. What about the implication that drinking from the Holy Grail can give eternal life? Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Indiana Jones movies are set in a plausible yet cartoonish world. If you didn't understand that, sorry my dear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,370 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Believe me I have no problems with aliens being in the Indiana Jones franchise. But none of the previous movies 'insult' the intelligence of it's group of people/civilizations like that. (Although the temple of doom dinner scene.... might be some slight issues there lol) Look I don't think it was intentional to be insulting, I just think it's lazy "derrr they live deep in a jungle derrrr how else could they figure out agriculture and math derrr...must be aliens?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 22/10/2021 at 6:57 PM, Bellosh said: Again, the only true issue with the aliens in this film is the implication that they helped the central and southern American civilizations with agriculture, science, ect ect. It's an actual disgrace to those people and archaeology itself. Lazy storytelling. It is simply a trope from pop culture about Nazca lines--no different than Stargate's treatment of the Ancient Egyptians and many other sci fi stories. Hell, even Star Trek TNG claims human beings have accomplished what we have because we were seeded by aliens. Its just standard sci-fi storytelling, and that is what they were going for in IV. Bellosh and oierem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,370 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 i don't disagree. just lazy is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I would not call it lazy, just simple and standard. In fact, I would say the first three have similarly simple and standard stories (straight out of the 30's), they were just executed so much better. IJ should not be boring, yet IV is, and for horrifically long stretches--the laziness is in its execution. While we might differ on premises, I think we share the same conclusion about the movie. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,370 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 i actually really enjoy the movie, with all the issues aside. the good outweighs the bad for me. i know it's shit at times, but i don't care. but i'm also someone, who at times, enjoys the young indy series more than the movies...although might not be a fair comparison due the vast difference. 35 minutes ago, Tom said: the laziness is in its execution. i mean that's essentially what i mean when I say lazy. if you're going to back yourself into the 'aliens helped an ancient civilization trope' i'm not sure what purpose they can serve on screen besides leaving and killing the villain (which was super boring), like how the macguffins always do. anything involving aliens coming to earth (if not completely pulpy), should involve some suspense and mystery and it really lacked that in this movie. nobody gave a shit by the time they reached the temple with the aliens. it didn't have any suspense and not enough pulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,323 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Bellosh said: Look I don't think it was intentional to be insulting, I just think it's lazy "derrr they live deep in a jungle derrrr how else could they figure out agriculture and math derrr...must be aliens?!" This actually nothing Lucas made up. That is a theory that those alien worshipping pseudo scientists like Erich von Dänecken made up as proof that aliens pushed our civilization. And that the bizzare icon statues of ancient cultures were just imitations of their"Masters" who gave them their knowledge. Picking up these theories in the movie made sense to me because Dänecken developed them in the early 70s or even late 60s. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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