geom_00 36 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I am not sure if I should start a new topic here, or put this under Upcoming Movie, but here goes: Bradley Cooper is staring in and directing a film about Leonard Bernstein. Steven Spielberg is a producer. This film, *I* feel at least NEEDS to have Williams do some composing for it. Considering how close the two were, who do you think could play Williams? Here is a synopsis according to IMDB: The complex love of Leonard and Felicia, from the time they met in 1946 at a party and continuing through two engagements, a 25 year marriage, and three children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think the chances of Williams composing anything for this are pretty slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Me too. A composer biopic is going to be scored with the composer's music through and through. There simply isn't place for a score. See Amadeus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The failure of WSS doesn't bode well for this one. But, I'm excited for it. Hope it is good but Cooper doesn't inspire confidence. On 21/05/2018 at 8:32 AM, Thor said: How is Bernstein's life more exciting? Are you joking?😗 Toby Jones is starring on one of the versions. 😄😅😜😛😊 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Bradley Cooper Confirms ‘Maestro’ Starts Filming in May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 12/01/2022 at 11:48 AM, geom_00 said: Considering how close the two were, who do you think could play Williams? I think they had a nice professional relationship, but I've never read anything to suggest they were especially close on a personal level. Happy to be proven wrong on that, though. The real question for me obviously is: who will play Copland?! Inarguably Copland was one of the most important and consequential relationships of Bernstein's life, both personally and professionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The press materials state the focus is on his marriage. Don't know if his homosexual affairs will be dramatized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: The press materials state the focus is on his marriage. Don't know if his homosexual affairs will be dramatized Obviously Copland doesn't have to be a character in it, but he and Bernstein's relationship was far more than just a homosexual affair, a fling. That was just one aspect of their relationship, and even that for a very brief period of their 50 year friendship. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Inarguably Copland was one of the most important and consequential relationships of Bernstein's life, both personally and professionally. I didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Two Gay Jews😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Wow, Cooper really does look just like Bernstein. Amazing work from the crew Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 That looks very good. That last picture of Cooper as Bernstein is insane. The hair/make-up department did an excellent job. I had to look really hard to some of Cooper in there. It's his eyes that finally gave it away, but that is just truly fantastic make-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Lit On 25/01/2022 at 2:25 PM, Stu said: The real question for me obviously is: who will play Copland?! Oh maaaaaan, if they're going this all-out with the makeup/prosthetics now I really wanna know if Copland will be a character or not, even if only a minor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Not another movie with gay characters on Netflix... com'on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted May 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2022 Another of Cooper as old Lenny When I saw these at first glance I really thought someone was just posting pictures of Bernstein. Will be interesting to hear his voice work. Naïve Old Fart, Cerebral Cortex and Muad'Dib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 On 12/01/2022 at 7:46 PM, bruce marshall said: Toby Jones is starring on one of the versions. 😄😅😜😛😊 Agreed. He's just about the best British actor alive. In fact, I can't think of a better one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Not Generation Z. Will flop. People didn't even want to see West Side Story. Netflix is throwing away money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,475 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 A gay man who lived a married life with a wife and kids - I’m interested in this because it was more common than we might think. My grandfather on my dad's side had a respectable job in government and was a gay man. He was married for over 50 years to the same wife, with whom he had 4 children. During a time when people lived to "maintain appearances," they might have been preserving appearances outwardly, but at what personal cost? My grandmother once asked my father to hide her husband’s shoes so he wouldn't go out at night. Sometimes he would return home drunk and accompanied – it was a challenging childhood. Certainly, Leonard Bernstein was far more multifaceted than merely being a gay man who got married. In any case, it's an intriguing topic, and I hope that today, people are able to live their lives authentically without concealing their true selves or resorting to deception with their loved ones. Gabriel Bezerra, MikeH, Smeltington and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 From what I know, he did enjoy sexual relations with women in his youth. As he got older , samesex relations became exclusive. With some men, it's the opposite. Doesn't mean you can categorize them as closeted gay men. Artistic souls, lacking socially imposed inhibitions, often fool around with anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I don't like Lenny. He said some bizarre things, like apparently how European classical/romantic music is bad and that American classical movements should move away from it. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 That’s a gross simplification and misinterpretation of his views. Goodness knows he championed so much European music over his career, most notably he nearly single-handedly forced Mahler symphonies into the accepted canon. Drew and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 There's also a video of him taking an opera symphony way too fast on purpose, to the detriment of the singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Drew said: There's also a video of him taking an opera symphony way too fast on purpose, to the detriment of the singer. Ah yes that's with the great Christa Ludwig. This video is very funny, but not intended to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 American classical music needs a personality like Lenny who will lift modern classical music out of its current unlistenable avant-garde experimental hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Drew said: American classical music needs a personality like Lenny who will lift modern classical music out of its current unlistenable avant-garde experimental hell. Modern classical is still " unlistenable, avant!- garde...hell"? I think you've been away for awhile😅 27 minutes ago, Stu said: That’s a gross simplification and misinterpretation of his views. Goodness knows he championed so much European music over his career, most notably he nearly single-handedly forced Mahler symphonies into the accepted canon. Plus he was correct in encouraging American composers to find their own voice. Practically every nation had the same philosophy. Drew is " misinformed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Modern classical is still " unlistenable, avant!- garde...hell"? I think you've been away for awhile😅 Just look up which classical composers are winning awards here and there. I dislike much of the music I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I know nothing about awards. But, the unlistenable drek that used to pollute our concert halls is pretty much history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 A question for those who know Leonard Bernstein well. What will be the angle, the message of this series about his life? What is important to emphasize about his life in such a biopic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bespin said: A question for those who know Leonard Bernstein well. What will be the angle, the message of this series about his life? What is important to emphasize about his life in such a biopic? Well.... he was not only the last of his kind but one of a kind. He revolutionized theater with WSS and He was a huge celebrity who used his fame to advance the art of concert music. He also transcended the classical and popular worlds like no other musician of the twentieth century , e.g. he championed rock music as worthy of serious discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Copland and Lenny Bespin and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 © Ruth Orkin, Tanglewood, MA, 1949; (Left to right) Olivier Messiaen, Serge Koussevitzky, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Lukas Foss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Bespin said: © Ruth Orkin, Tanglewood, MA, 1949; (Left to right) Olivier Messiaen, Serge Koussevitzky, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Lukas Foss All Jews!😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 On 05/06/2022 at 10:08 PM, Bespin said: A question for those who know Leonard Bernstein well. What will be the angle, the message of this series about his life? What is important to emphasize about his life in such a biopic? No Leonard Bernstein expert on the forum? OK, then, some music while waiting for an expert to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Did you not read my reply , Bes?!😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 You didn't answer his question. My guess is the movie will emphasize the complicated family dynamic that Jamie Bernstein wrote a memoir about. https://www.amazon.com/Famous-Father-Girl-Growing-Bernstein/dp/0062641352 Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 I answered his question about why he is important. How would anyone know what the film will emphasize until it comes out? 9 minutes ago, Stu said: You didn't answer his question. My GUESS is the movie will emphasize the complicated family dynamic that Jamie Bernstein wrote a memoir about. https://www.amazon.com/Famous-Father-Girl-Growing-Bernstein/dp/0062641352 That sounds like a boring film to me. 😒 Like that biopic about Mussolini which focused on.HIS family!😵 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: That sounds like a boring film to me.😒 Oh I've never once entertained the notion that this movie will be good. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 I just watched NIGHTMARE ALLEY which starred Cooper. Believe it or not, I think this is the first film I've seen with him ( at least in a lead role)! Facially he looks enough.like him to be convincing. However, he's much taller. Then again, Phillip Hoffman was much taller than Truman Capote and that turned out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 06/06/2022 at 6:02 AM, bruce marshall said: All Jews!😄 Don't think so. Olivier Messiaen was a Roman Catholic, which is about as far away from Judaism, as you can get. TRANSFIGURATION DE NOTRE SEIGNEUR JÉSUS-CHRIST. You won't find that in the Talmud. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Don't think so. Olivier Messiaen was a Roman Catholic, which is about as far away from Judaism, as you can get. Well, calling it THAT far…. Half our bible is shared, you know. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Ok stop this now before this thread is closed. I think we wanted to highlight the fact that Bernstein done much to democratize classical music in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 My favourite Bernstein moments are all in that West Side Story album recording session with Jose Carreras, when he becomes more and more exasperated with Carreras’ inability to sing the correct rhythm. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Don't think so. Olivier Messiaen was a Roman Catholic, which is about as far away from Judaism, as you can get. TRANSFIGURATION DE NOTRE SEIGNEUR JÉSUS-CHRIST. You won't find that in the Talmud. Yeah. I always confuse him with Darius Milhaud, Jew!😄 2 hours ago, Alex said: My favourite Bernstein moments are all in that West Side Story album recording session with Jose Carreras, when he becomes more and more exasperated with Carreras’ inability to sing the correct rhythm. Opera singers don't do Salsa!😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 11 hours ago, bruce marshall said: I just watched NIGHTMARE ALLEY which starred Cooper. Believe it or not, I think this is the first film I've seen with him ( at least in a lead role)! So the first movie you watched with him as a protagonist was also the first that he shows his dick on screen. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: So the first movie you watched with him as a protagonist was also the first that he shows his dick on screen. Partial butt, no phallus Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted August 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2023 This looks great! karelm, Tydirium, Bayesian and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted August 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2023 I don't understand why they cast Bradley Cooper as Bernstein for half of the film and apparently Bernstein himself for the other half. iamleyeti, Gabriel Bezerra and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,364 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Good heavens, that's Sally Sparrow from Doctor Who! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Good heavens, that's Sally Sparrow from Doctor Who! So that's where she ended up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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