Josh500 1,616 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 So far, which do you prefer? For me, there's no question. I love all Star Wars scores, but I grew up with the prequel scores. They're my number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 295 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 TPM & ROTS > TFA & TLJ > AOTC (I voted Prequel scores) Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 5,139 Posted March 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2018 IX will swing the balance in the final analysis. TPM is better than TFA, but TLJ is better than ATOC. In terms of movies, the prequels are interesting stories poorly executed, while the sequels are boring stories well executed in VII and blandly executed in VIII. Josh500, Chewy and Mitth'raw'nuorodo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,616 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 The prequel scores have an almost mythical quality and appeal to me. I find them endlessly listenable, fascinating, and masterful. I spent many, many hundreds of hours in my youth listening to those.... And I still listen to them today. The sequel scores, as great as they are, just can't compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,739 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 ROTS > TFA > TPM > AOTC > TLJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 TPM > TFA > TLJ > ROTS > AOTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,899 Posted March 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2018 Without ranking specific scores and without IX yet, the prequels are better scores but the sequels are far better films. TPM is a very special score. It has a richness, a complexity, a delicate touch, and a bombastic energy that no Star Wars score has matched since. AOTC is a far lesser score but with a killer new theme. I find TLJ lacking from this particular perspective. TFA is a lot of fun and I love all the new themes and how deftly JW mixes them into the existing SW musical landscape. I think IX will decide how I feel about the sequel trilogy as a whole. ROTS is a score with some really rich passages but the new main theme is event specific and a lot of the music sounds like first pass stuff without the refinement I hear in TPM. Smeltington, Arpy and Josh500 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 AOTC > Every other score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 562 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 TLJ > TFA > ROTS > TPM > AOTC Sequel wins. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,237 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'd place TPM before ROTS, maybe even before TFA on some days, but yeah, that's pretty much my order too. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,834 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Prequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 218 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 just... this. I voted for prequels. justaguy and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,680 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I love the thequel thcoreth. The theme for Rey ith played at every feminitht gathering at my camputh. bollemanneke and Kasey Kockroach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,393 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Josh500 said: The prequel scores have an almost mythical quality and appeal to me. I find them endlessly listenable, fascinating, and masterful. I spent many, many hundreds of hours in my youth listening to those.... And I still listen to them today. The sequel scores, as great as they are, just can't compete. No wonder, they were from the composer's most fascinating phase. Josh500 and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,521 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 The prequel scores are probably more stylistically daring and exciting than the sequel ones...but I never had that much of an emotional attachment to them. Took me many listens to start appreciating AOTC and ROTS. The sequel scores are safer and less experimental but I had an instant reaction to them. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,616 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Brundlefly said: No wonder, they were from the composer's most fascinating phase. Not sure whether this was JW's "most fascinating phase," but when these scores were written I myself was lucky to be at the most impressionable phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,380 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 The Prequels. And it's no contest. The Illustrious Jerry and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Rey's theme honestly has my affection more than anything in the prequel scores, but beyond that, the prequel scores are way more consistently entertaining. ...though I'd still take Last Starfighter any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,426 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Not wanting to split hairs, but...I prefer to wait until compete scores of Episodes I-III, and Episodes VII-IX are available, until I make any final decision. Right now, however, I'd say that, although Episode I is my current favourite, Episodes VII and VIII seem to be, stylistically speaking, closer to to the original trilogy, than Episodes I-III. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,616 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Richard said: Not wanting to split hairs, but...I prefer to wait until compete scores of Episodes I-III, and Episodes VII-IX are available, until I make any final decision. Sure, same here. And that's why I wrote in my original post "so far"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,426 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I know you did, and that's why, I wrote "right now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,767 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Sequels, anytime. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I don't quite like TPM or AOTC because majority of them don't have TOO many notable bits. ROTS is the only that gets some love in this face off from me. TFA and TLJ are similar, but the more I listen the more I realize they are so different, even thought they use the same themes a lot, they use them in new and exciting ways. I don't know. I hate talking about which Star Wars score is better and that stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,767 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Release an expanded boxset called "John Williams - The Star Wars Prequels Collection" and I may change my mind... who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: Release an expanded boxset called "John Williams - The Star Wars Prequels Collection" and I may change my mind... who knows? It truly would change everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,358 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: The Prequels. And it's no contest. Indeed. Different leagues altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Rogue One. Was trying to come up with a silly wisecrack about Giacchino's Rogue One to post here, but couldn't think of anything clever or witty. Then I realized "really, just say Rogue One and that in of itself is the joke. That's where we're at, people". bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,426 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Here's a silly wisecrack: BUGGER ROGUE ONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Roach One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,393 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: It truly would change everything. The C&C of AotC would change a lot of people's mind. 2 hours ago, Richard said: Right now, however, I'd say that, although Episode I is my current favourite, Episodes VII and VIII seem to be, stylistically speaking, closer to to the original trilogy, than Episodes I-III. So what? 6 hours ago, Josh500 said: Not sure whether this was JW's "most fascinating phase," but when these scores were written I myself was lucky to be at the most impressionable phase. Well, not necessarily the best phase, but maybe the most divergent and therefore rather fascinating phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 195 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3v2 is a little lopsided. If we're talking TPM and AOTC vs TFA and TLJ, it's definitely the latter. TPM and TFA are about on par, but TLJ is soooo much better than AOTC. Considering it's also better than ROTS, I'm going to say sequels. Unless IX is shit, I doubt this will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The C&C of AotC would change a lot of people's mind. I've made an intended C&C of AOTC and it definitely has changed my mind. Yes it's not the strongest Prequel score but it's pretty damn good. Falstaft and Balahkay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 295 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Roach One. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,237 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 A truly complete intended RotS will probably change my mind about it, but I've only ever listened to a C&C-style AotC, and I still think it's the weakest Star Wars score. It's meandering, bland, when there are thematic elements, they are the two now themes, neither of which do I like (Across the Stars can work for me in small, low, dark segments, but to the big sweeping statements I just have no emotional reaction at all, so they're just kinda there, and that goddamn Separatist motif... It has no personality, and every single appearance of it might as well be tracked, it's just stated over and over and over again with no orchestration changes or progression (playing it all again in a slightly higher pitch doesn't count as progression), it's almost infuriating), the action scenes have some cool ideas in them but not too greatly executed, and don't even have proper endings, they just slowly dissolve into more bland underscore. But I guess Johnny really had nothing good to work with in that unwatchable pile of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,623 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Casual audiences won’t be able to recall the separatist motif at all, so they’ll be left just with Across the Stars. Ideally, you’d want two memorable themes to play off of each other, e.g. The Imperial March and Leia’s love theme in Empire Strikes Back; otherwise, you’re left with just one theme which cannot help but become tired. But, to me, the caliber of that theme still makes that score more accessible, especially to wider audiences watching the film and for that I will say it is the better score, and rank the two sequel scores as the least of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,426 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, MrScratch said: That's living, alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,169 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: Ideally, you’d want two memorable themes to play off of each other, e.g. The Imperial March and Leia’s love theme in Empire Strikes Back No. There is another. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,623 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Oh sure, Yoda! But it’s a theme that only really pops up well into the second act, whereas those two themes appear through the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,680 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I don't believe Williams composed a love theme for ESB, did he? Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,164 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 He didn't, it's Han's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted March 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2018 The only love theme Williams composed for ESB is the droids motif. Chen G., Smeltington, DarthDementous and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The only love theme composed for ESB was for Yoda and the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,593 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Sequel scores! Why is AOTC generally disliked here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 This is the only love theme for Star Wars I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,212 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Three vs. two? Unfair!! And the best one still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Happy beeps, guys, happy beeps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 5,300 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Sequel scores! Why is AOTC generally disliked here? It's not disliked, it's just generally considered the weakest of the prequel scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Correct. I mean seriously, can anyone think of three, maybe four tracks superior to Duel of the Fates, Battle of the Heroes, Padmes Ruminations, The Flag Parade, or anything else good from ROTS and TPM. Not really. Zam the Assasin is breifly nice and ATS is obviously one. But.... Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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